camping, why does everyone hate it

[ThePuzzldPirate]

I don't have issues with camping, just ninety percent of the time, they(as in my team) are doing it at the worse time. If there is a countdown to when a bomb goes off where we are going to lose, If I find you camping, I will shoot you myself.

Another small I have with camping is it can completely stall the game, especially if it is an objective based. what is the point of playing a team game when I am doing everything by myself, might as well play single player.

 

[kouriichi]

I hate camping. With a passion. I think camping is almost an exploit. It takes no skill to hide in a corner and spray rounds out the only entrance.

I hate rushers. I hate them with less of a passion then campers, but i still hate them.

The best players arnt campers. The best players arnt rushers. They play a defencive style of locking an area down. Im one of them. My K/D in Black ops is 1.94. My win to loss ratio is .78.

Why is there such a differance in there? Because everytime i play TDM, the other team camps theyer assess off, and everyone on my team gets destroyed and goes -10.

I hate it because its annoying. Theres nothing fun about sitting in a corner for 7 minutes straight getting only 10 kills a match. You can honestly point out campers just by theyer K/D. Because it will eather be an absurd number, or a shitty one. I have a friend whos a camper. His K/D is over 30. He barly gets more then 8 kills a match, and his highest streak is 12.

Its pathetic. Hiding has always been considered a cowards way of life, and that will never change. Not until i get to make a game atleast.....

 

[The_Echo]

I came into this thread thinking there was some sort of negative social view towards spending a weekend out in the woods.

I instead entered a topic I actually have knowledge about.

People hate campers because they're annoying as fuck. Simple as that.

 

[Epic_Mushroom]

I've taken to playing TF2 lately, and often I'll play Sniper and find a cozy little spot from which I can watch over one entrance to my immediate area. The good thing about a game like TF2 is that there always seems to be at LEAST three different entrances into any given area, thus making the damage a single person can do whilst camping very limited. I often end up getting killed by another Sniper or someone more proficient in combat at closer range who managed to sneak up behind me, and so I believe it all ends up balancing out nicely.

 

[angry_flashlight]

The problem people have with camping is that people who just sit in a corner the entire game with a shotgun or SMG or whatever usually are not very good players who need to camp in order to go positive. Being killed by someone of lesser skill (or perceived lesser skill) than you grates on the nerves. Once you've been killed by several of these "scrubs", eventually you just start to hate them all.

The tactic of (what I call) Baiting comprises of the use of things like decoys, camouflage, etc. This is valid tactical play. You are pulling in (for lack of a better word) suckers, killing them, and making them come back for the inevitable revenge-kill attempt. Now I might get annoyed if you stayed in one area the entire game, but assuming you moved around the map and established different killzones, it's all good.

Now attack/defend scenarios are different. I fully expect the defenders to whip out the tent and marshmallows to protect their targets. I prefer to set up a perimeter personally, but hey, with a team of randoms, what can you really do?

The thing about CoD that makes me think of campers is that the killstreak rewards help you get more kills --> camping to get those KS. For example: in BO, the chopper gunner absolutely devastates an unprepared team. People who are not that good can hide behind a refrigerator or something until they get 9 kills (sometimes 8) then get on top of the boards through their KS alone. This was more apparent in MW2 with the nuke.

Personally, I prefer the camp, kill, move strategy when I'm not running 'n' gunning. I get around the map, but with a decent enough K/D (hopefully).

The reasons I like Bad Company 2 when it comes to campers are the following:
1) You can just blow up their hiding spot with explosives. Taking the whole building down with the camper trapped inside is very satisfying.
2) Tanks/Helis ruin campers days. Try hiding from an angry Apache, it's not going to work very well if the pilot/gunner is hungry for your blood.
3) Spotting shows the position of that person to your WHOLE TEAM. Now all it takes is one person seeing the camper and then the whole team can just blast them.
4) Few Killstreak incentives. There are extra points for 6 & 8 KS's, but not something like a deployable helicopter because you can get those off the start of the match anyways.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

Camping is not fun for the person camping nor the person being camped on. Games are supposed to be fun. Sitting in a corner waiting for people to walk by is not my idea of fun. It's also cowardly. The only reason it's a "tactic" in real life is because you DIE if you get shot in real life. You don't die if you get shot in a video game. Play to have fun.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

People hate campers because it's an easy technique that tends to slow down gameplay to a crawl.

