Brink : No Girls Allowed

[Farseer Lolotea]

You're really in no position to be getting all defensive and rude. After all, you're the one who came in here with a 'tude and boasted of your alleged expertise.

P.S.: Jargon proves jack. And when it's backed up with insults, it proves less than jack.

 

[Treblaine]

Is there an explanation in the narrative of the game? I thought the setting was kind of a giant floating prison, which is male only could be wrong shall google it.

But if that is the case having female characters is plain wrong. Also the first two Gears games managed to make headway without female characters. To be fair I would play a sentient lump of Tofu if the game was good!

Resident Evil 2 is a good game. And yes, that is a sentient lump of tofu.

Turns out those zombies are vegan.

 

[Treblaine]

-"No tits to stare at, im sorry but im not going to give your game the time of day"-complainers

I think the problem here is most of the defenders of this ass game aren't thinking of women as "women" they are thinking of women in the terms of "thing I would want to fuck." They don't mind things they would want to fuck not being in the game, and can see it in no other terms aside from that.

If it is "thing I would want to fuck"... why would I want to look like that?

Fact: I want to look like a woman in a game simply because I want to look like a woman, for the sheer aesthetics of it. Call it artistic vision, but don't dismiss it as lechery.

 

[C117]

Well, I suppose they could always release the possibility to play as a female in some DLC, together with a brand new campaign titled "The Amazons" or something.

I'm serious you know. I can't really see the point of NOT including females in a game with so much focus on customization.

 

[zeldagirl]

As a new person to the forums, I have to say, this topic is horrendous enough to make me want to leave. The blatant sexism from many male members, and the internalized misogyny of some of the women, just makes me really uncomfortable.

But I have to say, to Farseer Lolotea - you are freaking awesome. I really admire your courage, to be taking on this many individuals who just DON'T GET what it feels like to be marginalized by the gaming industry because of stupid behaviors like this on the part of Brink's. Thank you for standing up for women who care about games, and want to see the existence of our gender acknowledged.

And thank you randomfox and MasterV - it's great to see awesome male allies who can see through the bull as well. You and a few other awesome users are pretty much the only reason why I'm convincing myself to stay at the Escapist and not run for the hills.


Keep on keepin' on.

 

[GrandmaFunk]

You're really in no position to be getting all defensive and rude. After all, you're the one who came in here with a 'tude and boasted of your alleged expertise.

P.S.: Jargon proves jack. And when it's backed up with insults, it proves less than jack.

the weakest of cop-outs

 

[Super Happy Cow]

You're really in no position to be getting all defensive and rude. After all, you're the one who came in here with a 'tude and boasted of your alleged expertise.

P.S.: Jargon proves jack. And when it's backed up with insults, it proves less than jack.

Actually, I didn't. I mentioned my skills. You implied that I was dishonest. You subsequently failed to provide a decent argument and pretended that I was "boasting."

Like I said. Dishonest.

 

[Super Happy Cow]

As a new person to the forums, I have to say, this topic is horrendous enough to make me want to leave. The blatant sexism from many male members, and the internalized misogyny of some of the women, just makes me really uncomfortable.

But I have to say, to Farseer Lolotea - you are freaking awesome. I really admire your courage, to be taking on this many individuals who just DON'T GET what it feels like to be marginalized by the gaming industry because of stupid behaviors like this on the part of Brink's. Thank you for standing up for women who care about games, and want to see the existence of our gender acknowledged.

And thank you randomfox and MasterV - it's great to see awesome male allies who can see through the bull as well. You and a few other awesome users are pretty much the only reason why I'm convincing myself to stay at the Escapist and not run for the hills.


Keep on keepin' on.

I'm almost certain that 90 percent of forum posters cannot read, by now. I am going to go.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Go ahead. Explain to me the first steps you would take in developing a pipeline that would facilitate the streamlining of the character creation process that would result in 24 distinct looking characters, 3 bodytypes, and both sexes, All within 2 UV spaces maximum, for the base models, and give me an estimate of how long that would take.

Body armor. See also: Halo Reach, real life. Alternately, I'd transfer some of my budget from clothing to character design. Or, I could choose the more interesting option in the context of the industry and have the characters be all female vs. all male.

And re: the rest of the post, no one is disputing that Splash Damage made the safer choice. It's just not the most interesting or progressive choice they could have made.

 

[Kahunaburger]

As a new person to the forums, I have to say, this topic is horrendous enough to make me want to leave. The blatant sexism from many male members, and the internalized misogyny of some of the women, just makes me really uncomfortable.

