Capital Punishment

[kawligia]

The cost arguments against the death penalty are bullshit. When a person is givin a life sentence, they STILL get the exact same appeals process as someone who gets the death penalty. It STILL costs just as much money to wherehouse them, except when the appeals are over, you STILL have to pay to cage them like the animals they are.

 

[Virus017]

Sorry but statistics can't lie, its been stated earlier that it does indeed cost more, however the process may work. Maybe people will just fight harder in a court of law for their right to live? Then you still have to consider the issues of wrongful accusations.

 

[gupy77]

A lot of you dont know that people sentenced to death dont die imediatly they sometimes wait up to 10 years because they try every possible way to survive.

 

[inkheart_artist]

I'm trying to make a habit of reading through a thread before posting but god damn, tl;dr

I think its not capital punishment but punishment in general that needs reform. Putting people in jail with other convicts just makes them more dangerous to the public when they're let out. I like one of the Japanese policies of psychological evaluation and rehabilitation for convicted peoples. If you're gonna let them out at least try and get them out as better, more socially safe people.

As for capital punishment, why would you put a person away for life? You raped and murdered 20 women for that, we'll pay for you to live for the rest of your life. If you're doing something to the entire rest of their life, why waste everyones time and money in the process, convicts included? Are relics like Charles Manson so valuable?

You may risk an innocent dying, which is indeed grave. It means that the death penalty shouldn't be allowed to be something taken lightly, but life sentences just seem foolish.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

As I've said a few times before...no, until we have a totally infalliable justice system it's just an absolute no.
Even in that case I would go for life means life in prison with no parole for 1st degree murder, 20 years min for 2nd degree.
Also prison would be like judge dredd, just a tiny cube with a bed, but also have a large crank handle attached to a dynamo that they have to turn from dawn to dusk to generate leccy or they don't get fed.

 

[DoomDispenser]

Eye for an Eye, I'd say. I believe any one who intentionally takes another's life, deserves the same. Whoever has such a pitiful view on the value of someone's life does not deserve another second on our planet.

Question for you DoomDispenser:- If a man is executed and later found to be innocent, does that mean that the judge, jury, executioner, and prosecution should all now be executed for their part in intentionally taking anothers life?

Of course it does. As I said, the judicial system is far from perfect. Which is why I don't think we should have Capital Punishment. However, if there were some satellite in orbit that watched and zapped anyone that committed murder (just a random idea off the top of my head), I'd certainly back that up.

 

[Virus017]

Eye for an Eye, I'd say. I believe any one who intentionally takes another's life, deserves the same. Whoever has such a pitiful view on the value of someone's life does not deserve another second on our planet.

Question for you DoomDispenser:- If a man is executed and later found to be innocent, does that mean that the judge, jury, executioner, and prosecution should all now be executed for their part in intentionally taking anothers life?

Of course it does. As I said, the judicial system is far from perfect. Which is why I don't think we should have Capital Punishment. However, if there were some satellite in orbit that watched and zapped anyone that committed murder (just a random idea off the top of my head), I'd certainly back that up.

No. We zap them before, minority report style!

 

[Del-Toro]

I think that we should be more like China in terms of the death penalty, does someone who robs another of their right to life, or forcibly rapes them, really deserve to be supported by our tax dollars?

Agreed, China's executions cost next to nothing because it's all done either by firing squad or execution style to the head, on top of that, the bullet's casing and the bill for the bullet are sent to the family, after all, it was likely their failures that led to their spawn's crimes. The chair or gas chamber comes accross as incredibly convoluted when China gets what it needs to get done so easily with just a single round to the head. Since they die right away from that, it's somewhat humane too. There, problem solved. Besides, an innocent person may sometimes die, but really, odds are they aren't so innocent. I actually don't like the use of the word innocent in the legal system, because really no one who is being tried is "innocent" per se.