I once had a pub game where EVERYONE camped. And when I say everyone, I mean EVERYONE. It was the most boring game I've ever played. The only time anyone was ever killed on either team was when they got tired of no one coming to their spot, and decided to move. Seriously, the game ended with less that 2000 points for either team, in a TDM game that goes to 7500.

That's why everyone hates campers.

I've had games like that before, you aren't kidding about how boring it gets.

OT: I think it's a hold over from the old arena style FPS's, where everyone spawned with a melee weapon and a really weak gun. Spawn camping in those games was incredibly cheap, because not only were you disoriented from spawning, but your guns were useless in a stand up fight. Fixing that part of getting spawn-camped is really the best thing about the game design change from the old arena style shooters to today's class-based shooters.

The most recent game I've played where spawn camping was a serious problem was Half Life 2: Deathmatch, which is still very much an old style game, and also over half a decade old at this point. In modern games, the temporary disorientation still makes it annoying, but it's not anywhere near as bad as it used to be, since the guns you start out with are the ones you chose in the first place. Heck, if you play TF2, spawn camping isn't cheap at all -- the enemy team can't kill you as soon as you spawn, they can only box you into the spawn area, which is a perfectly legitimate strategy.

 

[elcamino41383]

Clever camping like what you've said OP can be fine, but when you have a guy just sitting in the corner of a room for the entire match waiting for someone to come by, but even after killing someone, never moves. It's annoying because that guy isn't in the fray he's just in a corner on the map.

This is the type of crap people pull in Plunder Matches on Uncharted 2 multiplayer. This mode is basically a capture the flag mode. I've played quite a few matches where the other team goes to my base and just waits for my team to show up and kill us so we can't manage to get the treasure(flag) in our base. This team also never attempts to get the treasure and bring it to theirs. They basically just kill farm, which is not all that beneficial in this game mode because you get so much more money for capturing the treasure and so little money for kills. This is the type of camping people hate.

 

[Grey_Focks]

depends on the situation. spawn camper? go fuck yourself, or more accurately, fuck the devs who made a game where this can happen. The camping you described in a gametype where it's appropriate? Go for it, seems like a fine strategy, but don't you go complaining when someone who knows what they're doing flanks you and shoves semtex up your pooper. Camping in games where there isn't much point, or if your camping in games where it COULD make a difference, but your just in a random spot getting kills? Again, go fuck yourself, you're not contributing anything to your team and are just being a pest.

anyway, I always expect campers in CoD games, and they can be annoying, but not too much unless they fall into a "go fuck yourself" category. I think most of the resentment towards camping that doesn't fall into one of those categories exists because it's a pretty easy strategy, and it honestly doesn't require much, if any, skill. I don't share that sentiment, but meh, live with it I guess.

Knifers can go burn in the special hell, though.

 

[PeePantz]

Clever camping like what you've said OP can be fine, but when you have a guy just sitting in the corner of a room for the entire match waiting for someone to come by, but even after killing someone, never moves. It's annoying because that guy isn't in the fray he's just in a corner on the map.

My camping is short, I'll run to a spot, look around, wait for a minute and run off. If I kill someone I'll stand up and move on. Most of the time I have a shotgun and am running around point blanking people in the face.


It's the same problem when you play Rush in Bad Company 2, your entire team is snipers and you gotta set the bombs, but they're just on a hill sniping. How does that help your team? It doesn't.

And that's where camping becomes a problem, when you're not helping your team. You're just worried about your K/D and cowering in a hole hoping to pick off a few unsuspecting people so you can brag to your friends about your 3.1 KD.

