Burned Alive During 18th Birthday

Something Amyss

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Desert Punk said:
Anyone that thinks what he did was a good idea has some serious brain damage and needs to be looked after and to attempt to correct them.
Is there any evidence he thought it was a "good idea?"

Just a question. We have in the headlines dudes who raped a chick and then PASSED AROUND VIDEO and made boisterous comments about the event, demonstrating intent, knowledge and a sense of acceptability for their acts.

They may serve only a single year.

Are you so vigorous about it?

Seriously, I want to know. All the Vault101 avatars blend together, so maybe you have been. Maybe you've been one of the handful of people on here who's taken an actual stand on that.

If not, however....

Well, it strikes me as weird that you've got such a vengeance-on for a dude charged with manslaughter, which should indicated they can't demonstrate intent. This kid's an asshole, but you're treating him as though this was his plan all along, and that's just crap.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Easton Dark said:
3.5 years for (allegedly) manslaughter and obstruction of justice when he lied about how it happened?

Had to have had some help in court.
One can't help but note that the victim was gay and autistic, and wonder if that had anything to do with it.
It probably has more to do with the fact that the accused plead guilty.
 

Something Amyss

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Desert Punk said:
Sorry, language problem "Good idea" as in "Not completely fucking retarded."
By that logic, you should lock up 90% of teenage boys for 5-10 years.

Actually, I don't object to that idea.
And if you note, I am not advocating life in prison, burning his junk off, or any other harsh sentence, I am advocating some mental help for the guy.
I'm not sure your intent here. The phrase "duh" comes to mind. Still, advocating a harsher sentence because ponies still sounds like a vengeance-on.
 

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What is wrong with the people in this thread that say 3.5 years is enough? First, he won't serve all of that. Second, did you read the article? There are less heinous crimes given the death penalty.

I hope someone finds this guy after he gets out and tortures him to death. This is unspeakable inhuman behavior and he should be cut from civilization. Sorry chap, you're not good enough to make the cut. Go drown yourself.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
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What if Steven had been your son or your brother? Would you still feel like 3.5 years are enough.
The court that sentenced the guy thought it was enough. That would be sufficient for me.
So, because the "court" decided it, it must be perfectly fitting and worthwhile allotment of prison time?
Mate, in some places you can be let off from killing someone with albinism, because they don't consider albinos human, and in the states people have been known to get longer sentences for smoking a joint and getting caught, how the fuck, is 3.5 years an acceptable sentence, when you consider that this dude, wrote phrases of a clearly negatively labeling sort on a guy whom he coerced into stripping naked, and then BURNED HIM TO DEATH.

Just a quick question for you, have you ever experienced a severe burn? if you have ever burned yourself, like at all, now imagine it being over a large portion of your body, including your genitals, and not stopping until you die.
I think that most people would agree that that's just about the most painful way to die(not including certain neurotoxins of course), and when you consider that it was obviously an action taken for reasons of discrimination, well torturing someone to death because they're different, takes a certain degree of FUCKED THE HELL UP.
Now, that might be a learned kind of fucked the hell up taught by bad parents, and if so, the fact that he fled the scene clearly means he knows just how bad his actions were, in this case a nice long prison sentence would act as both a good reminder to him of how wrong it is to burn someone to death for not being "normal" enough in his eyes, and serve as a warning to anyone else in his community who may share his sentiments towards people with a different lifestyle, different sexual orientation, and or disabilities(taking his apparent autism into account here as well).

What I'm trying to say is, the court isn't always right, because sometimes the court is biased in such a way as to willfully ignore certain elements due to personal prejudices. After all, the law is about as concrete in most cases as silly putty.
 

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It all really hinges on why he was covered in tanning oil. It sounds like they decided that it wasn't the perpetrator who covered him in oil and the death was unintentional.

I'm not defending anyone, what happened was disgusting. Just trying to think it out.
 

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Prison needs to be a form of punishment AND rehabilitation. 3.5 years doesn't seem like a good enough punishment, I say add a few more on to that.
The_Scrivener said:
This is unspeakable inhuman behavior
The_Scrivener said:
I hope someone finds this guy after he gets out and tortures him to death.
OH THE IRONY.
 

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SecretNegative said:
If he set another guy on fire adn got 3,5 years and the minimum for manslaughter is five years...what?

I really can't tell if 3.5 years is long enough, since I've never been to a prison in my whole life, or even met a criminal (or atleast, someone who said they were a criminal).

