Can you really consider someone in a powersuit badass?

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Dr. Paine

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It's not the weapon that makes a badass, it's how it's used.

So yes, if the person in the powersuit has done some badass stunts, you can consider them one.
 

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CrystalShadow said:
By the logic you're using, the biggest bad-ass around would be a 5 year old girl that can beat up grown men with the kind of build that Arnold Schwarzenegger is famous for...

(wait... I'm seeing the plot to about 20 different anime series now... XD)

So, careful what you wish for really.

Thing is, your argument implies that the definition of a bad-ass is someone who can fight, and defeat, something that should be well out of their league.

Technology doesn't change anything unless is gives you an obvious, and overwhelming advantage over someone in the same context who does not.

Samus and the Master Chief for instance, are both powerful, but neither is really that strong in context of the kind of things they fight against.
How about an 11 year-old ish girl. Powerarmour THAT.


Consider your point backed up though.
 

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zealk said:
Eldarion said:
zealk said:
so your saying all the humans i spawned that killed the huge groups of elites in halo wars was a glitch? no, seriously... even in halo 2... with a group of humans i have done nothing and watch them take on the much larger group of elite's and a hunter!
You do realize that most RTS games move away from cannon in favor of game balance right?

Cause if the elites from halo 1-3 or the books engaged a medium sized squad of marines, they would definitely win.
you do realize i also manetioned the small squad of marines that took out a large group of eliets and a hunter right?
Eh, still the game balance is concerned less about representing the actual cannon strength of any of the fighters and more about keeping it fun.

Besides, you cited one in game example. Big whoop. That exchange could easily been a fluke, lots of odd stuff happens if you just watch.
 

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I can already guess where this thread is going to lead:

Mister Rogers is the most badass person in existence. You can just tell from the way he ties his shoelaces every morning that he's had experience in wrapping them around his enemies' throats.

And that's just with his regular shoelaces.
 

zealk

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Eldarion said:
zealk said:
Eldarion said:
zealk said:
so your saying all the humans i spawned that killed the huge groups of elites in halo wars was a glitch? no, seriously... even in halo 2... with a group of humans i have done nothing and watch them take on the much larger group of elite's and a hunter!
You do realize that most RTS games move away from cannon in favor of game balance right?

Cause if the elites from halo 1-3 or the books engaged a medium sized squad of marines, they would definitely win.
you do realize i also manetioned the small squad of marines that took out a large group of eliets and a hunter right?
Eh, still the game balance is concerned less about representing the actual cannon strength of any of the fighters and more about keeping it fun.

Besides, you cited one in game example. Big whoop. That exchange could easily been a fluke, lots of odd stuff happens if you just watch.
... no that was the one time there was a hunter... every other time there was no hunter.
 

CrystalShadow

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Ironic said:
CrystalShadow said:
By the logic you're using, the biggest bad-ass around would be a 5 year old girl that can beat up grown men with the kind of build that Arnold Schwarzenegger is famous for...

(wait... I'm seeing the plot to about 20 different anime series now... XD)

So, careful what you wish for really.

Thing is, your argument implies that the definition of a bad-ass is someone who can fight, and defeat, something that should be well out of their league.

Technology doesn't change anything unless is gives you an obvious, and overwhelming advantage over someone in the same context who does not.

Samus and the Master Chief for instance, are both powerful, but neither is really that strong in context of the kind of things they fight against.
How about an 11 year-old ish girl. Powerarmour THAT.


Consider your point backed up though.
Um, yes. XD.

Actually, immediately after writing that, I thought of two things:

1. The anime Gunslinger girls (but they're cyborgs, so it's a bit iffy.)
2. Hit girl. - And you just demonstrated why.
 

Prof. Monkeypox

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I can see your point. If they're abilities are augmented, how much of their competence can actually be attributed to them? It might be fun to play with it though, have a guy in giant power armor plowing through enemies of bad guys only to have this exchange take place:

Enemy: "Oh, aren't you quite the man with your big fucking minigun!"
Badass: "Fine then I'll just kill you with my bear hands!"
 

The Sandvich

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Speaking specifically about Master Chief here, if you had ever read The Fall of Reach, you'd know that the Chief was badass before he even joined the UNSC let alone became a full fledged Spartan. The guy was a badass at 6 years old

Buchholz101 said:
Armor doesn't give Master Chief pin-point aim, and his attitude. Those are undoubtedly his. But taking rockets, jumping chasms and punching in a Grunts face is entirely up to the armor.

Half and half.
[nerd mode]Actually, the Chief's aiming isn't entirely his. The augmentations the Spartans got included enhanced vision. The ability to aim and shoot accurately at what he sees on the other hand, that's all Chief[/nerd mode]
 

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Are you telling me that Lieutenant Juan Rico, Terran Federation Mobile Infantry, is less of a man for his armor?
 
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The Sandvich said:
Speaking specifically about Master Chief here, if you had ever read The Fall of Reach, you'd know that the Chief was badass before he even joined the UNSC let alone became a full fledged Spartan. The guy was a badass at 6 years old

Buchholz101 said:
Armor doesn't give Master Chief pin-point aim, and his attitude. Those are undoubtedly his. But taking rockets, jumping chasms and punching in a Grunts face is entirely up to the armor.

