But, I LIKE this Cliché!
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Humans being the kind, benevolent race...give me a break. We're capable of startling cruelty and selfishness, but we like to kid ourselves with the idea that we're wonderful and helpful towards all.
Plenty...granted, it needs to be an RPG where there are more intelligent, significant races than just humans, i.e. not Fable. What do you find hard to believe?Le_Lisra said:
Never played Fable tbh because nothing from it sounded remotely interesting..Vanguard_Ex said:
But tell me, in which games did this happen? The Baldur's Gate Saga features a lot of annoying, stupid, racist, evil and about every other adjective you care for.. human. And elf, dwarf, halfling, gnome etc.
So are people in KOTOR (especially the old Jedis in 2, a friend likes to call them the "old nazis" [lit. translation]), I can't say how it is in the Elder Scrolls because you seldom meet people in Morrowind who are distictively human. Lotsa nords are battle-crazy, many Imperials are arrogant pricks.. Fallout features pretty much only humans, Divine Divinity doesn't exactly consist of role-models..
I dunno. Maybe you played other games than me.
I remember the one in KOTOR, which pissed me off to no end because the entire quest was a dark side trap. There was literally no way to finish that quest without getting dark side points. I was playing as a light side character for my first playthrough and I had to waste multiple hours trying to finish it in EVERY. POSSIBLE. BLOODY. WAY. After I discovered it was a dark side trap, I had to revert back to a DAYS old savegame. That still pisses me off to this day.bobisimo said:
Why is my character so willing to exchange the trusty sword that he probably received as a gift from his parents when he graduated from adventuring school and his well-worn suit of armor that fits him perfectly after all these years for some bigger-looking sword and thicker-looking armor that a random bandit leader was using before you stuck him full of arrows? Doesn't anything have sentimental value anymore?
or the fact that no-one would want to be a merchant what with a million respawning banditsInternet Kraken said:
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that these cliches are supposed to be good.
With that in mind I offer "ridiculous economies." With the number of people I killed in Oblivion, and the number of swords I looted off their lifeless bodies, swords should have been worth less than gold pieces. Let's not also forget the price difference between spending the night at an inn in the slums of Midgar and one in Wutai.
With that in mind I offer "ridiculous economies." With the number of people I killed in Oblivion, and the number of swords I looted off their lifeless bodies, swords should have been worth less than gold pieces. Let's not also forget the price difference between spending the night at an inn in the slums of Midgar and one in Wutai.
We're looking for GOOD RPG cliche's. Did anybody actually LIKE the fact that, minutes into a desperate quest to save the world in "Oblivion", you end up in a sewer fighting rats? Because I sure as heck didn't...FutureHousedad said:
And while we're at it, scrap the "You are the CHOSEN ONE!" rubbish and let the hero earn his goddamn spurs. And with those spurs, let him earn some decent privileges that go with being the savior of the entire world. For example: in "Oblivion" you get a nice new suit of gold armour. Wooo! Shiny!
I tell you a good RPG cliche: SECRET PASSAGES. I can't get enough of 'em.
"Sad thing"? It's one of the few game series in existance with a consistant story and very good voice actors (Kain is played by Simon Templeman, the same guy playing Loghaine in Dragon Age). The only exception is Defiance which is pretty crap gameplay-wise.Kitsuna10060 said:
Enemies never flee.. ever.
Even though you culled an entire platoon, the last bowman will faithfull stand his ground while a psychotic band of murderers storm his position.
So plus for heroism, minus for reality.
There is no surprice-tactics either, because every enemy (even goblins) knows exactly who the enemy is and where they are.
There is no reason to NOT kill everything, because you would loose loot and xp. So there is very little reason to sneak around, spare lives of henchmen and do a good clean in-and-out.
And if they are evil buggers, theres no way to exterminate except by hand... no smoking them out, no burning them alive, poisoning the well, blocking the ventilation, undermine the supportbeams, divert the river or start a panic-riot.
Even though you culled an entire platoon, the last bowman will faithfull stand his ground while a psychotic band of murderers storm his position.
So plus for heroism, minus for reality.
There is no surprice-tactics either, because every enemy (even goblins) knows exactly who the enemy is and where they are.
There is no reason to NOT kill everything, because you would loose loot and xp. So there is very little reason to sneak around, spare lives of henchmen and do a good clean in-and-out.
And if they are evil buggers, theres no way to exterminate except by hand... no smoking them out, no burning them alive, poisoning the well, blocking the ventilation, undermine the supportbeams, divert the river or start a panic-riot.
Yes, with the exception of the first one, every game after -consistantly- aborts the story just when it's supposed to get interesting and puts off the climax for another game.Soet Poet said:
Except Blood Omen 2, which was just bad.
Consistant story my arse.
Usually the same games have a major villain and evil empire that are also human.Vanguard_Ex said:
Dragon Age is surprisingly different in that its big bad IS NOT human in any way... altho there aren't very many -good- humans in that game either...
I find it rather weird but every single RPG in the world seems to have giant spiders in it. Also, the big final boss battle will have a cutscene that goes something like this:
YOU: It looks like this is the end
VILLAIN: *laughs* This has just begun! *Pulls a switch and a legion of henchman start hacking at you*
Oh right, and about that temple stuff, you are so right about that, but I don't like those temples and ruins. I'd rather have an adventure in the woods, or on a mountain or something than in another underground tomb.
YOU: It looks like this is the end
VILLAIN: *laughs* This has just begun! *Pulls a switch and a legion of henchman start hacking at you*
Oh right, and about that temple stuff, you are so right about that, but I don't like those temples and ruins. I'd rather have an adventure in the woods, or on a mountain or something than in another underground tomb.
