Brink : No Girls Allowed

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DazBurger

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Jadak said:
TheDarkEricDraven said:
Did Halo have female charecters in IT'S multiplayer? What about Section 8? I don't know why Brink is the upset. Of course, it is a little more jaring since there isn't power armor for everyone. Despite Spartans in Multiplayer looking male, it doesn't take much to imigine one as a girl.
The last one did have females, didn't it? Or was that just the campaign?
Both Halo 3+ODST and Reach has the option of playing female in the multiplayer.
 

Marik Bentusi

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Didn't stop me from wasting hundreds of hours on TF2, won't stop me now. Quality over quantity still applies.
 

KFalcon

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Kukakkau said:
Considering all the characters are pretty burly and have to be for the parkour, I don't want to see female characters in it.

And anyway how does being unable to play as your gender "exclude" you from playing a game? Following that trend only females will have played tomb raider or mirror's edge.
Because apparently leaving a female choice out of an MP game with customization means that they have some prejudice or something of the like against them, and it detracts from the game play somehow.
Funny, CoD: Black Ops has large customisation in MP but nobody mentions that you can't be a female there? same for TF2...And yet there are females playing those games, you know why? because they like the gameplay and they find it FUN. I fail to see how being a female (model) in an MP game has much affect on you playing the game itself and how much you enjoy it.

If there was a game where I had to play as a customisable female and yet it was really fun, then I would still play it. Even if it wasn't a great game but i still liked the way it played I wouldn't say I'm not buying it cos it doesn't have customisable males! sexist!1!1oneone. Honestly I can understand the argument they're making but...

...If you're going to ignore a game for 1 factor it should be the gameplay, not a factor which would be MERELY aesthetic (assuming this is all it is, not affecting abilities, speed etc), and especially when you don't even see your own model for a majority of time as its an FPS game. Some people are just being narrow minded.

Honestly, they've explained the issue, it'll be near half the options on each because of longer work times in both customisable sections as well as any extra costs and time delay on the game being released (it's been in the works for ages now), it's not an excuse its just an explanation.
 

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girls are distracting... well breasts specifically are distracting... it would give you an edge to be using an avatar with perky breasts and skimpy clothing as the hetrosexual male population's reaction time would drop???
 

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Meh...

Winter Voices had a pretty good customization, but no matter what I do my character could never be anything but female.

Planescape:Torment has a decent customization system, but you can't change gender.

Some games allow full character customization, some don't. The fact that you couldn't play a female necromancer didn't stop anyone from going Necro in Diablo 2, did it?
 

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I think its fair to say that if a game has a specific story and character than theres no need to fret about the gender whether they be male or female.....however if a game lets u customize an avatar...then i think its fair to include both genders, unless there is a viable excuse within the storyline as to why only one gender can fullfill this "mission" or "role" etc.....however usually thats not the case, so its probably just pure lazyness by the designers :S
 

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I get the line of reasoning and can't fault the decision. It wuold have been more work for them *shrug*. I?m disappointed yeah and it does to be perfectly honest make me less interested in the game but I?m not pissed off about it. I know that?s shallow but I prefer to play and customise my own gender in MP so they have to work harder to make me want this game than they would have had I been able to play as a female, just the way it is. I'm not going to not play just because I can't play as a female tho if it looks really good. If I only played games where I could be female I would miss out on a lot of great games.
 

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I smell bullshit on this one "Oh its too much effort/time to put females in the game and still have custimisation" .

Funny games like Eve-online,fallout,oblivion,mass effect and so on all managed to have varying levels of cust. options (eves is just silly) and have females.

You cant look me in the eye and tell me that I can totally customise my toon and then neglect to include the one option that represents about %51 of the planetary population...thats kind of the opposite of 'choice' .
 

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I'm fed up of multiplayer sausage-fests.

Team Fortress 2 is I think most conspicuous in the lack of female characters, to the extent that there have been many significant attempts to mod in females character models though nothing ever official.

It wasn't always so and isn't universal, Unreal Tournament always had a good selection of female character models and fighting games have never had this problem, they have to be the most diverse gaming lineups in the industry with such a mix of sexes, races, cultures and employment.

Me thinks that CoD and halo are largely to blame, they seem to think of themselves as much more serious than the fantastical Unreal games and stick strongly to the modern hegemony that warfighting is a male occupation.

While that may be accurate for today it isn't very interesting.

