Calling All Non-Americans!!!: America?

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from the UK

most of us think your obese, moronic and nationalist is the basic standpoint from my area, a lot of American stereotype jokes being thrown around too...

my view of america is don't know don't care to be honest
 

GundamSentinel

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I don't like the people that represent America, I don't like the way America presents itself, I don't like the way Americans think other people should think about America. I don't like American patriotism, I don't America's superiority complex. I like some Americans, the ones I don't like I've never met. That's about it.

I dislike America on an impersonal level. However. I like America on a personal level.
 

Jabberwock xeno

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American's view of america:

Less guns than you think, less idots then you think, assuming you look for the smart ones.

I am so distanced from the sterotype of americans that I hardly feel american myself...
 

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Gxas said:
Mcface said:
Hey look this thread again..this week.

inb4 "lol i've never met an american, or been to america, but I hate it because the TV and popular culture tell me i should"
Pretty much my feelings on this. I hate these threads. Its just a thinly disguised "Bash America" thread.
Sometimes not even thinly disguised.

Jabberwock xeno said:
American's view of america:

Less guns than you think, less idots then you think, assuming you look for the smart ones.

I am so distanced from the sterotype of americans that I hardly feel american myself...
There are about 90 guns per 100 people in civilian ownership. More then half of the households in the US have one or more firearms in them.

Not that it's a bad thing, but there are more guns then you think. The fact that we are not a bunch of maddened killing machines shows them for what they are a tool and only that. It's a shame that so many people can act so enlightened when it comes to defending the negative image of something they like (video games), but are so willing to do the same to something else (guns).

The UK largely seen as a model of gun control has more violent crime then the US. Both Canada and well pick your Westernized country aside from Australia. About the only thing that the US leads on is homicides, and rapes but that is debatable. Even then it's predominantly the result of crime within the poorer urban areas. Those areas have murder rates as high as 20 while the rest of the country has rates down around 1.8 and 2. Comparable with the rates in countries like Canada, and the UK. Think of it this way, the average US rate is 5.4 the average rate across all of Europe is 5.4. The US population is 310 million, Europe 490 million. Both have large populations with vast cultural differences. Both have their trouble areas.

Destroying this socioeconomic barrier and bringing the people within them up to the same standards in education and the same standards of living are one of the few major social hurdles the US has in front of it. Something that they are making great progress on in cities like New York and Chicago. Something they are trying to adapt to wider use across the country.

Sure you can look at gun crime, and see higher rates all day, but that doesn't spell out the whole picture. Which is that gun ownership rates have never been directly tied to crime rates in any meaningful way.
 

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Anarchemitis said:
I live in Canada and have all my life. I think that the United States is starting to wane on its global influence as the model of Economy, Industry and Education they maintain (which heavily influences development in those respects on an International basis) are outdated because of those models being directed and largely unmodified since the legal and cultural constructs assembled in the Industrial Revolution.
I see it takes someone who lives on the same continent to note that the United States is all of America. Well done :)
 

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GundamSentinel said:
I don't like the people that represent America, I don't like the way America presents itself, I don't like the way Americans think other people should think about America. I don't like American patriotism, I don't America's superiority complex. I like some Americans, the ones I don't like I've never met. That's about it.

I dislike America on an impersonal level. However. I like America on a personal level.
Wait a second, I am reading that as you have never actually met an American you don't like, but you are sure you don't like them.

Nifty.
 

Mynop

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I'm from Finland and I've never put that much of a thought about America.
 

supermariner

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well my view on america is hardly worth much

television has taught me that a third of your country are hyper attractive led and hyper stupid
another third is hyper fat and hyper stupid
and the other third are hillbillies

now i would like to point out that i KNOW these representations cannot be trusted
but it's all i have to go on
so i'm sure america is a wonderful place full of wonderful people
but i don't actually know that to be true

so my thoughts on americans: TBD once i meet some
and my thoughts on america: love the movies. hate the politics. But hey. I'm British, don't listen to us liberals, run your country whatever way you'd prefer (well we're conservative again now but that'd be digressing)
 

Kagim

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I'm from Canada.

