CDPR on Cyberpunk 2077 backlash

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

The "backlash" against Cyberpunk 2077 seems to be blown way out of proportion by a bunch of sinister reactionary ideologues the same way the backlash over... what was it, the trailer of the new Doom, was. It's people trying to create an imaginary enemy who hates artistic freedom so they can distract the public from the fact that they, themselves, are authoritarians.

Right? The whole shenanigan about the Haitian's and the weird ad in CP2077 was a thing for like two days when several gaming sites wrote about them, after that it died down and most of the hardcore "SJW" sites I visit barely registered it or talked about it. Yet the discussion about the "outrage" against CP2077 is still going strong. This thread is similar, with some people chiming in to say that they found it problematic, but the most active posters being those that call out the "outrage" against the game and being outraged about the outrage.

Personally, I don't trust CDPR enough in terms of writing quality to believe they won't end up with some really weird, unintended faux pas in terms of race, gender, sexism or ableism. With that said, I honestly don't care enough to debate it online nor will it stop me from getting the game if it turns out to be any good (which I'm much, much more worried that it won't be).

 

[Casual Shinji]

The "backlash" against Cyberpunk 2077 seems to be blown way out of proportion by a bunch of sinister reactionary ideologues the same way the backlash over... what was it, the trailer of the new Doom, was. It's people trying to create an imaginary enemy who hates artistic freedom so they can distract the public from the fact that they, themselves, are authoritarians.

Right? The whole shenanigan about the Haitian's and the weird ad in CP2077 was a thing for like two days when several gaming sites wrote about them, after that it died down and most of the hardcore "SJW" sites I visit barely registered it or talked about it. Yet the discussion about the "outrage" against CP2077 is still going strong. This thread is similar, with some people chiming in to say that they found it problematic, but the most active posters being those that call out the "outrage" against the game and being outraged about the outrage.

When's the last time you heard anything about Anita Sarkesian? Exactly; when she's brought up by people complaining about "SJW's".

The sad fact is that all of these YouTube channels have built their image on "SJW's ruin everything". So in order to be able to make at least one video per day they have to either regurgitate a once popular topic, like Sarkesian, or they need to make a huge fucking deal about one twitter post or news article/column that nobody would otherwise be aware of or would've forgotten about in a couple of days.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Still transphobia

Not really seeing it, it's possible to criticize the more fantastical gender identities while still respecting peoples right to transition between standard gender identities.

That's assuming it's still the usage of the meme, something you've yet to provide evidence for.

You're alsp purposfully ignoring the other, harder to explain way tweets and only focusing on the single one you can try to dismiss

The OK sign is a dogwhistle to White Supremacy.

That some people have run with the attack helicopter meme and taken it far beyond its original invocation is an example of people being transphobic, it doesn't mean the term is transphobic. Context is king.

This copypasta was originally written by Team Fortress 2 user Guuse in 2014 on March 17th, and was added to his Pastebin. Guuse originally wrote the copypasta for use as spam by binding it to key terms in game chat rooms during arguments on gender identity politics. In December 2014, Guuse posted a claim of authorship of the copypasta to his recruitment page on the European Team Fortress Two site.

Source: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-sexually-identify-as-an-attack-helicopter

It seems far more likely that the Attack Helicopter meme was, and still is, transphobic, but was also used to make fun of otherkin, people who identify as non-human, when they became infamous.

I did not say that anything is special about him being black that makes him more right. I mentioned it because those who usually do are now disregarding him. Never did I imply that him being black lends him or his argument more credibility, you just assumed I was doing that since that's where your head is at. You can show people being hypocritical in a person disregarding someone who they claim should be regarded more without agreeing that indeed they should be.

Considering your stance on these subjects, and you admitting you don't care about equality so long as you get your kicks, I'm gonna say BS.

I don't see how " whatever makes for a better game I support" leads to that conclusion. There's games like the last of us or horizon zero dawn that also get touted as being good for equality but I love them all the same because they're good games.


The key here is to not sacrifice your identity for equality. Every story can be told in an interesting way and I'm gonna welcome the manly redhead cave woman killing robot dinosaurs just as much as I'm gonna welcome the half naked berserker beauty killing demons (Velvet from Berseria is such a cool protag man...loving her more and more with each passing moment) if they're in as good games as they are.

