British Student Loses Extradition Battle Over Copyright Violation
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I'm disappointed to see a UK judge make that call. I'm in the US myself and I can't see any good from this happening. If they can just do a little legal zigging and zagging to get what they want, the world doesn't stand a chance. It would be a crime for this guy to go to jail in the US for potentially 10 years of his life. A country he has yet to set a single foot in. I feel it should be pointed out that a great many Americans don't like the idea of the US being world police. Have a little backbone!
I don't think anyone is saying he isn't guilty, He is, but that he should be tryed in the UK. Luckly for him he would not be prosicuted in the UK but that is another matter...
Note to self, Never have a .com domain. Not that I would make a site like TV Shack.
So it is not so much that we are letting the US police the world more in this case the judge wants punishment dispite the 'never left the UK' argument.
Note to self, Never have a .com domain. Not that I would make a site like TV Shack.
Did you read the article? From my understanding of it the reason he is being extradited it because UK law would not prosicuite (can't spell) him and the judge beleived that he sould still be punnished.emeraldrafael said:
So it is not so much that we are letting the US police the world more in this case the judge wants punishment dispite the 'never left the UK' argument.
Not to be rude, but the United States tends to be very sleezy when it comes to lawsuits or getting people from foreign countries to be "Brought to justice" as some people would say. Yet if any foreign country TRIED to have an American punished by their legal system for something like this, Americans would be in a uproar of offence at such a claim. So while I do respect Americans on various reasons and topics, I must say that their Legal System is corrupt or money motivated (Though even our own Canadian systen is corrupt to an extent).
But we're meant to bend over backward whenever America wants something from us! :O How could you possibly be so heartless as to suggest otherwise.Ilikemilkshake said:
Back in reality, seriously? SERIOUSLY? Is this honestly going somewhere? Wow. How on earth is America allowed to be the trial when he's done nothing in America, but set up something that's illegal? That's like saying I should be sent to, let's use an extreme example, a strict, fundamentalist Muslim country for writing a book of apostasy that was published there. Fuck's sake.
Hosting a search engine that somebody else misuses to infringe copyright is not illegal in Britain. He did not commit a crime.Rednog said:
You can read english. There are places in the world where the punishment for that is being wrapped up in car tires, doused in petrol and set on fire. By your logic, a tribal warlord should be allowed to kidnap you to do exactly that. Unless you also believe that one should be able to pick and chose which laws one obeys.
Really?Asehujiko said:
I'm sorry but once again I have to question the lack of understanding of trade agreements.
I explained it quite well as to why he can still be tried even though he is not breaking the law in the UK. If you honestly can't get why this is there really isn't any other explanation for me to give. Seriously please look up international trade agreements.
I don't know where to even begin with you example. So you're telling me there are places in the world where there are laws saying that it is illegal to be able to read english. I would like a source on these laws.
Since I know it doesn't exist I will do your job for you and break down the argument you are trying to present. So you're saying that why should we listen to the laws of other countries, people should only be subject to the laws of their own country. Why should this guy be the subject of American law and not the laws of other countries, say Iran?
And once again this boils down to the fact that this is a case of the guy is breaking an international law and not local law. Both the UK and the US agreed to uphold the copy right/trade agreement thus while the UK local law says that this is a grey area the US is still able to use the agreed upon international law to take the guy to trial.
Because of this, you wouldn't ever be tried by a place like Iran for breaking their local laws because your country never agreed to uphold that law, and no country ever would agree to uphold an insane law like the one you are proposing.
This is basic knowledge of laws, and I'm still surprised people are able to get up in arms about a topic when they don't really have any idea how it works.
Hehe, this is United States, but imagine if suddenly Thailand or Somalia or another country suddenly says you broke their laws and want you there.
And who knows what would they do to you.
Why do they have the ability to do that?
The zeal the companies have to punish so severely this "pirates" is scary.
And who knows what would they do to you.
Why do they have the ability to do that?
All right, after reading this I get it.Rednog said:
The zeal the companies have to punish so severely this "pirates" is scary.
I'm done arguing with you about something that is continuously drifting further and further away from the original topic. Let that be said.emeraldrafael said:
All I mean with my previous post is that the United states is a larger and stronger country than the UK in almost every part of the way.
Britain is a shadow of what it once was and the US overshadows the country. The situation is so bad, the American government can use its political leverage to get almost anything from the British. (entering futile wars for example)
They simply don't have a choice.
You may feel they do but that's simply not the case. (officially every country can do what it wants but that's simply not what happens in the field)
Essentially, then, we crawl about like ants. And if one of the overarching, godlike powers of the world cares to make a casual example on a whim, that's it. There's nothing you can do. There's nobody who'll protect you. You just have pray that, with millions of other ants out there, it's not your door they come knocking on. This time.
WHAT?!?
Right, first SOPA and now this, I have officially lost faith in America. Defo' not taking a holiday there now.
Someone put this post somewhere in Washington. Maybe the politicians and lawyers will grow a brain cell if intelligence is shown to them.mad825 said:
think of this as retaliation from us colonial rebels! lol, first we spill your tea, next we have your people arrested!
Of all the torrent sites out there you go after one based in the UK? There's tons of US based ones you can go make examples of, you don't need to go extraditing people from another country.
Well the US is just following Great Britain's history of doing the same thing with other countries(see:India, Africa, and China) ;DRobert Ewing said:
Hi, USA here. Quit your whining.Hugga_Bear said:
Is that clear?
Instead of just typing about how your government is just lacking, why don't you actually do something about it? Oh, that's because its just easier to badmouth your government and my own.