Half and half.
[nerd mode]Actually, the Chief's aiming isn't entirely his. The augmentations the Spartans got included enhanced vision. The ability to aim and shoot accurately at what he sees on the other hand, that's all Chief[/nerd mode]
lol nice with the nerd mode, and good refresher, i forgot how good that book was, might have to go read it for like the 5th time now.
 

Irony's Acolyte

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Well when the guy in the power-armour can still ripe you in half with his bare hands, not his power-armour doesn't detract from his badassery.

A massive mech plowing through a bunch of unarmed baby orphans? Not badass.
A power-armoured dud going up against an army of power-armoured dudes armed with weapons that reliably ignore the power-armour? Definitely badass.
 
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DrunkDonut said:
MrDeckard said:
Kratos had his powers enhanced by a god and Snake is all about stealth, while I would not consider Batman a badass, but his enemies are badasses. In addition, the Chief was a badass [i/]before[/i] he got the armor.
John 117 was a baddass before the suit in my opinion after reading the journal I got with halo reach .
Exactly my point. If you read the other books, you will see that even more.
 

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The fact that the power suit isn't easy to move in, and that it usually requires that you be super human already is badass. Also, it's never how strong they are that makes someone badass, it's how skilled they are.

You could be able to rip an entire car in half with you bare hands, but if you aren't really skilled at anything, then you aren't really that awesome.

Being a badass requires that you are incredibly skilled in at least one aspect of your life.

Take the Chief for example. Sure he has shields and power armor, but so do most of his enemies. In fact in most cases his opponents are several times stronger than him, but his training and skill allow him to overcome even the greatest foes.

Samus also faces insane creatures, that would wipe out entire armored collumns if they were set loose upon a military force. She also needed to train for quite a long time to use her suit effectively in combat.

It really doesn't matter what I or anyone else says, because every single person on the planet has a different idea of what is badass.
 

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Palademon said:
Maybe because it also takes courage to kill tons of things. Powersuits don't buy courage.
They do when you've got your DR up to 85 and there's a bunch of Super Mutants just waiting to be goaded into saying Super Mutant things while you kill them all.
 

Badger Kyre

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Until I read the full post, from the heading I thought he meant power "suit", as in , business suit, and I have known some pretty badass folks who have to wear suits because of the "professional" environments they are stationed in.
WELL> shows me.
 

JaeKin

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I'm with the Bad-ass is more than just what you can defeat, a lot of it depends on attitude. I also don't think power armor disqualifies from qualifying as a bad-ass. They have to have some skill-set or ability that gives them an edge. For Batman it's martial arts training, technology, and his suit isn't made of silk, it does resist some damage. For Superman, it's the powers he gains from our sun. For Iron-man it's a complete lack of combat training, and a power suit that lets him fight.

As for my choice of who is the most bad-ass though, I gotta go with Spike. Martial arts, guns, and goes out in a blaze of glory.
 

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I usually don't think power armor is badass at all, now yes, in a the case of Metroid or something that takes place in the vacuum of space they are nessisary. BUT if you're like Master Chief and the ONLY reason you're super powerful is because of your suit then you are far less of a badass. Like you said guys like Batman are badasses BECAUSE they do not need special armor (Most of the time at least)
 

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AjimboB said:
zealk said:
AjimboB said:
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Master Chief's armor doesn't really do that much. Sure, it makes him much stronger than the average human being, and gives him shields so that he can take a decent amount of damage before it actually hurts him in any way, but all of the technology of his armor is reverse engineered covenant tech. The elites that he's fighting have all the same abilities he does, they're pretty much just as strong, and they also have armor and shields. The difference between Master Chief and the elites he's fighting, is that there are hundreds more elites (as well as other covenant, some stronger, some weaker).

Basically, Master Chief is fighting hundreds of enemies that have basically the same strong points that he himself does. It would be like Kratos fighting hundreds of guys with his same exact arsenal and powers, or Samus fighting hundreds of enemies that have the exact same suit and powerups as her.

Am I saying that Master Chief is the most badass character? Not at all, but I really don't think that you can say that he isn't badass just because he has a power suit, considering the odds that he has to go up against.
well hold on a minute! then riddle me this bat man, if he is just as strong as the elite's then why can the elite's be killed by humans? or for that matter why are the brutes able to fight the elite's so easy? the answer, their skill does shit against a gun that every one has! if your weakness is the thing every one commonly uses it tend to cause problems
Well, that's exactly the point. Elites are way stronger than humans, physically, and they have shields. This doesn't make them invincible, it just means that they're a hell of a lot harder to kill. A normal human can't kill an elite. A group of humans can.

It's the same with Master Chief, all he has is enhanced strength and shields, it doesn't make him invincible, just harder to kill, and against enemies that have the exact same thing, it's a completely even playing field with no advantage on either side, except for numbers. That's why Master Chief is badass, because he can overcome the numbers.
so your saying all the humans i spawned that killed the huge groups of elites in halo wars was a glitch? no, seriously... even in halo 2... with a group of humans i have done nothing and watch them take on the much larger group of elite's and a hunter!
Were you playing on easy?

I won't dispute Halo Wars, but the only reason that marines were any good in that game was for balance.

As far as Halo 2, whenever I played, all of the marines on my time were wiped out by the third encounter at most. They could barely fight grunts and jackels much less elites, so I really have no idea what game you're playing, or if you just have the best luck with jesus AI teammates, but I've never seen a marine take down an elite, much less a hunter.
legendary... and yeah after three waves the FOUR mariens are done for...