Brink : No Girls Allowed

[BigKush]

don play de gam

 

[Justin Gooch]

Being a male, I may have a slight biased opinion on this, but as someone who plays first person shooters a lot, and have played both KoTors, and plenty of other customizable games, I played through once or twice as a male, then once or twice as a female character, just to see how it changed the story line. in a game like brink that has this much customization in it, I don't mind that they only stuck to the male gender, nothing game play wise is going to be changed if you were to have females. I also like the amount of customization you are going to have, now it can also be argued, well have half the customization and have both genders, you could say you would have half, and honestly probably would, because they would just take everything the male gender had to wear, and tweak it to look decent on a female, but on the same note, animations would have had to be redone, yeah maybe slightly, but have the light body type animations the same both male and female, same for medium and heavy. Make the female gender of the game look almost identical to the same body types as the male, and slap on almost the exact same clothes. I would personally as stated just have a game that even just focused on the female gender, and gave me this much customization, it wouldn't phase me one bit that it didn't have any males in it.

 

[Wandrecanada]

Good lord people this kind of thing has to stop now. This whole female character thing has been explained repeatedly by developers in many many games (hell even the Crackdown 2 devs did a huge interview on it). It's an issue of time and money to release games. I agree that it sucks for women to be underrepresented and that should be addressed on the whole in gaming but Brink is not doing it out of laziness or malice towards women.

It's not acceptable to use female protagonist games as examples of non choice either since that's an issue of privilege. Males are culturally dominant at the moment and choices for male characters in games are diverse and large. Please don't cry over it.

What needs to be addressed is developers constant lack of female characters in games. Especially AAA titles. Why is it like that? Well check out Extra Credit because they have a whole episode devoted to explaining the reasons. Surprise! It's statistics...

 

[BigKush]

And if you're into women like that...well...I'm afraid you're the minority.

Generally people don't pick their character based on what they're attracted to. For instance, are you attracted to roided-up men? Do you think most of the player-base for brink will be?

QFT. Don't care if the muscley female makes my diddle dongle, I just don't think it makes sense in most cases.

Captcha: chnicsis seems

I dunno what a chnicsis is.

EDIT: I'm not making sense, stoprequesting? Then you're not using your wee brain.

Haha, I'm just not seeing where your anger here is coming from. I honestly can't think of another time anyone got angry because someone suggested a game would have more flexible customization if it had more customization options.

Huuuuge irony. A bucket of irony for each tit, you could say. I'm not "angry because someone suggested a game would have more flexible customisation if it had more customisation options." And, given this is the internet and these are games.. I'm far from angry at all. Thats your shrew female mind twisting words and concepts.

YOU are angry because someone DIDNT put more flexible customisation into a game and give it more customisation options.

 

[internetzealot1]

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Mens' muscles can reach higher bulk than womens'. That's just a fact.

It is a fact that people cannot fly. It is a fact that magic does not exist in the real world, at least not in the flashy sense we tend to think about. It is a fact that faster than light travel cannot exist for anything that has mass.

None of these facts apply to fiction. Why should "females don't have as much muscle as men"?

Read the rest of my post. Its not just that the women can't be as muscular as the men...its that no one wants to see the women as muscular as the men.

Clearly I would want to see muscular women in games or else I wouldn't be arguing like this.

Maybe you want to see muscular women in games. But you don't want to see muscular women in Brink. Like I've been saying this entire time, they would have to look like Frankenstein; if Frankenstein took steriods and had pillows growing under his skin. And if you're into women like that...well...I'm afraid you're the minority.

you don't want to see muscular woman in Brink, and you're assuming that everyone shares that opinion.

Based on experience, I'm pretty fucking sure that most people find a woman with the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger disturbining. If you don't, fine. But the rest of us don't want to have to bear that while we're playing a video game.

 

[BigKush]

Based on experience, I'm pretty fucking sure that most people find a woman with the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger disturbining. If you don't, fine. But the rest of us don't want to have to bear that while we're playing a video game.

Yeah, fucking right.

