Call of Duty in Special Needs School Sparks Complaint

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XinfiniteX said:
Wait the kid was 16, that means he is old enough to play M rated games anyway!
http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ESRB-M.jpg

Nice try.
 

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lacktheknack said:
XinfiniteX said:
Wait the kid was 16, that means he is old enough to play M rated games anyway!
http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ESRB-M.jpg

Nice try.

I live in Australia... I just assumed it was the same as here.
 

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XinfiniteX said:
lacktheknack said:
XinfiniteX said:
Wait the kid was 16, that means he is old enough to play M rated games anyway!
http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ESRB-M.jpg

Nice try.

I live in Australia... I just assumed it was the same as here.
Nope. America's M rating is the equivalent to Australia's non-existent 18+ rating. Except 17+. Huh.
 

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hansari said:
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Woodsey said:
If they've only just found out, how do they know he was angrier after playing it?
By the power of being biased and attributing every issue the guy came home with ever to the game without further investigation?
The game? THE GAME?!?!?!!!?!!!11/1/1/?!!/1

DAMN IT!
Hush!!! They are parents!

By the age of 18 they are imbued with magical wisdom!


(except in matters of alcohol...that comes at 21)
Unless you live in Alberta :D, only part of Canada with the drinking age of 18 :D
 

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Woodsey said:
lacktheknack said:
Woodsey said:
If they've only just found out, how do they know he was angrier after playing it?
Because they were wondering why he was behaving more violently around his sister. It's in the article.
Well that's conclusive.
the video on the link said that they were fighting it since September.
That reporting was terrible though. Call of Duty 4 gameplay=Black Ops?
And if they were playing black ops, maybe he was playing Zork/Dead ops?
Sad though, video games will be blamed when the school was in the wrong.
 

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lacktheknack said:
XinfiniteX said:
lacktheknack said:
XinfiniteX said:
Wait the kid was 16, that means he is old enough to play M rated games anyway!
http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ESRB-M.jpg

Nice try.
I live in Australia... I just assumed it was the same as here.
Nope. America's M rating is the equivalent to Australia's non-existent 18+ rating. Except 17+. Huh.
We got an 18+ for everything but games :s So is there a US equivalent to our 18+ for movies etc?
 

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XinfiniteX said:
lacktheknack said:
XinfiniteX said:
lacktheknack said:
XinfiniteX said:
Wait the kid was 16, that means he is old enough to play M rated games anyway!
http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ESRB-M.jpg

Nice try.
I live in Australia... I just assumed it was the same as here.
Nope. America's M rating is the equivalent to Australia's non-existent 18+ rating. Except 17+. Huh.
We got an 18+ for everything but games :s So is there a US equivalent to our 18+ for movies etc?
Yeah, R(estricted).
 

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Dexiro said:
Woodsey said:
Dexiro said:
Woodsey said:
lacktheknack said:
Woodsey said:
lacktheknack said:
Woodsey said:
If they've only just found out, how do they know he was angrier after playing it?
Because they were wondering why he was behaving more violently around his sister. It's in the article.
Well that's conclusive.
We know that if an unstable, aggressive personality plays violent video games, they'll act more violently for a while. If you don't believe this, I want to know where you got your epic blinders.
Link me the studies and who led them.
It's pretty much been proven that certain personalities can become more aggressive for a short period of time after/while certain playing games.

The problem we usually have with those studies is that they usually miss out the "short term" part and act as though violent games make everyone permanently more violent.

It's like when you feel like smashing your controller when you get really frustrated. You'll be more aggressive for like 10 minutes maybe, but after that everything's fine.
Well they're saying it lasts through a portion of the day and until he gets home and sees his sister.
Well supposedly for people with certain emotional/mental problems that short term aggression lasts longer. I think it sounds fairly reasonable.
Yeah, but maybe he was just having a shit week.

Maybe he woke up too early.

Maybe he didn't like the taste of his breakfast.

Maybe someone's been annoying him.

Maybe he crapped himself and Kevin Bacon flew out of his arse.

It could be anything.

Maybe his sister is annoying him.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Yeah, R(estricted).
Sorry to keep dragging this out, but does that mean you have a 17+ and an 18+? Seems a bit odd that there would be a restriction gap of just 1 year.
 

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XinfiniteX said:
lacktheknack said:
Yeah, R(estricted).
Sorry to keep dragging this out, but does that mean you have a 17+ and an 18+? Seems a bit odd that there would be a restriction gap of just 1 year.
18+ games (Adults Only) rarely make it to the shelves, whereas 17+ games are sold just about everywhere.

I really don't understand the difference; then again, very few games have an 18+ rating (I think Manhunt and Postal 2?)
 

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cairocat said:
No, I mean, the game. I just lost it.
Oh, you son of a *****!

OT: This is on the school. These kids have varying degrees mental, social, and emotional problems, giving them an M game like Call of Duty was not a smart idea on their part. It would have been reasonable if the parents were informed of this or had to sign a permission slip or something, but I can sympathize with the parents here, the school did a dumb.
 