Some people will stil complain if the good game isn't ticking their political tastes though, and that's flat out bad for games, as a good game ought be praised such that we get more like it, politics be damned.

The complaints games get generally aren't about a specific game not ticking that box, but gaming, usually AAA, as a whole not ticking it. Frankly, even if you don't care about politics it must seem bizzare and downright lazy that most western protagonists are white dudes with brown hair. No redheads or blondes, they are all just variations of the same guy. Yeah, sure, there are a lot of white guys with brown hair walking around in reality, the decision to design a character that blends into every other character.

What we're calling politics is the fact that I'd like to play as a black character every once in a while. That women want to play as women. It isn't actually politics, we just want to see ourselves in games as more than just side characters or romantic interests. I don't think there's anything wrong with that or being disappointed in an industry that pretends I don't exist.

My solution is an elegant one; I just don't play those games. I play interesting unique stuff like Nier and Asura's Wrath and Sekiro and the aforementioned Berseria. I don't complain about that situation, I just ignore them and go play things that appeal to me so I'll be happy. If anything, the people playing these games are the pitiable ones since their diet of games is very limited and they're missing out.

Also, as a brown haired Mediterranean guy I have never once in my life felt that I identified more because of looking like a character in a game. Trying to make yourself in a game is odd to me. In fact I find such a thing mundane and boring. If I have a chance I'll always pick something that is the exact opposite of myself. Like for example I was super happy you could play as a Qunari in the last dragon age and I was an orc in skyrim. I don't buy that you legitimately can't enjoy a game if you don't superficially share arbitrary physical traits with the protagonist for a second. If one really feels this way their tribal lizard brain is on constant overload and they need to reexamine how they see the world and life in general. Gaming is fantasy based on suspension of disbelief and imaginary situations. People with functioning empathy don't need to look like the people in games in order to associate with them. Hell, I often associate with other beings like dogs and robots and so on too, never mind people.


Finally, I see no point in asking Activision Blizzard to suddenly stop sucking and making a big deal out of that, it's better to focus that energy into positive examples of things done well, even if they have a couple fewer As behind them.

The key here is to not sacrifice your identity for equality. Every story can be told in an interesting way and I'm gonna welcome the manly redhead cave woman killing robot dinosaurs just as much as I'm gonna welcome the half naked berserker beauty killing demons (Velvet from Berseria is such a cool protag man...loving her more and more with each passing moment) if they're in as good games as they are.

Some people will stil complain if the good game isn't ticking their political tastes though, and that's flat out bad for games, as a good game ought be praised such that we get more like it, politics be damned.

Because even good things can have rough spots. Just as good games and movies can have points of contention, like occasional bad acting and wobbly dialoge, they can also have things that are just in really poor taste or racist or sexist. These are mistakes that need to be adressed same as techincal or narrative flaws, and ignoring these issues is what's flat out bad for games.

You seem to think that these things getting called out is the same as saying the game is bad, or that that's all the game is. Unless someone actually likes the questionble racist or sexist elements of a specific game, there's nothing wrong with saying these elements are problematic and need to be worked on. It is then up to the creator whether or not to take it to heart.

But saying these things shouldn't be questioned, I'm sorry, but that's just silly.

These sort of critiques feel irrelevant though.

Say you have a game with a racist scene or a sexist joke...well...is that scene good though? Is the joke funny? Gimme something here. Just telling me you're offended or something is over your personal line is UTTERLY meaningless in this context cause that's just your feelings we're discussing now and how sensitive to this or that crude subjects you are.

And no, it doesn't make those scenes automatically bad if they're offensive to someone with X unspecified tolerance for those subjects. Something can be offensive to everyone and still simultaneously be a good specimen of itself, even.

It's usually the case that people calling things racist or sexist in games conduct themselves as though they're criticizing the game when in fact they're just commenting on their personal tolerance of it in not a dissimilar fashion to how someone may find a horror game too scary to finish. It's a valid reason not to finish a game but nobody would say a horror game being too scary is a bad thing just because some folks lacked the grit to deal with it. I posit to you that the grit one needs to laugh at sexist jokes and what have you is much the same. They're not for everyone and they're juuust fine being that way to boot.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Yeah.

