CD Projekt RED, greatest dev ever?

[Zannah]

Did CD-project make any *good* games, that have flown under my radar?

You mean like those Two Witcher games?

One of which was too horrible, to play it for longer then half an hour, and the other one *could* have been decent, if the game designers and writers where *anywhere* near as good as the graphics designers? |:

 

[Zannah]

So... you didn't play either of them for any length of time did you? : I

I played the first witcher for about half an hour before I gave up. Finished WitcherII on tuesday.

 

[Harb]

Greatest dev ever? Don't be silly, this place has already been occupied by Black Isle Studios.

 

[Savber]

Ah fanboys... they never get old.


The Witcher series is overrated (still 4 stars game though) and CDPR is doing nothing to push the industry forward besides affirming several key principles that dumb publishers like EA don't get. Admirable but that's the equivalent of an average guy not being a dick in a room full of jerks. Sure, people will like you but you're not really doing anything else.

I'm sorry.

Two games don't make you the best developers in the industry.


Valve is the only dev that comes close to perfection and even they still screw up once in a while. Bioware was once close but DA2 is still leaving a bad taste in my mouth. However, if they amaze me with ME3 and DA3, it might restore some of their credibility.


Now argue that CDPR is the most promising developer of the year and I might reconsider.

 

[mireko]

Question in title: No. The Witcher 1 is genuinely terrible. Even if The Witcher 2 is awesome (haven't played it yet), that's only one good game.

Question in OP: Hell yes. DRM is a plague. I'll applaud them for removing all DRM from their products and I really hope other developers follow. The industry needs to learn that it can't win the battle against piracy by making paying customers suffer.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Greatest dev ever? Don't be silly, this place has already been occupied by Black Isle Studios.

^This. But if Planescape: Torment is the best RPG I've played, the Witcher stuff is jockeying for second place. There's not a lot that can touch that worldbuilding. (Although they have a massive leg up since they're working off a series of novels haha.)

 

[DEAD34345]

I applaud them for doing what they have done, but it could have been even better with no DRM at all. I can't call them the greatest developers ever (and I assume we're just talking about treating customers right here) when there's groups like Spider Web Software around, making epic RPGs with no DRM, great demos and an actual money back guarantee if you decide you don't like it.

Our promises to you: big free demos, a money-back guarantee, and no DRM!

That's not even mentioning all of Roguelikes and Opensource developers out there, who not only create incredible, unique games, but they do it for no money whatsoever.

In fact I feel the need to recommend Spider Web Software here, if you're a fan of classic style WRPGs (which I know a lot of members of this site are) give one of their demos a shot, they make truly great games: http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/

 

[tzimize]

CDPR has created a couple PHENOMENAL games. Still, I can't bestow upon them the title of greatest developer ever just because it has only been a couple games. And regardless of their quality, quality + quantity beats quality every time. Which is why I'd have to say the greatest dev ever is a three-way tie between Valve, Blizzard, and Nintendo.

Valve? Its not like they have a bazillion games in their catalogue either

they have a fair roster
HL1,HL:blue shift,HL2,HL2:E1,HL2:E2
Portal 1, Portal 2
L4D1,L4D2
CSS,cs1.6 (wasnt there a condition zero aswell)
Day of defeat source
Dota2
Alien Swarm
Team fortress, Team fortress 2


Not Giant, but not worth shrugging off either, And none of them are actually bad. (l4d2 was detectably a cash-in but still not a bad title) Which is an achievement of sorts. And Most of their recent titles have had unprecedented Dev support (closing in on 4 years for tf2). So yeah his statement about quantity could be iffy, the quality is a non-issue. Even if you dont personally like the games (people who aren't shooter fans may not be interested, or people who hate multiplayer) its undeniable their good quality releases with good support. Common factors of a company to respect in our industry (and as far as steam for DRM goes, its design makes it unobtrusive enough for it to be a much more user friendly form of it.)

Partly true, but then again.

Counter strike started out as a mod so I wont give Valve credit for that one (even if they supplied the tools to create it), as did Team Fortress. Blue shift was developed by Gearbox if I remember correctly. When you take this into account their catalogue shrinks considerably.

Their main achievements are HL1 and 2 and possibly L4D/2. Portal was more or less a takeover of another team, as is Dota2, so hardly to Valves credit either, they are just decent at spotting talent. But as a dev, they really havent made that much

 

[AlternatePFG]

I haven't played either Witcher game, but I love Good Old Games. I still think CD Projekt needs to make a few more games before we can start claiming that they are.

 

[6unn3r]

Greatest ever? NO but they sure do have potential.

 

[Aethren]

Are they Bethesda? No? There's your answer.

 

[Goldeneye103X2]

Well, i'll certainly admit its a stepin the right direction, and others should follow suit.

 

[tzimize]

CDPR has created a couple PHENOMENAL games. Still, I can't bestow upon them the title of greatest developer ever just because it has only been a couple games. And regardless of their quality, quality + quantity beats quality every time. Which is why I'd have to say the greatest dev ever is a three-way tie between Valve, Blizzard, and Nintendo.