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cairocat said:
hansari said:
cairocat said:
Asehujiko said:
Woodsey said:
If they've only just found out, how do they know he was angrier after playing it?
By the power of being biased and attributing every issue the guy came home with ever to the game without further investigation?
The game? THE GAME?!?!?!!!?!!!11/1/1/?!!/1

DAMN IT!
Hush!!! They are parents!

By the age of 18 they are imbued with magical wisdom!

(except in matters of alcohol...that comes at 21)
No, I mean, the game. I just lost it.
Yeah, the game would be much more entertaining if losing it meant Michael Douglas popped out of nowhere and beat the shit out of you or something. Also, thanks for making me lose it with your earlier post. :p
 

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cairocat said:
Andy Chalk said:
"mental and emotional problems."
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Andy Chalk said:
allowed to play Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare [http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-Xbox-360/dp/B0016B28Y8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292272241&sr=8-1] in class
How could this ever possibly sound like a good idea?
^was gonna say that exactly^

WHO could possibly think this a good idea!!!!!!
 

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Woodsey said:
Well they're saying it lasts through a portion of the day and until he gets home and sees his sister.
That's only because she's been spawn camping him. :p

But, yeah, developmental disabilities can indicate that an emotional state like this will hang on for much longer than it would with a normal individual.

On topic it sounds like this kid was just a poor fit with the program, but, I don't know for certain that that was all it was.
 

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Sometimes people will act violently not because they play a violent video game but because they suck at it. That's the way it goes because no one likes losing. If you win you experience a short burst of happiness. Of course if you're dealing with a mentally problematic person you can never know for sure what to expect from them no matter what activity is in question.
 

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Enigmers said:
XinfiniteX said:
lacktheknack said:
Yeah, R(estricted).
Sorry to keep dragging this out, but does that mean you have a 17+ and an 18+? Seems a bit odd that there would be a restriction gap of just 1 year.
18+ games (Adults Only) rarely make it to the shelves, whereas 17+ games are sold just about everywhere.

I really don't understand the difference; then again, very few games have an 18+ rating (I think Manhunt and Postal 2?)
A big part of that is because major retailers will not stock AO titles. So the developers self censor.

Xfinitive, the American film ratings are G, PG, PG-13, R (no one under 18 without supervision), and NC-17 (no children, regardless of parents). X used to be a legitimate MPAA rating, but I'm not sure it is anymore.

Games are, I think, E (everyone), E-10 (everyone over 10), T (teen I forget the age range), M (mature, which I thought was 18 and up, but shows what I remember), and AO, which is Adults Only, and as I mentioned earlier, never gets stocked by most retailers.

EDIT: It's probably worth pointing out that the ESRB and the MPAA are both trade groups, so unlike in Oz, there's no legislative mandate for everything to be rated.
 

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Even if these were general education students we were talking about, a school shouldn't have its students playing M-rated games without parental consent. The fact that this is a special needs kid we're talking about, who may have difficulty with the concept of "just a game", just goes to show that the teachers/administrators allowing this are a special kind of stupid.
 

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hansari said:
cairocat said:
Asehujiko said:
Woodsey said:
If they've only just found out, how do they know he was angrier after playing it?
By the power of being biased and attributing every issue the guy came home with ever to the game without further investigation?
The game? THE GAME?!?!?!!!?!!!11/1/1/?!!/1

DAMN IT!
Hush!!! They are parents!

By the age of 18 they are imbued with magical wisdom!

(except in matters of alcohol...that comes at 21)
19 in Canada!

Anyways, I think this whole this is based around ignorance, but I definitely think the parents should've been informed about this happening. May have diffused the situation a bit.
 

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kokirisoldier said:
cairocat said:
Andy Chalk said:
"mental and emotional problems."
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Andy Chalk said:
allowed to play Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare [http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-Xbox-360/dp/B0016B28Y8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292272241&sr=8-1] in class
How could this ever possibly sound like a good idea?
^was gonna say that exactly^

WHO could possibly think this a good idea!!!!!!
Using video games to reward behavior certainly does, and has been used before. Now, who the gaming illiterate was that thought CoD was a good choice for special needs students is another issue.
 

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Taneer said:
hansari said:
cairocat said:
Asehujiko said:
Woodsey said:
If they've only just found out, how do they know he was angrier after playing it?
By the power of being biased and attributing every issue the guy came home with ever to the game without further investigation?
The game? THE GAME?!?!?!!!?!!!11/1/1/?!!/1

DAMN IT!
Hush!!! They are parents!

By the age of 18 they are imbued with magical wisdom!

(except in matters of alcohol...that comes at 21)
19 in Canada!

Anyways, I think this whole this is based around ignorance, but I definitely think the parents should've been informed about this happening. May have diffused the situation a bit.
18 in Maryland, IIRC.