America is that country underneath mine.

Most people i know point at America and mock some part of it to feel good about themselves despite not actually doing anything good themselves. Its the place that my social studies class spent a solid twenty minutes mocking causing me to leave the room. When confronted by my principle i merely said "I don't think prejudice should be taught in schools." and spent my suspension playing video games.

Whats my personal opinion of America.

It's a country, that's not mine, and is an ally to mine. I think hating Americans for the loud mouths is as stupid as hating any group for the loud mouths.

I'm sorry if i was supposed to bash America, but i won't.
 

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Mcface said:
Hey look this thread again..this week.

inb4 "lol i've never met an american, or been to america, but I hate it because the TV and popular culture tell me i should"
This. Seriously, it's getting so old.
 

Gxas

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Kagim said:
Its the place that my social studies class spent a solid twenty minutes mocking causing me to leave the room. When confronted by my principle i merely said "I don't think prejudice should be taught in schools." and spent my suspension playing video games.
Good on you. You definitely shouldn't have been suspended for that. Thats just bullshit.

People here do the same thing to Canada, and I despise it. I think Canada is one of the best countries around. I mean, I can like hockey and not get made fun of for it? Thats a place I can live in!
 

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Sniper Team 4 said:
Anarchemitis said:
I live in Canada and have all my life. I think that the United States is starting to wane on its global influence as the model of Economy, Industry and Education they maintain (which heavily influences development in those respects on an International basis) are outdated because of those models being directed and largely unmodified since the legal and cultural constructs assembled in the Industrial Revolution.
I see it takes someone who lives on the same continent to note that the United States is all of America. Well done :)
Je n'comprende pas ton point de vue.
 

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Most of the Americans I've meet I've liked, I communicate a lot over the internet with some because of my political beliefs as well, and most of them have been decent as well. I do have a problem with the American government and a lot of their actions, but all in all the American people seem no different then others. Also, goddamn you guys make good burgers, not sure why Canadian ones seem not as good.

However, Canadians love to act superior towards Americans. It's a whole superiority complex thing we have going, where we love to bring up our universal healthcare system and such. I personally view that as patriotic bullshit, Canada's got plenty of problems too that we love to remain ignorant about.
 

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I am from south-east England, but I've been to America a few times now.

I tend to play up the Americans I've met over the years as crass and stupid... but, since I only ever do it as part of a stand-up act - and even then am at pains to point out that not all Americans act how I portray them in the material - the point is moot. I have met some spectacularly stupid Americans in my time, but I've also met Piers Morgan. Idiocy is a global phenomenon.

I quite like the idea of the United States; a society based upon equality is an inherently good thing. However, when it comes to implementing equality for all humanity, regardless of race, colour or creed... don't take this the wrong way, but you guys -suck at it-. Really suck at it. For example, the NHS might be a bit rubbish at times, but it's free at the point of service for everyone to use - and I consider it reprehensible to say that that idea's a bad one. The idea is good, but the execution... not so much.

My four-penn'orth, anyway.
 

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Um...how does "love the people, hate the politics" work? Don't the US people have a say in who runs their nation?

Ok, sure, you can be sympathetic to those US people that don't fit the stereotype and actually are interested in their society and the world around them, but as most people in the US don't vote, they would seem to be in the minority.
 

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My viewpoint on it?

I guess it's like any other country, there are assholes, ignorant people, there are some really nice people, and intelligent people.
The ignorant I hate the most.
 

Calendor1

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How dares you bash amurica! We be the bestest cuntry in the world! Lol, nah. I'm always interested in the world's view of our country. I like it here, but it doesn't surprise me that many foreigners don't like it. We have a piss poor image. And most to all of it is probably true. Whatever. We suck, but I like living here. :)
 

JediMB

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From Sweden here, and I've been to Los Angeles once.