 

[EXPLICITasian]

i am sorry but i say kill all the sons of bitchs why sould a murder, rapeist or any other crimal live kill em all

Any other criminal? So shoplifters should be executed according to you.

Fuck i'm moving to Canada... Anyway I wouldn't consider rape or armed robbery justifiable to kill someone, but if you killed a person just for haha's then by all means cut the ************.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

I think the most grotesque part of it is that the person knows the exact date of their death. Imagine the terror they must experience as they go through it. I would propose a system where they are killed without knowing it- either by being poisoned, or simply by having someone walk into their cell and shoot them in the head.

 

[Virus017]

I think the most grotesque part of it is that the person knows the exact date of their death. Imagine the terror they must experience as they go through it. I would propose a system where they are killed without knowing it- either by being poisoned, or simply by having someone walk into their cell and shoot them in the head.

So the fear of having x many of hours to live is replaced by hiding in the corner of your cell, too afraid to move.

They know they're going to die, it's gonna be the same psychological torture IMO.

 

[Dancingman]

I think that we should be more like China in terms of the death penalty, does someone who robs another of their right to life, or forcibly rapes them, really deserve to be supported by our tax dollars?

Agreed, China's executions cost next to nothing because it's all done either by firing squad or execution style to the head, on top of that, the bullet's casing and the bill for the bullet are sent to the family, after all, it was likely their failures that led to their spawn's crimes. The chair or gas chamber comes accross as incredibly convoluted when China gets what it needs to get done so easily with just a single round to the head. Since they die right away from that, it's somewhat humane too. There, problem solved. Besides, an innocent person may sometimes die, but really, odds are they aren't so innocent. I actually don't like the use of the word innocent in the legal system, because really no one who is being tried is "innocent" per se.

Though the best part is the organs, they go to a good cause. I think that in the US, that we could do that right, the Chinese are liable to sell the organs to illicit causes, I think we would be able to traffic them through legal means.

 

[DoomDispenser]

Eye for an Eye, I'd say. I believe any one who intentionally takes another's life, deserves the same. Whoever has such a pitiful view on the value of someone's life does not deserve another second on our planet.

Question for you DoomDispenser:- If a man is executed and later found to be innocent, does that mean that the judge, jury, executioner, and prosecution should all now be executed for their part in intentionally taking anothers life?

Of course it does. As I said, the judicial system is far from perfect. Which is why I don't think we should have Capital Punishment. However, if there were some satellite in orbit that watched and zapped anyone that committed murder (just a random idea off the top of my head), I'd certainly back that up.

No. We zap them before, minority report style!

Even better, we should start our own government.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If people are left in prisons for life sentences, especially when prisoners (Like Charles Manson) live quite long lives in prisons, it means that tax money is spent every day keeping them alive.

I'm no Texan, but I'm still and American for capital punishment.

Of all the arguments used for capital punishment, the argument that "it costs money to keep people alive" has to be the worst of them all.

Putting a monetary value on any human life is abhorrent to me.

When you rape a child the age of five, you give up all rights to be considered a human being. This holds true with anyone willing to rape a child or murder another without extreme justifiable cause (IE: They murdered a loved one, which resulted temperory insanity would be one example.)

For the argument it costs more, once proven and in many cases it can be proven easily; forgo this lethal injections, medical needs nonsense and point blank shoot them; quick, effective and relatively inexpensive. If I recall the death sentence lasts a maximum of ten days in China, yet in the United States it can exceed years before of pointless applies attempting in more often cases to prolong the sentence.

Is this always the case? No, nothing is so simply black and white. There are times when a case is not brought to a conclusion with such haste, so whilst costing more initially to prove his/her guilt, it will balance in the long term with my aforementioned method of execution.

Prison should be used to house minor crimes, with exceptionally high punishment. Example? If you are caught drinking and driving you are immediately imprisoned for two weeks (perhaps even a month) without question. No you cannot be bailed out, no you have cannot call an attorney; in addition your license is suspended for a year. Further if caught the sentence doubles, so two weeks becomes a month, a month becomes two and etc. Give it a year and the drinking while under the influence numbers will be practically nonexistent.