Prison is about rehabilitation, and if he can rehabilitate in 3.5 years, then it's long enough.
this isn't meant to sound insulting in the slightest, but your innocence and naivety (sp?) are kinda refreshing and adorable. again, no disrespect or condescension are intended here. i guess adorable is a little condescending... but not in a jerk way. is there a such thing as polite condescension?
 

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DoomyMcDoom said:
Couple of problems here. One being that he wasn't charged with a hate crime from what I've read. So he probably wasn't the one that wrote on the boy's body. Second, if they didn't charge him with straight up murder, there might not have been enough evidence to suggest he burned the guy to death on purpose. That kind of thing has to be taken into consideration.

I'm missing a lot of details in this whole thing to really figure out what would be a proper sentence for this guy, so I'm not going to outright say he deserves more time.
The_Scrivener said:
I hope someone finds this guy after he gets out and tortures him to death. This is unspeakable inhuman behavior and he should be cut from civilization.
"This is a horrible and immoral act that should never be done to a person. We're going to show you that by doing the same exact thing to you"

*brain melts*

What?

 

Charli

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His first instinct was to run away, not to fetch water and douse the flames.

What a first rate piece of shit.

That's an abysmal sentence.



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Froggy Slayer

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..manslaughter.

This is only being considered 'manslaughter'.

How.

He set a guys head on fire, that's assault.

The kid died, that should effectively be considered murder.
 

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Dee Oh Double Gizzle said:
As far as tha law goes, thatz fine.

If it was me dat da perved-out muthafucka set on fire, I'd make it mah goal up in thuglife ta make shizzle da thug was charged wit attempted murder. Shiiit, dis aint no joke. It only takes one mistake n' his ass could have took a dirt nap or been seriously damaged fo' life.
...alright, some I'm reading through this thread. You know, you got your typical "that is some fucked up shit", "he should be tortured for torturing someone", and the few people trying to play devil's advocate and act "rational." (I use that word very loosely.)

And then there's you.

Seriously, da fuq is this?
 

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martyrdrebel27 said:
SecretNegative said:
If he set another guy on fire adn got 3,5 years and the minimum for manslaughter is five years...what?

I really can't tell if 3.5 years is long enough, since I've never been to a prison in my whole life, or even met a criminal (or atleast, someone who said they were a criminal).

Prison is about rehabilitation, and if he can rehabilitate in 3.5 years, then it's long enough.
this isn't meant to sound insulting in the slightest, but your innocence and naivety (sp?) are kinda refreshing and adorable. again, no disrespect or condescension are intended here. i guess adorable is a little condescending... but not in a jerk way. is there a such thing as polite condescension?
You just sound like you felt like fucking with him. So no, you are in no way polite by any means. Try explaining why you think he's being naïve maybe?

DVS BSTrD said:
[Some people really can't understand empathy without firsthand experience.
Others simply aren't worth rehabilitating and some can't be.
But we don't know if he can be rehabilitated or not. That's sort of why we have to try it out first.
 

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TheNaut131 said:
Dee Oh Double Gizzle said:
As far as tha law goes, thatz fine.

If it was me dat da perved-out muthafucka set on fire, I'd make it mah goal up in thuglife ta make shizzle da thug was charged wit attempted murder. Shiiit, dis aint no joke. It only takes one mistake n' his ass could have took a dirt nap or been seriously damaged fo' life.
...alright, some I'm reading through this thread. You know, you got your typical "that is some fucked up shit", "he should be tortured for torturing someone", and the few people trying to play devil's advocate and act "rational." (I use that word very loosely.)

And then there's you.

Seriously, da fuq is this?
Yeah...you might want to look at that person's other posts. Or not, as the case may be.
 

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That's just horrible. The worst part for me is that as soon as I saw 'Jordan Sheard, 20, of Darfield Road, Cudworth', then suddenly all the pieces started to fit together into one massive fucked up puzzle. Because Cudworth is just like that.
 

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BathorysGraveland2 said:
Sounds like it was one hell of a birthday party.
I laught inappropriately hard.

On topic, though. It's simple: the offender clearly does not have moral standards and respect for the integrity of other human beings, but was fully conscious of what he was doing (it was no act out of fear or anger management issues).

Acts like these make me wish some of the medi eval punishments came back. I think we should set large portions of his body on fire, extinguish the fire and then just let him suffer through the rest of his life.