 

[Eijarel]

relax, that just means that if they do introduce a female character, is gonna be all the more kick ass, ..like spartan Kelly or something

 

[BigKush]

Lol... I'm just going to take two quotes from what you just posted and let that do the talking for me.

"I'm far from angry"
"Thats your shrew female mind twisting words and concepts"

Do you bathe in irony?

"I'm far from angry ... that's your shrew female mind twisting words and concepts"

Lol... I'm just going to take one quote from what I just posted and let that do the talking for me.

You're mad because you love me, baby. It's natural.

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

I haven't got a problem with that. Maybe it's because I'm a guy, but I don't think I'd be upset if you had to play as a female. This doesn't seem like it's gonna be some sort of RPG. They're saying that the story will be a decent portion of the game, but I don't think the lack of females will detract from it.

And I'm willing to take their excuse of "not having enough time". Adding an entire other body structure (or rather three) along with a new set of clothes to the customization options probably would take alot more than just adding a couple other clothing sets for existing models.

 

[Bonecrusher]

Now spend a few seconds thinking of a girl that big. Sure they exist. Does anybody want to play as that?

Fem!Heavy is credit to thread. Srsly, people, it's like 2011. Women are allowed to have muscles.

thank you captain obvious, we didn't know women could make muscles.

however, people insist on skip one point:
female characters are always more feminine than male characters.

what does this mean? lara croft is a skinny girl even she really works out everyday. you need a muscular arms to keep that condition. but, we see a skinny supermodel lara croft, not a muscular fitness girl.
some games have bulky male characters, but their female counterparts tend to be thinner than them.

so, if we talk about the picture above,
the heavy class is based on a "russian" stereotype: big, muscular, stupid, goon.
that's why he is designed like that. but if you try to make him female, it becomes a forced on character. because it doesn't represent a stereotype. doesn't suits the genre.
but yeah, at the end she is a bulky character. however, she destroys the whole tf2 concept.

some games decide to put female characters in the game, but as i mentioned earlier, they always tend to be weaker, thinner and smaller.
it would be really hard to make a girl character, absolutely same size at that big male character, yet people play it.
yeah, you can keep insist on "no, some people would", it would be a small percentage. (most of the people would go the small body type for the female characters)

 

[BigKush]

however, people insist on skip one point:
female characters are always more feminine than male characters.

what does this mean? lara croft is a skinny girl even she really works out everyday. you need a muscular arms to keep that condition. but, we see a skinny supermodel lara croft, not a muscular fitness girl.
some games have bulky male characters, but their female counterparts tend to be thinner than them.

so, if we talk about the picture above,
the heavy class is based on a "russian" stereotype: big, muscular, stupid, goon.
that's why he is designed like that. but if you try to make him female, it becomes a forced on character. because it doesn't represent a stereotype. doesn't suits the genre.
but yeah, at the end she is a bulky character. however, she destroys the whole tf2 concept.

some games decide to put female characters in the game, but as i mentioned earlier, they always tend to be weaker, thinner and smaller.
it would be really hard to make a girl character, absolutely same size at that big male character, yet people play it.
yeah, you can keep insist on "no, some people would", it would be a small percentage. (most of the people would go the small body type for the female characters)

Exactly the point I've been trying to make.

 

[JMeganSnow]

Any game that offers even the most basic of character customization options, but does not include the option to select your gender, is immediately ignored by me. That's why I have not and will not play the Gothic series.

The Gothic series does not allow you to customize the male main character, either, so your point is invalid. It's basically like playing any game with a predetermined main character.

And geez, how many great games would you miss out on with this policy? Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time. Planescape: Torment. Half-life.

I prefer to play as a female (I ALWAYS play as female if I CAN play female), but a good game trumps this every time.

 

[BigKush]

Any game that offers even the most basic of character customization options, but does not include the option to select your gender, is immediately ignored by me. That's why I have not and will not play the Gothic series.

The Gothic series does not allow you to customize the male main character, either, so your point is invalid. It's basically like playing any game with a predetermined main character.

And geez, how many great games would you miss out on with this policy? Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time. Planescape: Torment. Half-life.

I prefer to play as a female (I ALWAYS play as female if I CAN play female), but a good game trumps this every time.