But I have to say, to Farseer Lolotea - you are freaking awesome. I really admire your courage, to be taking on this many individuals who just DON'T GET what it feels like to be marginalized by the gaming industry because of stupid behaviors like this on the part of Brink's. Thank you for standing up for women who care about games, and want to see the existence of our gender acknowledged.

And thank you randomfox and MasterV - it's great to see awesome male allies who can see through the bull as well. You and a few other awesome users are pretty much the only reason why I'm convincing myself to stay at the Escapist and not run for the hills.


Keep on keepin' on.

Don't let threads like this turn you off the forum as a whole - most people here seem very reasonable, but some topics just seem to bring the misogynists out of the woodwork for some reason.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

Did Halo have female charecters in IT'S multiplayer? What about Section 8? I don't know why Brink is the upset. Of course, it is a little more jaring since there isn't power armor for everyone. Despite Spartans in Multiplayer looking male, it doesn't take much to imigine one as a girl.

I apologize if this has been said before, but yea. You can be a female Spartan in Halo 3.

 

[zeldagirl]

As a new person to the forums, I have to say, this topic is horrendous enough to make me want to leave. The blatant sexism from many male members, and the internalized misogyny of some of the women, just makes me really uncomfortable.

But I have to say, to Farseer Lolotea - you are freaking awesome. I really admire your courage, to be taking on this many individuals who just DON'T GET what it feels like to be marginalized by the gaming industry because of stupid behaviors like this on the part of Brink's. Thank you for standing up for women who care about games, and want to see the existence of our gender acknowledged.

And thank you randomfox and MasterV - it's great to see awesome male allies who can see through the bull as well. You and a few other awesome users are pretty much the only reason why I'm convincing myself to stay at the Escapist and not run for the hills.


Keep on keepin' on.

Don't let threads like this turn you off the forum as a whole - most people here seem very reasonable, but some topics just seem to bring the misogynists out of the woodwork for some reason.

I'm trying to remember that. Apparently, I keep getting drawn into topics where there is some sort of debate about women or feminism. Make it stoppppp!!


I won't leave, yet. There are some very nice people here.

 

[Super Happy Cow]

Go ahead. Explain to me the first steps you would take in developing a pipeline that would facilitate the streamlining of the character creation process that would result in 24 distinct looking characters, 3 bodytypes, and both sexes, All within 2 UV spaces maximum, for the base models, and give me an estimate of how long that would take.

Body armor. See also: Halo Reach, real life. Alternately, I'd transfer some of my budget from clothing to character design. Or, I could choose the more interesting option in the context of the industry and have the characters be all female vs. all male.

Thats...not a 3D pipeline. But the male vs female thing would have been an interesting idea. I wonder if they tossed that one around.

 

[Chiasm]

Resident Evil 2 is a good game. And yes, that is a sentient lump of tofu.

Turns out those zombies are vegan.

Wow that brings back good memories, In fact I am willing to settle for the loss of female characters if we can trade them for Tofu or vegetable inspired characters.

In fact maybe then the developers can try to figure out how to make a sex symbol with Tofu Amazon Warriors.

 

[Lord Honk]

Ok, so we can haz either completely uncustomizable games like, say, StarCraft, which sell like topmodels wearing pudding bikinis, or games that try to accomodate as many options as they a)think neccessary b)have the time to put in the game and c)don't forget about, which gets measured not by the multitude of options it has, but by those it is lacking.

Honestly, I couldn't care less if Brink was as customizable as Counter Strike. I just don't understand why having a female skin in a shooter is the most important thing to complain about, when the game has enough inherent flaws to latch on to.

And I'll just throw in my sexist comment of the day: Why would a male leadership let the more important (for breeding purposes) gender be killed in battle?

 

[Super Happy Cow]

Really, people need to learn how to read.

People are pissed because apparently SD made a big to-do about customization (aside from 1 video, I wasn't really aware of this), but the game does not have females. It's actually a perfectly logical point. Females aren't essential in games, but they become important when your game boasts customization of characters.