Valve? Its not like they have a bazillion games in their catalogue either

they have a fair roster
HL1,HL:blue shift,HL2,HL2:E1,HL2:E2
Portal 1, Portal 2
L4D1,L4D2
CSS,cs1.6 (wasnt there a condition zero aswell)
Day of defeat source
Dota2
Alien Swarm
Team fortress, Team fortress 2


Not Giant, but not worth shrugging off either, And none of them are actually bad. (l4d2 was detectably a cash-in but still not a bad title) Which is an achievement of sorts. And Most of their recent titles have had unprecedented Dev support (closing in on 4 years for tf2). So yeah his statement about quantity could be iffy, the quality is a non-issue. Even if you dont personally like the games (people who aren't shooter fans may not be interested, or people who hate multiplayer) its undeniable their good quality releases with good support. Common factors of a company to respect in our industry (and as far as steam for DRM goes, its design makes it unobtrusive enough for it to be a much more user friendly form of it.)

Partly true, but then again.

Counter strike started out as a mod so I wont give Valve credit for that one (even if they supplied the tools to create it), as did Team Fortress. Blue shift was developed by Gearbox if I remember correctly. When you take this into account their catalogue shrinks considerably.

Their main achievements are HL1 and 2 and possibly L4D/2. Portal was more or less a takeover of another team, as is Dota2, so hardly to Valves credit either, they are just decent at spotting talent. But as a dev, they really havent made that much

Yeah because they didnt recode the physics, or change the grapihcs elements of either of those. Or alter any of their engine to do so, their just lying on their backs all day. :/

I'm not saying they didnt DO anything, but buying a company that makes a good game does not make you a good developer, just makes you a good shopper. My point is that Valves list of great games is not really that big. I love Halflife, but besides that they havent really made much themselves. Covering a game in cel-shading-like stuff doesnt equal fantastic development to me at least

They are very business-savvy, and good developers when they finally DO something, but their list of merits is not as big as some might say.

 

[mrhateful]

Bioware still owns that title but if they are not careful they can loose it very quickly, one more.. no two more console copied games and they loose it.

 

[tzimize]

CDPR has created a couple PHENOMENAL games. Still, I can't bestow upon them the title of greatest developer ever just because it has only been a couple games. And regardless of their quality, quality + quantity beats quality every time. Which is why I'd have to say the greatest dev ever is a three-way tie between Valve, Blizzard, and Nintendo.

Valve? Its not like they have a bazillion games in their catalogue either

they have a fair roster
HL1,HL:blue shift,HL2,HL2:E1,HL2:E2
Portal 1, Portal 2
L4D1,L4D2
CSS,cs1.6 (wasnt there a condition zero aswell)
Day of defeat source
Dota2
Alien Swarm
Team fortress, Team fortress 2


Not Giant, but not worth shrugging off either, And none of them are actually bad. (l4d2 was detectably a cash-in but still not a bad title) Which is an achievement of sorts. And Most of their recent titles have had unprecedented Dev support (closing in on 4 years for tf2). So yeah his statement about quantity could be iffy, the quality is a non-issue. Even if you dont personally like the games (people who aren't shooter fans may not be interested, or people who hate multiplayer) its undeniable their good quality releases with good support. Common factors of a company to respect in our industry (and as far as steam for DRM goes, its design makes it unobtrusive enough for it to be a much more user friendly form of it.)

Partly true, but then again.

Counter strike started out as a mod so I wont give Valve credit for that one (even if they supplied the tools to create it), as did Team Fortress. Blue shift was developed by Gearbox if I remember correctly. When you take this into account their catalogue shrinks considerably.

Their main achievements are HL1 and 2 and possibly L4D/2. Portal was more or less a takeover of another team, as is Dota2, so hardly to Valves credit either, they are just decent at spotting talent. But as a dev, they really havent made that much

Yeah because they didnt recode the physics, or change the grapihcs elements of either of those. Or alter any of their engine to do so, their just lying on their backs all day. :/

I'm not saying they didnt DO anything, but buying a company that makes a good game does not make you a good developer, just makes you a good shopper. My point is that Valves list of great games is not really that big. I love Halflife, but besides that they havent really made much themselves. Covering a game in cel-shading-like stuff doesnt equal fantastic development to me at least

They are very business-savvy, and good developers when they finally DO something, but their list of merits is not as big as some might say.

ok 1 simple question
would we have gotten to play them had they not carried them to market. Answer no, so thats enough right there.

Objection! Speculation.

You dont know that, and neither does anyone else. This is a thread about good developers. In my eyes and interpretation, development means creating something, not buying someone elses creation and stealing the credits

If our definitions of development/developer differs, so be it. I've said as much as I'm gonna say on the matter.

 

[Nimcha]

Lol My this forum is full of crows, quick to be distracted by the newest shiny thing

Minecraft comes out "OMG GOTY, NOTCH IS THE BEST DEV EVAR"

Witcher 2 comes out "OMG CDPR, GREATEST DEV EVAR! COS THEY LISTENED TO ONE THING"

Are CD Projekt RED the "Greatest Dev ever"? Fuck no, what a ridiculous statement. They've made one series and released two games in 17 years. I've played Witcher 1 and thought it was boring as all fuck, Zero Punctuation echoed my thoughts on it exactly.

Hah I thought exactly the same thing. Also see BioWare, they make one game that a small group of gamers throws a hissy fit over and suddenly everyone hates them.

 

[EllEzDee]

CD Projekt Red can die in a fire for what they did with Saints Row 2.
And wasn't the game released without DRM anyway?