How about an 11 year-old ish girl. Powerarmour THAT.CrystalShadow said:By the logic you're using, the biggest bad-ass around would be a 5 year old girl that can beat up grown men with the kind of build that Arnold Schwarzenegger is famous for...
(wait... I'm seeing the plot to about 20 different anime series now... XD)
So, careful what you wish for really.
Thing is, your argument implies that the definition of a bad-ass is someone who can fight, and defeat, something that should be well out of their league.
Technology doesn't change anything unless is gives you an obvious, and overwhelming advantage over someone in the same context who does not.
Samus and the Master Chief for instance, are both powerful, but neither is really that strong in context of the kind of things they fight against.
Eh, still the game balance is concerned less about representing the actual cannon strength of any of the fighters and more about keeping it fun.zealk said:you do realize i also manetioned the small squad of marines that took out a large group of eliets and a hunter right?Eldarion said:You do realize that most RTS games move away from cannon in favor of game balance right?zealk said:so your saying all the humans i spawned that killed the huge groups of elites in halo wars was a glitch? no, seriously... even in halo 2... with a group of humans i have done nothing and watch them take on the much larger group of elite's and a hunter!
Cause if the elites from halo 1-3 or the books engaged a medium sized squad of marines, they would definitely win.
... no that was the one time there was a hunter... every other time there was no hunter.Eldarion said:Eh, still the game balance is concerned less about representing the actual cannon strength of any of the fighters and more about keeping it fun.zealk said:you do realize i also manetioned the small squad of marines that took out a large group of eliets and a hunter right?Eldarion said:You do realize that most RTS games move away from cannon in favor of game balance right?zealk said:so your saying all the humans i spawned that killed the huge groups of elites in halo wars was a glitch? no, seriously... even in halo 2... with a group of humans i have done nothing and watch them take on the much larger group of elite's and a hunter!
Cause if the elites from halo 1-3 or the books engaged a medium sized squad of marines, they would definitely win.
Besides, you cited one in game example. Big whoop. That exchange could easily been a fluke, lots of odd stuff happens if you just watch.
Um, yes. XD.Ironic said:How about an 11 year-old ish girl. Powerarmour THAT.CrystalShadow said:By the logic you're using, the biggest bad-ass around would be a 5 year old girl that can beat up grown men with the kind of build that Arnold Schwarzenegger is famous for...
(wait... I'm seeing the plot to about 20 different anime series now... XD)
So, careful what you wish for really.
Thing is, your argument implies that the definition of a bad-ass is someone who can fight, and defeat, something that should be well out of their league.
Technology doesn't change anything unless is gives you an obvious, and overwhelming advantage over someone in the same context who does not.
Samus and the Master Chief for instance, are both powerful, but neither is really that strong in context of the kind of things they fight against.
Consider your point backed up though.
[nerd mode]Actually, the Chief's aiming isn't entirely his. The augmentations the Spartans got included enhanced vision. The ability to aim and shoot accurately at what he sees on the other hand, that's all Chief[/nerd mode]Buchholz101 said:Armor doesn't give Master Chief pin-point aim, and his attitude. Those are undoubtedly his. But taking rockets, jumping chasms and punching in a Grunts face is entirely up to the armor.
Half and half.
lol nice with the nerd mode, and good refresher, i forgot how good that book was, might have to go read it for like the 5th time now.The Sandvich said:Speaking specifically about Master Chief here, if you had ever read The Fall of Reach, you'd know that the Chief was badass before he even joined the UNSC let alone became a full fledged Spartan. The guy was a badass at 6 years old
[nerd mode]Actually, the Chief's aiming isn't entirely his. The augmentations the Spartans got included enhanced vision. The ability to aim and shoot accurately at what he sees on the other hand, that's all Chief[/nerd mode]Buchholz101 said:Armor doesn't give Master Chief pin-point aim, and his attitude. Those are undoubtedly his. But taking rockets, jumping chasms and punching in a Grunts face is entirely up to the armor.
Half and half.
Exactly my point. If you read the other books, you will see that even more.DrunkDonut said:John 117 was a baddass before the suit in my opinion after reading the journal I got with halo reach .MrDeckard said:Kratos had his powers enhanced by a god and Snake is all about stealth, while I would not consider Batman a badass, but his enemies are badasses. In addition, the Chief was a badass [i/]before[/i] he got the armor.
They do when you've got your DR up to 85 and there's a bunch of Super Mutants just waiting to be goaded into saying Super Mutant things while you kill them all.Palademon said:Maybe because it also takes courage to kill tons of things. Powersuits don't buy courage.
legendary... and yeah after three waves the FOUR mariens are done for...AjimboB said:Were you playing on easy?zealk said:so your saying all the humans i spawned that killed the huge groups of elites in halo wars was a glitch? no, seriously... even in halo 2... with a group of humans i have done nothing and watch them take on the much larger group of elite's and a hunter!AjimboB said:Well, that's exactly the point. Elites are way stronger than humans, physically, and they have shields. This doesn't make them invincible, it just means that they're a hell of a lot harder to kill. A normal human can't kill an elite. A group of humans can.zealk said:well hold on a minute! then riddle me this bat man, if he is just as strong as the elite's then why can the elite's be killed by humans? or for that matter why are the brutes able to fight the elite's so easy? the answer, their skill does shit against a gun that every one has! if your weakness is the thing every one commonly uses it tend to cause problemsAjimboB said:Master Chief's armor doesn't really do that much. Sure, it makes him much stronger than the average human being, and gives him shields so that he can take a decent amount of damage before it actually hurts him in any way, but all of the technology of his armor is reverse engineered covenant tech. The elites that he's fighting have all the same abilities he does, they're pretty much just as strong, and they also have armor and shields. The difference between Master Chief and the elites he's fighting, is that there are hundreds more elites (as well as other covenant, some stronger, some weaker).
Basically, Master Chief is fighting hundreds of enemies that have basically the same strong points that he himself does. It would be like Kratos fighting hundreds of guys with his same exact arsenal and powers, or Samus fighting hundreds of enemies that have the exact same suit and powerups as her.
Am I saying that Master Chief is the most badass character? Not at all, but I really don't think that you can say that he isn't badass just because he has a power suit, considering the odds that he has to go up against.
It's the same with Master Chief, all he has is enhanced strength and shields, it doesn't make him invincible, just harder to kill, and against enemies that have the exact same thing, it's a completely even playing field with no advantage on either side, except for numbers. That's why Master Chief is badass, because he can overcome the numbers.
I won't dispute Halo Wars, but the only reason that marines were any good in that game was for balance.
As far as Halo 2, whenever I played, all of the marines on my time were wiped out by the third encounter at most. They could barely fight grunts and jackels much less elites, so I really have no idea what game you're playing, or if you just have the best luck with jesus AI teammates, but I've never seen a marine take down an elite, much less a hunter.