The fact that female characters could be considered 'niche market' is incredibly depressing to think about.Draenys said:
Brink No Girls Allowed!!!!
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The main difference is that CoD MW is about modern day warfare. Weapon are not allowed to be "combat soldiers" in most modern militaries. Certainly not the ones represented in the games. Since most of the time the games are about macho power fantasy in an action-movie-realistic warfare setting it makes sense that you play frontline troops or spec ops.bahumat42 said:
I personally think it'd be both extremely atmospheric and an awesome idea in general to have a female protagonist whose supply convoy gets ambushed. Finally representing the fact that female soldiers actually exist would go a long way towards making the CoD series actually worth it's own existence in my eyes.
Brink however is a sci fi game that focuses heavily on character customization. So really there's no good excuse to not allow female characters.
In the end they are just saying that they couldn't be bothered to take an entire sex into account because they didn't think it would be worth enough money.
Lol, and again:GiantRaven said:
Video games, specifically these genres, are aimed at a predominately teenage boys market. It is a niche intent to try and get sales from female customers.
What you've said more or less equates to finding it sad that make-up needs to be marketed differently at boys, which it does. Gender differences are significant, but not necessarily something to be frowned upon, yo!
Still better than so many games where you don't even get to CHOOSE what your gruff, unshaven white man looks like...
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I'm confused by what you're trying to get across here. Weren't you the one throwing a 'hissy'?
Expand in simple terms, I am trying to read through the thread but I remain lazy~
Is the '80%' available supposed to be games without a female protag/option to be a female protag? It's oddly more defined at something like 35% male specific and 65% female appearances, due to your opinion being of the 'big titles'. (This is my opinion, we're not really going to achieve any such statistics~)
Seriously? You actually think that? That any male thinks that female characters are 'girly' and only for girls?Draenys said:
I think the lack of female characters in games is definitely something to be frowned upon. Just as the lack of different races and sexualities should also be frowned upon. Diversity is a good thing, even if it doesn't sell (which is what I find depressing).
Videogames shouldn't just be aimed at the teenage boy market, even if they are the biggest audience, if they even are. I've read in multiple places that the average age of 'gamers' is much, much higher. To think that all videogames should be aimed towards that market is stupid.
Hah! I'm a male-to-female transgender, and even I give 'em the thumbs up!
I'm tired of seeing games accomodating gender, races, species and germs all over just for the sake of being politicly correct... This is entertainment, not a government sponsored after-school special!
I'm tired of seeing games accomodating gender, races, species and germs all over just for the sake of being politicly correct... This is entertainment, not a government sponsored after-school special!
Is it really being politically correct? Or is it merely having a wider variety of characters, which most likely makes each individual character more distinctive and interesting?Tenky said:
To be honest, the fact that some people care so much that there aren't playable female characters in this game is even more depressing.GiantRaven said:
As I said in an earlier post, why does it matter? Why does it matter at all?
I am all ears (or eyes, in this case) to consider a good reason to care, but thus far, despite the many pro female character related threads and arguements I've seen I still haven't seen one which makes me care.
Because having ethnic diversity somehow detracts from Duke Nukem in some way? I don't see it myself...Tenky said:
I really don't understand the viewpoint that having diversity in a game is means it is somehow aiming to be 'politically correct' and that is therefore a bad thing.
The female gender isn't exactly a minority in the real world (making up, what, 50% of the population?). Why should they not be adequately represented within videogaming?IBlackKiteI said:
Personally, I just like to see some variety. It's harder to give a shit when you see characters with the same gender/nationality/ethnicity/sexuality etc. over and over. It's nice to see different things, you know? Using the same character archetype repeatedly is going to be more limiting than utilising a wide variety. It also gives people who explicitly want characters like that something to look forward to (but I guess they don't matter because they aren't the core demographic).
Who's thoughts are you quoting here? I don't believe I specified that all games where aimed at this market, but Brink surely is.GiantRaven said:
What sort of a market do you think I'm advocating here? I don't believe I argued that female characters were 'girly' and only for girls, I merely stated that the specific game that a lot of Brink brother games are closely trying to follow is TF2. Diversity isn't a good thing, because they're out to make a profit.