I agree almost 100%. However, with your definition of "clever camping", I don't agree with because I don't view it as camping. Camping initially meant an asshole who would stay in one spot regardless of the action, and hide. Occasionally, they would get a kill or two, but they would have zero impact on their team. In games like Counter Strike, where you had to hunt down the very last player, this got so annoying and tedious when they were just sitting behind a crate.

The term, which is most certainly negative, became overused by inferior players who would cry about anything. A legit tactic like baiting? Fucking campers! Defending an object? Fucking campers! Sniping? Fucking campers! Taking cover? Fucking campers! None of these are camping and it really attributes to the fact we don't want to take blame for our own downfalls.

 

[PeePantz]

This is the type of crap people pull in Plunder Matches on Uncharted 2 multiplayer. This mode is basically a capture the flag mode. I've played quite a few matches where the other team goes to my base and just waits for my team to show up and kill us so we can't manage to get the treasure(flag) in our base. This team also never attempts to get the treasure and bring it to theirs. They basically just kill farm, which is not all that beneficial in this game mode because you get so much more money for capturing the treasure and so little money for kills. This is the type of camping people hate.

So they're defending a flag? If you owned a jewelry store in Detroit, would you hire a security guard?

I think it's just team strategy. Yeah, they could individually get more money by being a runner, but if they all were like that, they would all lose and probably make a lot less money in the long run.

 

[Benny Blanco]

There's some confusion between Snipers and Campers here- a truly effective sniper (both IRL and in FPS games) gets mobile fast after shooting people from anything under a quarter of a mile.

Remember that story about the guy in Iraq with a scoped AK47 and a pushbike who kept a platoon of US Marines pinned down for ages? He'd pop a couple of them, get down from his spot, pedal to a new one, then hit them from another angle while they wondered why the hell they were taking fire from a completely different direction.

That's a skill.

Most campers are just mooks who like to sit in a spot with restricted access where they can see passing enemies. As previous posters mentioned, this is OK (admirable even) if you're defending an objective but otherwise incredibly cheap.

 

[Lonan]

I prefer to camp because it covers my flanks, rather than just running out and shooting at people who have far more experience than I do.

 

[Nicarus]

I don't really hate camping, but it's annoying when people camp somewhere that gives them an uneven advantage (spawn points, landing areas you can't automatically react to, etc.). A sniper picking a roost to snipe from is one thing, but going behind a spawn point where no one can fight back is another subject entirely.

 

[CarbonEagle]

Well what your describing isn't camping, i'd say thats strategy. If you can kill them again cause they're assuming your camping more power to you.
It may be a little underhanded but apparently alls fair in love and war. (Its probably also hilarious)

 

[bassdrum]

ive decided to come out the closet about being a camper. infact let me rephrase that, ive decided to stay inside the closet about being a camper, everyone knows us campers like to hide.

basically im a camper/ambusher, in blackops i have ghost pro with a silenced weapon, i hide somewhere plant a motion sensor, lure people into my sights with a decoy and shoot them like fish in a barrel. i then hide facing my original location and when they come back to get me they get a tomahawk in the back of thier head

this is camping at its worst it manipulates enemies and draws them into a trap ALTHOUGH camping is such a natural technique look at a mantis, a mantis will wait until its prey comes to it, likewise a spider sets up his web and awaits his prey. it works because its worked for millions of years. evolution is giving us campers a helping hand

just remember dont hate the player, hate the game

There's a difference between this and camping. Camping is an asshole with a shotgun waiting for people to come around a corner and not doing a damn thing to earn his kills. This, while I'm sure you've frustrated more than a few people, is ambushing--you EARN your kill by subverting your enemy's expectations and using it against them. Granted, I'm not going to enjoy getting killed by you any more than I enjoy getting camp, but I at least have to tip my hat to you for the cunning with which you pull off such maneuvers.

 

[blankedboy]

Well, I get called out for camping in games that require you to defend an objective, I thought that was my role?

It's better to actively defend multiple points. That's also alot more fun than just sitting in one place filling up the chat.