The other side of the issue that everyone seems to ignore, is that having females in the game automatically doubles the costs of paying the artists involved, while SD is not a huge studio. They only sold 1 game that was relatively massive, and released a completely free, full title before that. Pretending that a game company has enough resources to produce all of these assets, and magically pay artists, is the same reason that companies have to lay off artists every year, and why the industry is so unstable. On the other hand, expecting it after they apparently say they can, is an entirely different story. : P

 

[Lord Honk]

*le snip*

People seem to be intentionally ignoring the point on purpose now. It WOULDN'T Be a big deal in Brink if they hadn't jacked off in the communities face about how customizable their game is. Counter Strike didn't make such a claim, no other game did (and they are all the better for it, because frankly I am starting to get confused as to why a first person shooter cares so much about stuff like customizable character models) but Brink did. Not including the most basic option in all of character customization, especually when they are basing their marketing of the game on it, is hypocritical. Hypocrisy from these people should not be allowed to slide, and you are intentionally blind if you think otherwise.

And on the second point, two things: why are you assuming the leadership is male, and what history class did you flunk to think a rebellion force would exclude people willing to fight for their cause just because they have vaginas? No self respecting resistance would do that, and any that do wouldn't last a week against an organized armed force that obviously outnumbers them, because they were too stupid to take every able bodies person who volunteered.

Here's an example of a game that boasted with customizability, did the lack of women really make a difference?
And to get back on my second point: If you were part of a faction that put the potential future of it's people at risk for the sake of a larger force, would you not disagree with their decission? I interpret the scenario of Brink as a long-lasting conflict, not a series of battles where the largest force wins. In wars, the army that runs out of resources loses. If that resource is manpower, why would you waste it?

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

As a new person to the forums, I have to say, this topic is horrendous enough to make me want to leave. The blatant sexism from many male members, and the internalized misogyny of some of the women, just makes me really uncomfortable.

But I have to say, to Farseer Lolotea - you are freaking awesome. I really admire your courage, to be taking on this many individuals who just DON'T GET what it feels like to be marginalized by the gaming industry because of stupid behaviors like this on the part of Brink's. Thank you for standing up for women who care about games, and want to see the existence of our gender acknowledged.

And thank you randomfox and MasterV - it's great to see awesome male allies who can see through the bull as well. You and a few other awesome users are pretty much the only reason why I'm convincing myself to stay at the Escapist and not run for the hills.

Keep on keepin' on.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. And Kahuna's right; it's not always this bad. This thread just seems to have drawn a lot of the...characters...out of the woodwork.

the weakest of cop-outs

What, I should give that guy more of the attention he so clearly craves?

 

[Lord Honk]

Aaaaand, I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not on the second point. I will say that you should look up Women and the Russian Theater of WWII. When you are fighting for your very existence against an undisputably stronger foe, you throw every single fucking person you have at them cuz in situations like that, the only advantage you have if more man power. It is ridiculous to cut off half of your potential manpower just to preserve the weak womanly folk. For one thing, that is incredibly sexist, and when you are fighting for your very survival you don't waste time on that sort of thing or you lose very quickly, and for two things it's strategically inadvisable to say the least. They haven't regressed to primitive ways, they're a futuristic society! Progress does not start going backwards the father in the future you go!

Just as a last point before I go to sleep:
I do understand what you're saying, and I am agreeing in your point: It would be stupid to not send all you've got into a battle. But for me, that only holds true if you know your opponent is doing the same. When you've got something as long-winded as, say, the Thirty Years' War, then having women to bear children is what will keep you existing beyond the conflict, not just through it. I'm not willingly being sexist, but think about this: During the TYW, the rate of birth decreased by about 50% in Pomerania. That's 50% less people than could have been standing against a possible enemy. (Granted, there was famine and illnesses that contributed to the low rates, but I hope you see what I'm getting at.)

Anyways, g'night folks.

 

[nukethetuna]

I would like to point out that I think the whole "snip" business is retarded. Not saying anything about the people who do it, just throwing my two cents out on that particular aspect of forum community that aggrivates me.

It's mostly so that the quotes of quotes on quotes in quotes whilst quoting don't grow to be too large, I think.

I have to wonder, if they'd just changed the story to be like "There's a magic electromagnetic barrier that zaps anything without a penis", or some other sort of ridiculous handwave, instead of admitting that they couldn't fit women in based on their budget/deadline, would everyone be ok with it?

And to everyone saying that they removed half of their customization options by removing women, despite all of those resources instead being allocated to male models, their resources probably aren't infinite. At worst, there are an equal number of options as there would be with women, at best, they actually added more by having to work with less models. You can certainly argue they removed an IMPORTANT customization option, though.

...Anyways, who wants to play some Other M? Samus is a girl in a game!