The United States of America are a collection of places and people. Some good some bad, just like everywhere else. They're much too diverse to generalize.
 

LikeDustInTheWind

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Country: Canada

I think the US (no, not America, the US. America is North and South America, two continents, not a country) is a great country. A lot of things everyone loves come from there and honestly we (and everyone else) rip on it too much. But... I have met several people from there that just blinded me with their stupidity. I don't think it was the country's fault but god damn were they retarded. Most of the people I've met were perfectly normal, though.
 

Ghengis John

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thaluikhain said:
Um...how does "love the people, hate the politics" work? Don't the US people have a say in who runs their nation?

Ok, sure, you can be sympathetic to those US people that don't fit the stereotype and actually are interested in their society and the world around them, but as most people in the US don't vote, they would seem to be in the minority.
It means if you met us most of us are warm, friendly, considerate and helpful.

When we vote for a politician they don't tell us "We will present a predatory stance towards others and their natural resources." But then again we have a limited palette of options. Italy has like 26 viable parties. We have 2. 6 or so if you really want to get creative but in reality it's 2. Furthermore we are not responsible for the hate-engine that US politics is, where candidates will tout a conservative politician's gay daughter or use the non-Caucasian status of an opponent to cast dangerous suspicions about his allegiance.

The majority of people in America are actually quite reasonable even though we do have our share of total idiots and it's not really uncommon for a total stranger to offer you aid, even if they don't vote. I was on my way to the polls the day of the election to recall Grey Davis, I voted against the recall (and lost as the Governator later came to office) but before I could I stopped for directions and my car died. Well the guy (an office building's gardener) gave me directions and let me charge the battery. As I was about to go he asked if I was voting against the recall, I said yes and he said "Oh well that's good, I would too but I'm not voting." Not a bad person, even if he didn't vote. A lot of people are lazy yeah, or perhaps have lost faith in the system but I hope you can see how that might work.

Meet some Americans, see how you feel about them personally. Some politician had said that when you meet someone personally, face to face, and spend some time with them, it's impossible not to find something you like about them. And it's true. If you met some Americans and you didn't like them, meet better ones.

TU4AR said:
Polite but kind of dim people, tend to have smaller views of the outside world ("You've never been to Walmart?! REALLY?"), seem to have a lot of faith invested in their own system. Also your economics and aversion to any sort of socialistic progression scares the fuck out of me.

Gonig there later this year, we'll see how much of that is right (well, I already know the smaller view is, because that's already been said to me.) I have literally had to promise that I will not get into any political/religious/otherwise idealogical arguments with anyone.

Also guns.

Oh right, Australian.
Well if you go trying to sell them your altruistic view of capitalism you can expect them to debate you. That said as an american, I share your stance on our aversion to socialistic progression. The word "socialist" is used as a slur here. No doubt because a lot of very rich people saw something that made a very great deal of sense and would cost them a very great deal of money and so made strides to defame and curtail it as it spread across Europe. To great success it would seem. I wish you the best of luck on your trip and as a practical matter I apologize in advance for all the questions you will receive about kangaroos, koalas, boomerangs, didgeridoos, your "accent" and Mad Max. People may also quiz you on Paul Hogan and Steve Irwin. I apologize again, in advance.

Kagim said:
I'm from Canada.

America is that country underneath mine.

Most people i know point at America and mock some part of it to feel good about themselves despite not actually doing anything good themselves. Its the place that my social studies class spent a solid twenty minutes mocking causing me to leave the room. When confronted by my principle i merely said "I don't think prejudice should be taught in schools." and spent my suspension playing video games.

Whats my personal opinion of America.

It's a country, that's not mine, and is an ally to mine. I think hating Americans for the loud mouths is as stupid as hating any group for the loud mouths.

I'm sorry if i was supposed to bash America, but i won't.
You're a good person for making a stand like that. I appreciate what you did. That said I thank everyone who has had something nice or in the least considered to say. For those of you who didn't I can only say, I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not like I don't understand.