camping, why does everyone hate it

[MR T3D]

campers make an arcade-y shooting game awful.
its team deathmatch, GO OUT AND FUCKING SHOOT AT PEOPLE and get shot at, have firefights instead of just killing some dude whom happened to run through the building you're sitting in like a *****.

CODexample:
oh, you camping in building?
good thing BO has tacticool mask pro giving out dots when I throw out flash or stunners.

 

[MortisLegio]

What alot of people call camping isnt camping its a defensive play style.
Camping is looking at one point(usually a doorway,street or a spawn area) and shooting at anything that crosses their path. Also doesnt play to help out the overall team effort

where as defensive tactics are where you use the surroundings to protect yourself and give the other guy no cover. helps the team by defending the objective.

Example:
theres an open pipe lying on the ground with one end blocked. a camper will hide inside and shoot only when an enemy passes his/her gunsight or spawns. a defensive player will use the pipe as cover to help out his/her team.

 

[ElectroJosh]

Camping was originally hated in FPS games like Quake where a person would hang out in one spot where a key power-up or weapon spawned. In those games you started off with the same weapon and had to find the better ones. In those games a camper would, for example, stand in a particular room which regularly spawned the same weapon, ammo and a few health packs regularly and kill anyone who came in rather than grab the equipment and go hunting. These guys may not win the match, because people would avoid that part of the map, but they still monopolised access to those specific weapons/powerups.

For this reason there are still people who view staying in a fixed spot for any reason as negative.

However with the "realistic" FPS games the real issue, as has been stated, is spawn camping. Yes a clever sniper pisses you off but you respect their ability to hide and pick you off but someone just sitting at the right point and killing everyone that spawns and then gloating at winning a match is a real pain in the ass.

 

[ClassicJokester]

I'm not a fan of camping by means of finding one spot and hiding there hoping someone runs past, so you can grab an easy kill.

What I am a fan of is holding a strong position while fighting off enemies.
I do what you're talking about all the time. Baiting people to come into your turf, and smiting them like the dumbasses they are. DO NOT TRY AND KILL SOMEONE WHO KNOWS YOU ARE COMING. YOU WILL DIE.

 

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

Camping, for me at least, is not "staying in a hidden spot" but "staying in a hidden spot where no one could ever see you or hit you".
I don't give a shit at how much "realistic" or "legitimate" this strategy is. It's not fun. Games are about having FUN.

BC2 solved camping for me, because it allowed hidden spots and plenty of them- but you're never invincible, even in the best corner ever, because someone could always counter it with an explosive.
Also, spotting. Spotting is awesome.

 

[DeASplode]

It depends on the scenario really. If you're objective is to defend an objective, then by all means camp. Why would anyone leave the objective. Like why would an attacker camp, waiting for the defenders to charge them.

Doesn't make sense.

Deathmatch games though, there's hardly any tactics and people run around like headless chickens, so I guess that's alright too.

Sort of reminds me of playing Counter Strike 1.6. Terrorists inside a building watching hostages, getting the most kills and the CT's call them noobs and campers for defending an objective.

Spawn camping is never ok though.

 

[General_Potatoes]

Im not all that great at camping so i just go assault and let the campers stay behind.

 

[soulasylum85]

i dont camp because it bores the shit out of me

 

[Theninja'skatana]

MMM campers a Ninja's favorite snack. Sorry was I staring?
I do a little camping but usually I end up hunting firesides (new term for camping possibly when there are multiple campers) Aside from what you say (Haven't played black ops) Campers seem fairly... predictable so only rushers or idiots who don't know the meaning of patience
die from campers. That said yeah it can get frustrating.

 

[Theninja'skatana]

Spawn camping is never ok though.

Truer words were never typed.

 

[ViperC]

For me, I don't care that much about people who sit in one place and watch chokepoints. That's the way I play. But when someone sits in a random corner, waiting for that one person to walk in front of them, that's what irks me.