The devs shouldn't have to accomodate the diversity-demanding vocal minority, YOU, just because its going to please you. The fact is, they're not trying to please, despite what some fantastic charity drives and other social responsibility / ethics examples might persuade you of. [All of this is opinion. You, for example, thinking that diversity is a good thing exclusively is opinion, as is my belief that it isn't a good thing in this case (see: your use of italics). If it depresses you, then surely you'd not be angered here, but saddened to the point where you don't take statements out of context and put your letters on an angle?]
On the average age of gamers, we need to recognize that the term 'gamer' defines more or less anybody playing games with an electronic device that is marketed to do so (this can include iProducts, despite the main purpose of these often being marketed as music - something which I don't necessarily approve of, but cannot dismiss). When I'm speaking of the audience, don't imagnie I'm doing it in general.
(I really hate the text that appears in this box, it's fairly irritating to try to write a response, I'm new here - if I screwed something up please ignore it la~)
I think the problem is less that you can't be a girl, but that when a game says it has
"advanced player customization [that] offers a near-endless combination of looks for your character - allowing for the appearance of your character to be truly unique"
as well as saying you can
"build a look that fits your method of play, gamer personality, or personal style"
while disallowing roughly half the human population to be represented, is a bit of a lie.
"advanced player customization [that] offers a near-endless combination of looks for your character - allowing for the appearance of your character to be truly unique"
as well as saying you can
"build a look that fits your method of play, gamer personality, or personal style"
while disallowing roughly half the human population to be represented, is a bit of a lie.
the main consumers of videogames are 18-34 year old males i believe, and house wives outnumber young women because of casual gamesGiantRaven said:
theres lots of female characters in genres that are applicable. like i said in a previous post there are so few women front line soldiers that saying "why arnt there more female characters in my fps" is like saying "why arnt there more dog characters in my fps" minus the whole cant pull a trigger problem.
as for minorities, they are MINORities. if you have a room with 1 white person, 1 black, 1 asian, 1 hispanic etc. then it isnt a proper view of society since there r at least 4 white people for every other race in america. So demanding equality is demanding phantasy
My apologies, I was obviously misinterpreting what you were saying.Draenys said:
Why shouldn't they be trying to impress me? I'm a potential customer who, as a 22-year-old male, is roughly in their target demographic. What if the lack of such options turns me off the game (not that it does, I'm still very interested in playing Brink)? How many other people will be turned off in the same fashion. It's probably more than would be turned off if such options were put into the game.
Then I suppose I am angered by the lack of diversity in games, rather than depressed. A poor choice of wording on my part.
Well said with the examples. I'd like to discredit the 18-34 people being part of the market, as most males over the age of 25 are probably out of the shooter market bar nostalgia (a certain game comes to mind), and when we're marketing games we most certainly do NOT look at the majority of gamers, but of the majority of the intended demographic that will, hopefully, buy and enjoy (-> more sales) the game.Lunaras13 said:
Fantasy*
You're the MINORITY. Of all the 22-year-old males I know, I don't believe any more than 5% of them are inclined to argue this point in your manner. Furthermore, as you said,how many would be put off by the developers pandering to your cries for diversity? I most certainly wouldn't want to buy a game where I was playing a bulky female or a mexican scientist (now, now, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and these are just examples) I fit the demographic but do not feel the need to say an age that can easily be disputed.GiantRaven said:
I know you didn't state this, but does that mean I don't matter?Draenys said:
Why, exactly? I'm not going to say anything against you, I'm just curious. Why would you limit yourself regarding the characters you could potentially play as?
Heh, nono it's implied, I'm sorry if I come off as overly aggresive.GiantRaven said:
Fact is they're trying to make a sale, and it's easier to apply to the majority. It's misleading in forum discussion and community input, as the ones who have the most to say are generally the vocal minority. For example, despite the personality being an arrogant imbecile, the WoW community's Total Biscuit continually makes an excellent point that its the vocal minority that is changing the game towards a more casual approach.
It's a matter of interest. It's not that I don't enjoy playing as a female character or anything (indeed, of my WoW toons, it's 2/3 of my 85's that are female), but in general a male personality is more applicable to the sort of role I like in my protagonist(s) or floating cameras.
I recognize a point you may stress, though, and I acknowledge its worth. I would never have imagined I'd be interested in the stuff I am now, but it was by dipping my feet in the pool that I developed a fondness for it. This is more of an educated scenario, though, in all the years I've spent gaming I've developed a good idea of what I do, and what I don't like.