Canadian Study: Piracy Created by Greedy Capitalists

zehydra

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fakeangel said:
zehydra said:
"Well, my basic problem with the logic here is that these things are by no means a nessecity. Yes, the media industry is corrupt and greedy, but at the same time people in developing nations that can't afford things like this shouldn't feel justified in simply stealing them, or performing knock offs"

This this this this this.

People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
This is the most blatantly elitist thing I have heard in years and you should be ashamed of having this opnion
what I meant is that people do not have the right to other people's intellectual property for free.
 

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Dexter111 said:
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People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
People do NOT deserve water they cannot afford.

There's a difference. Who owns water? Why does anyone own water? People need water to survive.

PEOPLE DON'T NEED VIDEO GAMES TO SURVIVE
 

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believer258 said:
In your FMA example in particular, I bought the entire show for just 40$. 20$ for each half. They've stopped manufacture of those old part 1-8 box sets and are now just selling what remains.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=PCXE-50051 this is just about what it cost them for one disc. This price is only 5-10$ less for them. Here's what we pay http://store.bandai-ent.com/product_p/669198200359.htm see the difference?
 

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HG131 said:
dagens24 said:
Greg Tito said:
In any case, I'm glad that Media Piracy in Emerging Economies is attempting to discuss these issues so that there is an independent source of facts other than the information released by media companies. 'Cause, you know, they kind of want to think about this stuff the way that they do.
Too bad when I try to discuss these issues on The Escapist, I get suspended or put on probation.

EDIT: Sorry if I come off as bitter; I AM! >:/
Same here. That's because certain opinions are bannable.
I'm not sure about it...

I think it may be how you bring up the topic.
 

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HG131 said:
zehydra said:
HG131 said:
zehydra said:
"Well, my basic problem with the logic here is that these things are by no means a nessecity. Yes, the media industry is corrupt and greedy, but at the same time people in developing nations that can't afford things like this shouldn't feel justified in simply stealing them, or performing knock offs"

This this this this this.

People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
Yes, corporations are always right. Bow down to our corporate overlords. Do not question them. Obey, OBEY, OBEY!!!
I guess I worded that wrong. What I meant is that people do not have the right to the creations of others for free. Does that make more sense?
What about freeware? Also, sure they do. If it is not reasonably priced, why should they be rewarded for ripping people off?
Freeware is given away with the consent. When a game is pirated for free, then a person gets someone's intellectual property without their consent. It's wrong for the same reason plagiarism's wrong.

If I make something, and it's desirable, and I put hard work into it, then I have the right to do with what I want, right? Is it so wrong that I demand monetary compensation for hard work that I've done, especially in this harsh Capitalist climate?
 

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zehydra said:
People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
That may be a bit too severe of a statement. I'm thinking more along the lines of "People are not entitled to entertainment they cannot afford."

Yes, it's a shame and an annoyance that imported media in developing nations have such staggering prices, but does this automatically give the citizens of these countries the right to acquire these forms of entertainment, free of charge? Should they have the ability to take what we have to otherwise pay for, simply out of principle?
 

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Exchanging our opinions is all nice and fun. But the real deal here is that the software companies are acting out on these facts. I live in an emerging south american economy, and AAA titles are really hard to come by at stores. We only get the really popular ones, and mostly for consoles. If it wasn't for digital distribution I just couldn't get the PC games I want. And I fear digital distribution, but have no choice, other than piracy.
 

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believer258 said:
Eri said:
believer258 said:
In your FMA example in particular, I bought the entire show for just 40$. 20$ for each half. They've stopped manufacture of those old part 1-8 box sets and are now just selling what remains.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=PCXE-50051 this is just about what it cost them for one disc. This price is only 5-10$ less for them. Here's what we pay http://store.bandai-ent.com/product_p/669198200359.htm see the difference?
The original or the Brotherhood version? Because the fifth part of the Brotherhood version isn't out yet.
Original. But I did buy parts 1-2 on amazon for 25$ each, on blu ray :D Of brotherhood I mean
 

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HG131 said:
dagens24 said:
Greg Tito said:
In any case, I'm glad that Media Piracy in Emerging Economies is attempting to discuss these issues so that there is an independent source of facts other than the information released by media companies. 'Cause, you know, they kind of want to think about this stuff the way that they do.
Too bad when I try to discuss these issues on The Escapist, I get suspended or put on probation.

EDIT: Sorry if I come off as bitter; I AM! >:/
Same here. That's because certain opinions are bannable.
And so the myth of liberty of expression is crushed!
Don't bother offering an alternative analysis on mainstream sites,even if the people running them are open to different opinions,the people who fund these people are not.
Aaah,money...
 

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shado_temple said:
zehydra said:
People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
That may be a bit too severe of a statement. I'm thinking more along the lines of "People are not entitled to entertainment they cannot afford."