 

[Drexlor]

As long as they are contributing, I don't mind.

 

[The Rockerfly]

I honestly came into this thread expecting us to talk about camping in the countryside

If someone wants to have an unexciting time waiting in a corner then more power to him. However I find it boring and I really do not want to do that

 

[ShakesZX]

ive decided to come out the closet about being a camper. infact let me rephrase that, ive decided to stay inside the closet about being a camper, everyone knows us campers like to hide.

basically im a camper/ambusher, in blackops i have ghost pro with a silenced weapon, i hide somewhere plant a motion sensor, lure people into my sights with a decoy and shoot them like fish in a barrel. i then hide facing my original location and when they come back to get me they get a tomahawk in the back of thier head

this is camping at its worst it manipulates enemies and draws them into a trap ALTHOUGH camping is such a natural technique look at a mantis, a mantis will wait until its prey comes to it, likewise a spider sets up his web and awaits his prey. it works because its worked for millions of years. evolution is giving us campers a helping hand

just remember dont hate the player, hate the game

I at times like to camp, but that is only for (and I cannot stress this point enough) VERY, VERY, VERY brief periods of time. It is a nice mix up of pacing in a game, and it also throws off my opponents if i've been playing a particualr style pretty hard in a match.

I think a lot of the hate that campers get is derived from, when playing against a throughly aggresive camper (yes, I know it's an oxymoron, but it's true), the need to alter your fundamental playing style. It's like having someone tell you what to do, and no gamer likes that.

As an example:
---Say you are a camper. Furthermore, say that is the only way you know how to play a game and receive any enjoyment from that particular experience.
---In this particular FPS, once a player reaches a certain level, he/she receives the ability to see opponents who don't leave a designated area for a certain period of time, regardless of if he/she has line of sight. (Essentially gaining the ability to see campers through walls.)
---Now say that this gamer were also given a gun that could shoot through walls. And, because of the previously declared ability, spent the entire match(es) hunting down you and other campers. Let's add that there are even a group of people, similar to campers, where this is their main strategy.
---Finally, add that these people excel at killing you, because they exploit the way you play. Because of the way you play there is no way to beat them. Without changing your tactics/play style their is no possible way to come out ahead.

Would that make you mad? Of course it would, because you would then be forced to play in a way that is not enjoyable to you in order to win. Either that or continuously be killed and lose every game you play.

That is what it is like to play against a camper. Unless the game is multi-player only, the game is designed to play, and the player is taught to play, in a particular way that does not include enemies constantly camping. The frustration comes in having to play a particular experience that the player did not want or agree to play. They dislike having to behave in a manner that is unnatural to them (and in some cases, learning a whole new method). It is not that player's definition of fun, and while it may be permitted and earn you wins and enjoyment, it comes at the cost of the people who dislike having their experience dictated to them.

Edit: Also, I do hate the player...

 

[WanderingFool]

Hear hear. Survival of the fittest

Agreed, as the fittest are not always the one running all the time. But I rarely camp myself, as im pretty bad at it.

 

[Guy32]

I love camping. Out in the fresh air with my tent and my stove, fishing for dinner and sleeping under the stars.

It's teh best.

It's clear that I haven't played an fps in a while when I hear "camping", and, God forbid, think of the outdoor activity.

 

[lizards]

first off, am i the only one fucking sick of the rationalization of "well people in real war do it" this isnt a real war this is a video game most people play to have fun

whats not fun is to kill someone, step into a building to reload and then as you step into it you get killed by somebody who was hanging out in the corner of the room you just entered

camping is different than defending a spot though, i want to clarify this, but their is an easy difference between the two: defending a spot is when you actively try and keep people away from the area you are in, camping is when you just sit in the corner trying to kill people

if you dont mind camping then you are either a camper or take the game WAY to seriously, because going around killing the enemy is fun, what is not fun is coming around a corner only to get shot by someone that is sitting in the corner

and i also say someone ask why people have a problem with campers but not snipers, obviously a very dumb question but whatever: what do you expect a sniper to do exactly? rush into a crowd of enemies? camping for them is fine because they are easily killed when you get close, except if its modernwarfare 2 in which case they will usally have some semi auto bullshit sniper or an auto shotgun usally both, overall though i think games would be benefit from just not having snipers