Though halo has eased up lately, CoD has not. Even though the first 2 CoD games had female soviet soldiers, they were just as expendable NPCs. No female soldiers seen in World at War.
 

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CardinalPiggles said:
imagine a female heavy :S that doesnt really fit.


Wow, a fat woman. How does that "not fit"?

I don't know if you intended it but it really does come across that you find it OK for a guy to be big, fat and strong but women would be well...

:S

I'd only get that problem if I tried to see her in a sexual way, but to spite cultural perceptions it does not help to look at all women in terms of sexual appeal. Imagine if every woman saw Heavy in that way... very few women would like him to spite his inherent appeal as a character.
 

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Uh... some of these answers bother me.

You'll ignore a game immediately if it doesn't include gender choice?

It seems a little petty.
 

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I don't really care.

As long as being male makes some kind of sense, that female would not.
 

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The way I see it is that if they simply can't afford/don't have the time for it then I'm not going to go off on them, but I'm still going to be dissapointed.

If Brink is successful and they put Female avatars in through DLC or a sequal then all is forgiven(by me) but if they make a sequal and do it again then fuck those guys.

Is it a big deal? Kinda.
Do folks have the right to be pissed? Absolutely.

I don't think that they were being deliberately sexist, but the fact that they clearly considered male cutomization to be more important than having female avatars is a clear sign that we don't have true gendar equality yet.

Off-topic: WTF?
That one guy makes post after insulting post for about six pages, insulting many users directly, multiple times based on gendar and gets a three day suspension, yet I make a single less than sereous insult during an otherwise uninsulting freindly post and I get banned for a week?!

Fuck this site man, fuck this site.
 

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Duskflamer said:
TheDarkEricDraven said:
Does Halo have female charecters in ITS multiplayer? What about Section 8? I don't know why Brink is the upset. Of course, it is a little more jaring since there isn't power armor for everyone. Despite Spartans in Multiplayer looking male, it doesn't take much to imigine one as a girl.
Brink is the upset because, aside from forcing your character to be male, it has a very robust character customization aspect. The fact that it put so much focus into character customization, yet forced your character to be a guy, makes the issue (which is still present in other shooters mind you) more obvious.

Imagine if Bioware came out with a new RPG with their standard level of customization, but decided that your character had to be a girl, how do you think people would react? It's the same issue here.
No, it's not. Mass Effect is centered around creating your own Shepard, and making his or her choices throughout their journey. You develop your character's personality and characteristics along the way. In a game like Brink where the personality of your character is absent and customization is purely aesthetic, adding in the feature to play as a girl would be completely pointless.

Edit: And as previously mentioned, Splash Damage's view is that you could either have a robust customization option that's better to play with, or a shallow customization option that's slightly better to look at. I'd much rather go for the one that serves gameplay.
 

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thats actually kind of disappointing, I was looking forward to seeing what options you had with women.

no faith clones then haha
 

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
Did Halo have female charecters in IT'S multiplayer? What about Section 8? I don't know why Brink is the upset. Of course, it is a little more jaring since there isn't power armor for everyone. Despite Spartans in Multiplayer looking male, it doesn't take much to imigine one as a girl.
Yes.

You can change your voice to female in Halo.

Section 8 wasn't that big of a game, so it largely avoided public view.
 

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well in the most halo games u could actually choose ur gender (i think only halo2 didnt have that option). even though it didnt show much because, well, powerarmor, ur character had a female voice. section 8, didnt have any visual customization, but ur voice allways was male.

IMO girls should allways be an option customization. giving a player the option of suiting they're avatar to there taste or real apereance but then ditching of the most of the female community is plain bad.
 

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Duskflamer said:
TheDarkEricDraven said:
Does Halo have female charecters in ITS multiplayer? What about Section 8? I don't know why Brink is the upset. Of course, it is a little more jaring since there isn't power armor for everyone. Despite Spartans in Multiplayer looking male, it doesn't take much to imigine one as a girl.
Brink is the upset because, aside from forcing your character to be male, it has a very robust character customization aspect. The fact that it put so much focus into character customization, yet forced your character to be a guy, makes the issue (which is still present in other shooters mind you) more obvious.

Imagine if Bioware came out with a new RPG with their standard level of customization, but decided that your character had to be a girl, how do you think people would react? It's the same issue here.
I tend to play as a girl in bioware games anyway, but i suppose the thread is about options. And on that point you have one.
 

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-sigh- I thought this flamewar died a year ago...

I'm glad actually, that way there won't be billions of screenshots of female characters asses.