Yes, it's a shame and an annoyance that imported media in developing nations have such staggering prices, but does this automatically give the citizens of these countries the right to acquire these forms of entertainment, free of charge? Should they have the ability to take what we have to otherwise pay for, simply out of principle?
yes by deserve I meant it as synonymous with entitled.
 

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zehydra said:
Dexter111 said:
zehydra said:
People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
People do NOT deserve water they cannot afford.

There's a difference. Who owns water? Why does anyone own water? People need water to survive.

PEOPLE DON'T NEED VIDEO GAMES TO SURVIVE
Entertainment is not a required need for survival, but it is required for comfortable living. If you can provide people with a comfortable and productive life, they will live happily. The overall point though is that to say, "People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford." is a very closed outlook to not just the topic, but to also many outlooks in life when they'll appear. I agree that there's monetary value that needs to be offset, and yes, some forms of entertainment are impossible to experience without the money to fund them. (Good luck on getting a lapdance with pennies) but the form, packaging, and ability to receive entertainment in the form of TV shows, Viddja games should not be restricted to the rich only. Valve shows us that even their games can go to low prices, where anyone can pick them up and get to enjoy it at a proper set-point.
 

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HG131 said:
zehydra said:
HG131 said:
zehydra said:
HG131 said:
zehydra said:
"Well, my basic problem with the logic here is that these things are by no means a nessecity. Yes, the media industry is corrupt and greedy, but at the same time people in developing nations that can't afford things like this shouldn't feel justified in simply stealing them, or performing knock offs"

This this this this this.

People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
Yes, corporations are always right. Bow down to our corporate overlords. Do not question them. Obey, OBEY, OBEY!!!
I guess I worded that wrong. What I meant is that people do not have the right to the creations of others for free. Does that make more sense?
What about freeware? Also, sure they do. If it is not reasonably priced, why should they be rewarded for ripping people off?
Freeware is given away with the consent. When a game is pirated for free, then a person gets someone's intellectual property without their consent. It's wrong for the same reason plagiarism's wrong.

If I make something, and it's desirable, and I put hard work into it, then I have the right to do with what I want, right? Is it so wrong that I demand monetary compensation for hard work that I've done, especially in this harsh Capitalist climate?
If you demand a reasonable monetary compensation, sure, go ahead. If you're a price gouging douchetard asswagon, you don't. Note: I'm not a fan of capitalism.
lol all aboard the asswagon!

Well then, fair enough. All we have to do then is create a system where people are only allowed to sell anything up to a certain price, depending on who can afford it.

The result of course, would be that "free" would be the maximum allowable price, because there are those who cannot afford anything at all.
 

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El Gostro said:
HG131 said:
dagens24 said:
Greg Tito said:
In any case, I'm glad that Media Piracy in Emerging Economies is attempting to discuss these issues so that there is an independent source of facts other than the information released by media companies. 'Cause, you know, they kind of want to think about this stuff the way that they do.
Too bad when I try to discuss these issues on The Escapist, I get suspended or put on probation.

EDIT: Sorry if I come off as bitter; I AM! >:/
Same here. That's because certain opinions are bannable.
And so the myth of liberty of expression is crushed!
Don't bother offering an alternative analysis on mainstream sites,even if the people running them are open to different opinions,the people who fund these people are not.
Aaah,money...
Judging from the first few sentences of the first post I reckon they are throffing at the mouths with piracy hater rage.
 

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The poor pirate because they are poor. It's one thing to go after affluent first world people who can afford late model PCs and current generation consoles, and thus the games that go with them, but this? Do companies really imagine that vast profits lurk amongst the slums of Rio and Johannesburg?

This isn't going to change until the people there have the wealth to dream of creating media for themselves, and thus having something to defend. This took a long time in to happen in the West and it'll take a while in the third world, too.
 

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Calderon0311 said:
zehydra said:
Dexter111 said:
zehydra said:
People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford.
People do NOT deserve water they cannot afford.

There's a difference. Who owns water? Why does anyone own water? People need water to survive.

PEOPLE DON'T NEED VIDEO GAMES TO SURVIVE
Entertainment is not a required need for survival, but it is required for comfortable living. If you can provide people with a comfortable and productive life, they will live happily. The overall point though is that to say, "People do NOT deserve entertainment they cannot afford." is a very closed outlook to not just the topic, but to also many outlooks in life when they'll appear. I agree that there's monetary value that needs to be offset, and yes, some forms of entertainment are impossible to experience without the money to fund them. (Good luck on getting a lapdance with pennies) but the form, packaging, and ability to receive entertainment in the form of TV shows, Viddja games should not be restricted to the rich only. Valve shows us that even their games can go to low prices, where anyone can pick them up and get to enjoy it at a proper set-point.
I disagree.
Videogames are not required for comfortable living. Lots of people live comfortably without playing video games. You know this.