Eye for an Eye, I'd say. I believe any one who intentionally takes another's life, deserves the same. Whoever has such a pitiful view on the value of someone's life does not deserve another second on our planet.

Question for you DoomDispenser:- If a man is executed and later found to be innocent, does that mean that the judge, jury, executioner, and prosecution should all now be executed for their part in intentionally taking anothers life?

And what if those convicted criminals were to escape and murder once again? The world is an unfortunate place at times and no matter the system we implicate a mistake could be made. If a person is imprisoned for years, no amount of monetary will rectify the damage and in multiple cases the system has already taken their life. While I in no way like what I am about to type, if the crime rate can be successfully lowered with the implication of capital punishment than that sacrifice may be worth consideration.

If one thousand rapists and murderers were put to death, never to harm again and the overall crime rate of the Country deceased due to harsh punishment as mentioned, would that not be worth the death of one innocent; when any of those rapists and murderers could escape prison and commit such a crime against numerous people? Would it be regrettable? Without question;

I suppose it boils down to two questions: If Capital Punishment in addition to the strict punishment for breaking other laws would be enough to lower the overall crime for the benefit of the Country and could your morals support it, even if it was given the inevitable possibility?

 

[Shadowtek]

capitol punishment, no... i dont believe in the death penalty. however, I do believe in a fair-is-fair policy. so in cases of, lets say murder... well, torture will just have to suffice.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

When you rape a child the age of five, you give up all rights to be considered a human being. This holds true with anyone willing to rape a child or murder another without extreme justifiable cause (IE: They murdered a loved one, which resulted temperory insanity would be one example.)

No. They might be an evil, sick and twisted human being. But they are human non-the-less, and thus are accorded all the rights of a human being. Once you start having more rights for some and less rights for others you have a system of inequality based upon superiority.

Prison should be used to house minor crimes, with exceptionally high punishment. Example? If you are caught drinking and driving you are immediately imprisoned for two weeks (perhaps even a month) without question. No you cannot be bailed out, no you have cannot call an attorney; in addition your license is suspended for a year. Further if caught the sentence doubles, so two weeks becomes a month, a month becomes two and etc. Give it a year and the drinking while under the influence numbers will be practically nonexistent.

my bold

Seriously? Without question?

If one thousand rapists and murderers were put to death, never to harm again and the overall crime rate of the Country deceased due to harsh punishment as mentioned, would that not be worth the death of one innocent; when any of those rapists and murderers could escape prison and commit such a crime against numerous people? Would it be regrettable? Without question;

No it wouldn't.

For a start it doesn't actually do anything to deter crime at all, as nobody ever expects to get caught when they commit a crime. Secondly every single person who is involved in the execution of an innocent is a murderer themselves and by your logic should die.

You seem to be advocating some kind of Stalinist society where the state rules with an iron fist. That has never worked in the past and won't in the future either. Many tyrants have tried, and ultimately all they built collapsed in the long run.

 

[Virus017]

The Chinese capital punishment system is condemned by most human rights groups, not just for the relatively minor crimes that result in death but also the speed of the trial and how quickly executions are carried out; can you think of how many innocent people are killed a year?

No matter how good the trial system is, if it's not perfect then innocent people will die. No matter how you look at the system. 1 innocent person dies, because YOU couldn't be bothered to fork out a few pennies to spare their life.

I actually don't like the use of the word innocent in the legal system, because really no one who is being tried is "innocent" per se.

You mean that it does not matter if a person is wrongfully convicted? If that is the case what is the point in trials?

 

[FallenRainbows]

Capital Punsishment in schools:

Youre half a second late, you made our 3 pupils wait,
But I was saving a puppy!
Save Youre excuses For jesus
NOOOO!
*blam*