W..me...a.... you're making sense! Way to back up your gender!

 

[Slycne]

Here's my problem with this. Lots of people are citing female body structure or narrative gender choices, when that isn't the issue here at all. The devs flat out stated that the only reason they didn't include females was to provide more options for the male avatars.

So essentially what they've said is that a couple extra t-shirt models are more important than an whole gender, and that's where I start to get a little worried by the whole thing.

Imagine, if you would, this logic was applied to other scenarios. "Sorry, the rogue class only has half the number of abilities because we found more people played fighters and we wanted to give them more options." People would be rightly a little confused or upset at that, and that's how I think people should be viewing this situation.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I honestly wonder how much more time it would have taken. Essentially you need a new female mesh and textures, Some slightly altered animation (which is optional since you can get away with similar movement under many circumstances), and some female voice work. Then you need to set up some variables for "bFemale" so some such and you're good to go. Maybe they just don't want cooties in their secret club.

 

[BigKush]

Here's my problem with this. Lots of people are citing female body structure or narrative gender choices, when that really isn't the issue here. The devs flat out stated that the only reason they didn't include females was to provide more options for the male avatars.

So essentially what they've said is that a couple extra t-shirt models are more important than an whole gender, and that's where I start to get a little worried by the whole thing.

Imagine, if you would, this logic was applied to other scenarios. "Sorry, the rogue class only has half the number of abilities because we found more people played fighters and we wanted to give them more options." People would be rightly a little confused or upset at that, and that's how I think people should be viewing this situation.

The only reason this IS a 'situation' (as you so cutely called it), is because some lame broad got in a pissy about one game she fell in love with and had her heart broken.

 

[WanderingFool]

Any game that offers even the most basic of character customization options, but does not include the option to select your gender, is immediately ignored by me. That's why I have not and will not play the Gothic series.

The Gothic series does not allow you to customize the male main character, either, so your point is invalid. It's basically like playing any game with a predetermined main character.

And geez, how many great games would you miss out on with this policy? Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time. Planescape: Torment. Half-life.

I prefer to play as a female (I ALWAYS play as female if I CAN play female), but a good game trumps this every time.

I share this opinion (though as a guy, I will sometimes make a female character just to try something different and shake things up.) I always treat cutomization as second to great gameplay. Thus why I cant wait for Brink to come out.

 

[Koroviev]

Given the emphasis on customization, that's a real bummer. For me, it kind of ruins the customization element as I am ambivalent to male appearance. If I'm going to be observing my character during cut scenes, I'd definitely prefer to look at a female.

 

[Justin Gooch]

Here's my problem with this. Lots of people are citing female body structure or narrative gender choices, when that isn't the issue here at all. The devs flat out stated that the only reason they didn't include females was to provide more options for the male avatars.

So essentially what they've said is that a couple extra t-shirt models are more important than an whole gender, and that's where I start to get a little worried by the whole thing.

Imagine, if you would, this logic was applied to other scenarios. "Sorry, the rogue class only has half the number of abilities because we found more people played fighters and we wanted to give them more options." People would be rightly a little confused or upset at that, and that's how I think people should be viewing this situation.

We aren't talking about game breaking mechanics though. If there was a class that had half the abilities of any other class, it's breaking mechanics of the game. Female avatars being in a game isn't going to completely change the mechanics of the game then if they were. Splash simply wanted to have that many more options for the male type. Or they could pull a valve and have everyone bitching and moaning that their DLC is pointless and stupid cause it adds extra clothes.

 

[Ladette]

Here's my problem with this. Lots of people are citing female body structure or narrative gender choices, when that isn't the issue here at all. The devs flat out stated that the only reason they didn't include females was to provide more options for the male avatars.

So essentially what they've said is that a couple extra t-shirt models are more important than an whole gender, and that's where I start to get a little worried by the whole thing.

Imagine, if you would, this logic was applied to other scenarios. "Sorry, the rogue class only has half the number of abilities because we found more people played fighters and we wanted to give them more options." People would be rightly a little confused or upset at that, and that's how I think people should be viewing this situation.

This is what I was attempting to convey in my posts. They basically passed over female characters for more male options.