Can this be considered rap?

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Sirisaxman

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Kottonmouth Kings is pretty sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3otq-F282eg

But yeah. Rap doesn't have to have a beat to be rap. You can rap over pretty much anything.
 

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xXAsherahXx said:
Typical Cats are pretty awesome. Those Eminem songs aren't rap though. For it to be Rap, you need a beat, and lyrics in the form of a rap. Those two are missing the first condition. They have melodies etc. instead.
Ummmmm they both have beats and he rhymes in them, So its rap.
 

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Hellz_Barz said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Typical Cats are pretty awesome. Those Eminem songs aren't rap though. For it to be Rap, you need a beat, and lyrics in the form of a rap. Those two are missing the first condition. They have melodies etc. instead.
Ummmmm they both have beats and he rhymes in them, So its rap.
But they aren't beat beats (for lack of a better phrasing), they are more, um, musical, not your typical, opposite of scarce, "thump thump clap, thump thump clap".
 

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It's rap. There's the general beat and tone of voice that SCREAMS rap. And I know because I was able to listen to it for a whole four seconds longer than other forms of modern music, twelve seconds less than country.
 

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xXAsherahXx said:
Hellz_Barz said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Typical Cats are pretty awesome. Those Eminem songs aren't rap though. For it to be Rap, you need a beat, and lyrics in the form of a rap. Those two are missing the first condition. They have melodies etc. instead.
Ummmmm they both have beats and he rhymes in them, So its rap.
But they aren't beat beats (for lack of a better phrasing), they are more, um, musical, not your typical, opposite of scarce, "thump thump clap, thump thump clap".
say whaaaaaaaaatttttt? there's a lot out there with sophisticated beats. like these two:
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Hellz_Barz said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Hellz_Barz said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Typical Cats are pretty awesome. Those Eminem songs aren't rap though. For it to be Rap, you need a beat, and lyrics in the form of a rap. Those two are missing the first condition. They have melodies etc. instead.
Ummmmm they both have beats and he rhymes in them, So its rap.
But they aren't beat beats (for lack of a better phrasing), they are more, um, musical, not your typical, opposite of scarce, "thump thump clap, thump thump clap".
say whaaaaaaaaatttttt? there's a lot out there with sophisticated beats. like these two:
and
I heard a very distinct "thump thump clap" in the first, and a not as noticeable "thump thump [pause] clap thump thump" in the second.
 

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xXAsherahXx said:
Hellz_Barz said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Typical Cats are pretty awesome. Those Eminem songs aren't rap though. For it to be Rap, you need a beat, and lyrics in the form of a rap. Those two are missing the first condition. They have melodies etc. instead.
Ummmmm they both have beats and he rhymes in them, So its rap.
But they aren't beat beats (for lack of a better phrasing), they are more, um, musical, not your typical, opposite of scarce, "thump thump clap, thump thump clap".
Rap is defined by the vocal style, not by the style of the accompaniment. "Rapping" is a vocal style, and you can "rap" over any music at all, or even without a musical accompaniment at all.
 

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BonsaiK said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Hellz_Barz said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Typical Cats are pretty awesome. Those Eminem songs aren't rap though. For it to be Rap, you need a beat, and lyrics in the form of a rap. Those two are missing the first condition. They have melodies etc. instead.
Ummmmm they both have beats and he rhymes in them, So its rap.
But they aren't beat beats (for lack of a better phrasing), they are more, um, musical, not your typical, opposite of scarce, "thump thump clap, thump thump clap".
Rap is defined by the vocal style, not by the style of the accompaniment. "Rapping" is a vocal style, and you can "rap" over any music at all, or even without a musical accompaniment at all.
I remember doing a biography on this old guy for Black History Month and he was considered the first rapper although his music was jazz. So it's more of a combination than you think. His name might have been Steve something...I can't honestly remember the name.
 

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xXAsherahXx said:
BonsaiK said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Hellz_Barz said:
xXAsherahXx said:
Typical Cats are pretty awesome. Those Eminem songs aren't rap though. For it to be Rap, you need a beat, and lyrics in the form of a rap. Those two are missing the first condition. They have melodies etc. instead.
Ummmmm they both have beats and he rhymes in them, So its rap.
But they aren't beat beats (for lack of a better phrasing), they are more, um, musical, not your typical, opposite of scarce, "thump thump clap, thump thump clap".
Rap is defined by the vocal style, not by the style of the accompaniment. "Rapping" is a vocal style, and you can "rap" over any music at all, or even without a musical accompaniment at all.
I remember doing a biography on this old guy for Black History Month and he was considered the first rapper although his music was jazz. So it's more of a combination than you think. His name might have been Steve something...I can't honestly remember the name.
Probably because there's something resembling rapping over the top. If there's rapping or something like it, it's rap. If there's no rapping it ain't rap. Simple as that. Artists such as Gil-Scott Heron and even Bob Dylan did affect a rap-like delivery at times so some of their stuff could be considered an early rap prototype.
 

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Swollen Goat said:
Yes, it's rap. But it's pretty good. I always like to toss this guy out when rap is mentioned:

I love you for posting Aesop.

And regarding the OP, yes that is hip hop. Hip hop doesn't have to be 100% rap, there is even hip hop out there without rapping.

I don't think that the 'rap' title does hip hop justice. Rapping is simply a vocal delivery technique, just like singing, screaming or whispering is. And just like those three things, rapping is used in a variety of genres of music. We don't call music that has singing in it "sing," do we? No. Then we shouldn't call music that has rapping in it rap. The stuff people are referring to most of the time is actually hip hop, which usually utilizes rapping. Just like pop often utilizes singing, and how metal often utilizes screaming or shouting.