 

[lizards]

ive decided to come out the closet about being a camper. infact let me rephrase that, ive decided to stay inside the closet about being a camper, everyone knows us campers like to hide.

basically im a camper/ambusher, in blackops i have ghost pro with a silenced weapon, i hide somewhere plant a motion sensor, lure people into my sights with a decoy and shoot them like fish in a barrel. i then hide facing my original location and when they come back to get me they get a tomahawk in the back of thier head

this is camping at its worst it manipulates enemies and draws them into a trap ALTHOUGH camping is such a natural technique look at a mantis, a mantis will wait until its prey comes to it, likewise a spider sets up his web and awaits his prey. it works because its worked for millions of years. evolution is giving us campers a helping hand

just remember dont hate the player, hate the game

I at times like to camp, but that is only for (and I cannot stress this point enough) VERY, VERY, VERY brief periods of time. It is a nice mix up of pacing in a game, and it also throws off my opponents if i've been playing a particualr style pretty hard in a match.

I think a lot of the hate that campers get is derived from, when playing against a throughly aggresive camper (yes, I know it's an oxymoron, but it's true), the need to alter your fundamental playing style. It's like having someone tell you what to do, and no gamer likes that.

As an example:
---Say you are a camper. Furthermore, say that is the only way you know how to play a game and receive any enjoyment from that particular experience.
---In this particular FPS, once a player reaches a certain level, he/she receives the ability to see opponents who don't leave a designated area for a certain period of time, regardless of if he/she has line of sight. (Essentially gaining the ability to see campers through walls.)
---Now say that this gamer were also given a gun that could shoot through walls. And, because of the previously declared ability, spent the entire match(es) hunting down you and other campers. Let's add that there are even a group of people, similar to campers, where this is their main strategy.
---Finally, add that these people excel at killing you, because they exploit the way you play. Because of the way you play there is no way to beat them. Without changing your tactics/play style their is no possible way to come out ahead.

Would that make you mad? Of course it would, because you would then be forced to play in a way that is not enjoyable to you in order to win. Either that or continuously be killed and lose every game you play.

That is what it is like to play against a camper. Unless the game is multi-player only, the game is designed to play, and the player is taught to play, in a particular way that does not include enemies constantly camping. The frustration comes in having to play a particular experience that the player did not want or agree to play. They dislike having to behave in a manner that is unnatural to them (and in some cases, learning a whole new method). It is not that player's definition of fun, and while it may be permitted and earn you wins and enjoyment, it comes at the cost of the people who dislike having their experience dictated to them.

Edit: Also, I do hate the player...

a much less extreme opinion and less aggressive opinion than mine (the one above it) but a VERY VERY good example nonetheless

 

[Polaris19]

I don't hate camping as long as it's being used for a good reason. You wanna go camp out by that bomb plant site? Fine.

What pisses me off are the campers who hide away from everything just waiting for someone to pass by in a place where a max total of three people will appear in a round. Using it for tactics is one thing. Using it to be annoying = Bad move.

Also, in an objective based mode, I don't want to see everyone except me camping going for kills. If it's capture the flag, lets go capture the flag. If it's territories lets go hold the territories. If it's Sabotage, lets go blow that plant site up. You can camp to defend,, but if your on the attacking side, only one or two people max should be camping, if at all.

 

[ShakesZX]

I love camping. Out in the fresh air with my tent and my stove, fishing for dinner and sleeping under the stars.

It's teh best.

It's clear that I haven't played an fps in a while when I hear "camping", and, God forbid, think of the outdoor activity.

But don't you bring a gun with you when you perfrom the actual outdoor activity too? or is that just a "my family" thing?