You are implying that Susan's personal hype for the game has clouded her judgement, which is the primary reason why it got a high score (as opposed to the fact that she genuinely thinks it's a good game). That is an accusation of Fraudulence.mikev7.0 said:
Where I live fraud is an actual charge for an actual crime. I was trying to imply that no reviewer that was, in my opinion, trying to be honest and objective would give this game a nearly perfect score, and that what she says in the review itself as well as in her posts does not match the score. Take that as you will.GrizzlerBorno said:
Sorry mate, I'm British; I have no idea what "probably recieved it's advanced education in Oregon" means.mikev7.0 said:
The sex is all implied - you don't see anything more hot and heavy than kissing on screen. The story is about relationships, and the various pitfalls - and rewards - they contain. And of course, the actual gameplay has nothing to do with sex at all. (Erm...ok, that one boss is a sex monster, but you get my drift.)Xan Krieger said:
Logan Westbrook said:
If you took a moment to stop impugning our integrity and stepped away from this specific review you disagree with. You'd find that your implications simply don't hold water. For example, if that was correct then Duke Nukem Forever (which we ran 14 trailers for as opposed to the 6 we ran for Catherine) should have received a "glowing review" instead of a 2 out of 5. That game also had far more actual sexual content than Catherine, which you seem to support as the only reason anyone gives a damn about it. Likewise on the flip side, games like Terraria or Frozen Synapse (both of which only had a single trailer posted) were games that I personally really enjoyed despite them both coming out of left field hypewise.mikev7.0 said:
I agree. If normal is like this, can't imagine difficult. You really must be a masochist to play on that difficulty.Alphakirby said:
The joke is that the description for hard mode is basically saying that it's only for masochists so what you said fits the bill. Two trophies nobody in existence will get are the trophy for getting a gold award on every stage in hard mode and the trophy for getting all the tropies. (Yeah I have the PS3 version,but I like my PS3 damnit!)AbstractStream said:
More like keep in the stupid.. hur hur AM I RIGHT? *nudge nudge*mikev7.0 said:Can't you just go back to the whole: "I'm not going to bother to try and understand you anymore.." thing? That works for me.Catolf said:How... in the world can you disagree with a story that you have not even heard of yet.../ experienced. You know she isn't the only reviewer to say that right? Do you live in a tiny bubble? *pokes bubble*mikev7.0 said:Yes I do, and yes I can. That isn't for you to say. It is possible for someone who has followed games and their industry as long as I have to say and to believe that.Susan Arendt said:You honestly believe I gave the game the score I did because I was looking forward to the game? You can't be serious.mikev7.0 said:Well at least the admitted bias explains how this game got such a glowing review and a great score, seriously, I appreciate that because before I read that post I was wondering if I had demoed the same game.Susan Arendt said:Seniority has its privileges, and I've been looking forward to this game for ages. Also, John is no longer with The Escapist. He's off to China to teach English.RedEyesBlackGamer said:Random question: Why didn't John review it? He seemed to always be the one posting Catherine articles and loves the Persona team. Not cracking on you, I'm just wondering why John didn't jump at the chance to review it.Susan Arendt said:Oh, well...you will.Catolf said:Just grab as many pillows as you can! (They're extra lives.)
I love puzzle games really. I'm still trying to get a copy of Steal Princess and Atlus makes some of my favorite games but I have to respectfully and totally disagree with you about Katherine. Faithful or no, the amount you actually get to play versus the inane soap opera you're forced to sit through makes it difficult not because of the puzzles (those were easy so I really disagree there, too.) but because of the story and the characters that I could care less about if I tried really hard.
I think what turned me off most (other than the easy puzzles.) was that you don't actually get a choice about cheating on Katherine the one character that seemed to have their life sorta' together (except the bit about not having already left a wishy washy non-productive relationship.)
Isn't the Escaptist a place that believes player choice (especially critical choices) is one of the most important things in a game? Then again you already explained the high score so there's that. So maybe that's just Extra Credits.
Yes I've been really hard on Catherine, that's because I know Atlus and they can do a lot better than this. I'm not quite as eagerly awaiting their next attempt. Not while teams are producing games like Child of Eden that cost a lot less money.
It's okay Atlus I still really really like you as a friend.
I certainly understand your complaint that the story doesn't let you decide to cheat or not - it's necessary for the plot for Vincent to keep banging away at Catherine, and that's what he does, whether you want him to or not. Player choice is not the singlemost important determination in a game's quality, and the lack of it with regard to Vincent's adultery does not doom this game.
There are many reasons why someone might not enjoy this game - the difficulty level, the design of the puzzles, the overall weirdness, and the aspect you brought up. That doesn't change the fact that the story is extremely well presented and the puzzles are quite ingenious.
I said that player choice is one of the most important aspects of a game and just pointed out that from my experience it was lacking.
You're right there really are many reasons why someone might not enjoy this game. Too bad that wasn't in your professional review. "It might not be for everyone" doesn't quite cut it. Not when you give it an almost perfect score which in my mind should be logically reserved for only the best of games. The story being "extremely" well presented is a fact??!! That I will disagree with. Vehemently. It's your opinion and nothing more. That you would state it as fact only vindicates my doubt.
The puzzles are ingenious? The LAZER is ingenious. Fractal Geometry is ingenious. These puzzles are on the level of See Spot Run. That is only my opinion as that's all it can be. Well y'know unless you're you of course. Then it's factual apparently.
I have seen the story and (sadly) played part of it first hand. What part of "I've played the demo and followed the game since it's inception" do you not get? It's a typical loser meets succubus story except rather than handle it comedically they are apparently using Days of Our Lives as a filter.
An' leave my bubble alone! It's there to keep out the stupid.
Having played through it all, I could barely do some of the stuff on Easy. But on Hard? I'm going to go over to the corner and cry now.Alphakirby said:
This is true. I've set the difficulty to easy and am replaying the levels at higher difficulties in between nightmares. While I've managed to earn a few gold trophies playing on Normal difficulty, I have yet to so much as finish a level on hard.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
If you're having a hard time, then I recommend practicing at the bar in between nightmares. Even if you can't necessarily perform well on higher difficulties just yet, attempting to do so will at least push you to use some of the more effective techniques that you might otherwise overlook. Also, I don't know if you have read the manual or not, but there is an option to grant yourself "very easy" mode in lieu of standard easy. In order to activate it, all you need to do is hold down the select button on the main menu screen.Vinny Albrecht said:
