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Captain Ethnic [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainEthnic] style superheroes are really something of a staple of the genre. They tend to be hilariously offensive more often than not, and they usually have very little to do with the culture they represent itself and more with how America the rest of the world perceives it.
Many countries, big and small, have such a "national superhero". Some have more than one. Some have a freaking army of such walking super-powered stereotypes (China, Germany, Russia, Britain...)
Say what you may, I felt a little insulted to find out that among all of those, there was not one "Captain Israel" type superhero! Do we not have enough cool stereotypes to make an offensive ethnic superhero hero from?!
I am asking you this: if you had to design the (/an?) Israeli superhero along the same lines, how would you do it? What would his/her name be? What about the costume? The special powers and background?
Now, some of you may think that I should be presenting these questions to some of my comic book loving Israeli friends instead of you, but I think that would be missing the point! Ethnic superheros, as I have already mentioned, must be defined by the world's perception of the country, with all of it's stereotypes, ignorance of the details, and poorly researched origins.
An Israeli superhero written by Israelis won't be half as interesting, right?
Note that I am not looking for Captain Geographic [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainGeographic] here. Everybody could just take a random off the street superhero, dress him in the flag and call him "Captain Israel". The superhero I am looking for is not Israeli just in name, it's very powers and origins need to be based on how you think Israel is.

I know this topic risks turning into a flame war very quickly, but I hope that everybody here would be able to understand that everything that's going to be written here would be fun for the purpose of fun. I am not going to be offended, so don't hold back. It's going to be an interesting experiment (I always wondered how the rest of the world sees us), and it's going to be funny.
I hope.
 

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Count Igor said:
He fires exploding towers, two at a time from his eyes.

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WHAT?!
I don't get it. Was that a 9/11 reference?

Because Israel didn't do that.
 

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Oh, got into trouble even faster than I'd thought. See how long til suspensions and banning take place.

But, I will say...how many mainstream media Jewish villains can you name of the top of your head? Compared to untold hordes of every other ethnicity, I mean. The area would seem to be far too sensitive to approach lightly, which would explain why nobody was game to do a Captain Ethnic for Israel.
 

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Oh, got into trouble even faster than I'd thought.

But, I will say...how many mainstream media Jewish villains can you name of the top of your head? Compared to untold hordes of every other ethnicity, I mean. The area would seem to be far too sensitive to approach lightly.
Magneto. He's a pretty big one.
 

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Their soldiers are all pretty much Batman anyways.
 

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Scars Unseen said:
thaluikhain said:
Oh, got into trouble even faster than I'd thought.

But, I will say...how many mainstream media Jewish villains can you name of the top of your head? Compared to untold hordes of every other ethnicity, I mean. The area would seem to be far too sensitive to approach lightly.
Magneto. He's a pretty big one.
Wasn't sure if he was Jewish or not.

In any case...that's the only notable one I can think of.

Oddly enough, he was played by a homosexual british man in the movies. This is odd, because the most interesting characters (Magneto, Wolverine, Rogue and Shadowcat) were all played by people from commonwealth nations, and the least interesting, Wolverine of these, was the only one to be played be someone heterosexual.

Evidently, we need more bi or gay commonwealth people in superhero movies.

Souplex said:
Their soldiers are all pretty much Batman anyways.
Not true. It is true that the average Israeli adult civilian is going to be scarier than most nation's civilians, due to compulsory military service, the fact that they have compulsory military service means their soldiers are are, again on average, less effective than those from nations with similar development and miliatary budget that use purely volunteer forces.
 

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He's not a superhero by some definitions, but he is a comic star who is Jewish:
 

WolfThomas

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Look up Moshe Dayan.
thaluikhain said:
Scars Unseen said:
thaluikhain said:
Oh, got into trouble even faster than I'd thought.

But, I will say...how many mainstream media Jewish villains can you name of the top of your head? Compared to untold hordes of every other ethnicity, I mean. The area would seem to be far too sensitive to approach lightly.
Magneto. He's a pretty big one.
Wasn't sure if he was Jewish or not.
He's Jewish, they finally revealed that he was born Max Eisenhardt and assumed the fake identity of a Roma (Gypsy)called Eric Lensherr after the war.

There was a lot of concern about whether having a jewish villain was anti-semetic which caused the vagueness over the years.
 

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WolfThomas said:
He's Jewish, they finally revealed that he was born Max Eisenhardt and assumed the fake identity of a Roma (Gypsy)called Eric Lensherr after the war.
Ah, ok, I see.

WolfThomas said:
There was a lot of concern about whether having a jewish villain was anti-semetic which caused the vagueness over the years.
To me, that seems totally bizarre. I mean, they've had all sorts of other villains, who presumably come from some ethnicity or other.

Yes, if there was a massive run of Jewish villains, it'd be a problem, but to have such a concern over one seems rather excessive.
 

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thaluikhain said:
WolfThomas said:
He's Jewish, they finally revealed that he was born Max Eisenhardt and assumed the fake identity of a Roma (Gypsy)called Eric Lensherr after the war.
Ah, ok, I see.

WolfThomas said:
There was a lot of concern about whether having a jewish villain was anti-semetic which caused the vagueness over the years.
To me, that seems totally bizarre. I mean, they've had all sorts of other villains, who presumably come from some ethnicity or other.

Yes, if there was a massive run of Jewish villains, it'd be a problem, but to have such a concern over one seems rather excessive.
Oh yeah it's totally not a problem in my books, it's just something they kind of never addressed because of that reason, I mean that said of all the super-villains Magneto has the best motivations, he doesn't want what happened to the Jews happening to mutants.

But for similar vaguely PC reasons they only revealed the Thing was Jewish a few years back too, which prompted the immortal line "Funny you don't look Jewish"
 

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Scars Unseen said:
Count Igor said:
He fires exploding towers, two at a time from his eyes.

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I don't get it. Was that a 9/11 reference?

Because Israel didn't do that.
Yes, that was the point. People sometimes associate all black people with 11/9 around here, so it was more of a joke for me.
 

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His special power is being able to force people out of their homes, into what are effectively concentration camps, complete immune to international law.

Ooh, I think I'm moving slightly out of fiction here...
 

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ravensheart18 said:
Baradiel said:
His special power is being able to force people out of their homes, into what are effectively concentration camps, complete immune to international law.

Ooh, I think I'm moving slightly out of fiction here...
Well you knew someone would have to bring the hate in...
Not hate. More like anger. And theres plenty to go around. I'm surprised I was the first!
 

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Baradiel said:
His special power is being able to force people out of their homes, into what are effectively concentration camps, complete immune to international law.

Ooh, I think I'm moving slightly out of fiction here...
George Soros did that for a living too. Except he was Jewish and did it to other Jews in Austria.
 

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His powrs would be to use advanced military weapons against his enemies, even when they don't have any weapons themselves and his 'anti-semite'-shield blocks all criticism, even when the criticism is about unnecesary use of violence and ocupation.
 

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Well, if we're going for bad stereotypes for his superpowers, how about the ability to do your taxes while knocking the crap out of the Pork Chop mutants with a studded bagel?
 

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Captain Northern Ireland, doesn't really have a ring to it.

He could wear a balaclava and throw petrol bombs at people.