Not to mention the attack helicopter, did you just assume my-, and we will not be replaced tweets that give the developer/publisher as a whole a rather bigoted appearance.

Like how is cdproject going to create a nuanced and thoughtful take on queer identities in a dystopian hellscape when they cant not look transphobic on Twitter for five minutes?

Now you're assuming that people accept this ideology in the first place. The majority of people think all that queer identity whatever whatever is nonsense. Those who do believe it are precisely the ones the majority of us want nowhere near this game's development. I hope they do not create "a nuanced and thoughtful" whatever, I don't want this nonsense in the game. It doesn't matter whether or not one even agrees with the ideology, but modern leftist propaganda does not need to be in our games.

 

[Casual Shinji]

These sort of critiques feel irrelevant though.

Say you have a game with a racist scene or a sexist joke...well...is that scene good though? Is the joke funny? Gimme something here. Just telling me you're offended or something is over your personal line is UTTERLY meaningless in this context cause that's just your feelings we're discussing now and how sensitive to this or that crude subjects you are.

And no, it doesn't make those scenes automatically bad if they're offensive to someone with X unspecified tolerance for those subjects. Something can be offensive to everyone and still simultaneously be a good specimen of itself, even.

It's usually the case that people calling things racist or sexist in games conduct themselves as though they're criticizing the game when in fact they're just commenting on their personal tolerance of it in not a dissimilar fashion to how someone may find a horror game too scary to finish. It's a valid reason not to finish a game but nobody would say a horror game being too scary is a bad thing just because some folks lacked the grit to deal with it. I posit to you that the grit one needs to laugh at sexist jokes and what have you is much the same. They're not for everyone and they're juuust fine being that way to boot.

By that definition any critique is irrelevant. Saying a game's graphics are terrible while someone else claims that it's how it was intended or adds to the charm. Or how a game controls clunky and stiff, but no that just makes it feel more real. But even that is at least an argument and invites conversation on the matter. What you're suggesting is that if it regards sexism or racism in fiction people should just shut up, because it's their problem being offended. And if you're offended your opinion is somehow invalid.

Even if people calling out racist or sexist elements in fiction is them revealing their own personal tolerance, what's wrong with taking their opinion into account? Sharing opinions is generally how we grow and gain new insights. Shutting people down because they dare be offended by something is how society stagnates.

The horror comparison makes no sense because fictional horror by itself doesn't create or perpetuate negative views of specific groups of people, fiction that glorifies racism, sexism, or transphobia does. But hey, let's say it makes even a shred of sense, than it's prefectly valid to criticize a piece of horror fiction for being too obnoxious, i.e. overly shocking in its depiction of its horror themes.

 

[Erttheking]

Yeah.

Not to mention the attack helicopter, did you just assume my-, and we will not be replaced tweets that give the developer/publisher as a whole a rather bigoted appearance.

Like how is cdproject going to create a nuanced and thoughtful take on queer identities in a dystopian hellscape when they cant not look transphobic on Twitter for five minutes?

Now you're assuming that people accept this ideology in the first place. The majority of people think all that queer identity whatever whatever is nonsense. Those who do believe it are precisely the ones the majority of us want nowhere near this game's development. I hope they do not create "a nuanced and thoughtful" whatever, I don't want this nonsense in the game. It doesn't matter whether or not one even agrees with the ideology, but modern leftist propaganda does not need to be in our games.

LGBTQ mindsets are leftist propaganda?

My oh my. The truth comes out.

Be nice if people took this as seriously as someone on the internet not liking the latest bleep bloop simulator.

 

[McElroy]

That pocket rocket is too big for anything else than an augment. In a world where sexually exploitative marketing is prominent and the sexual characteristics of people don't conform as much as they do here and now I could see that as a part of a larger advertisement. Like you'd have other ads with other "mixed up" styles and one in which they're all together.

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

CDPR refused to bend the knee to the social justice mafia during the Witcher 3 controversy, so the dirty, dirty smear merchants of the "games media" are coming out all guns blazing to try to do as much damage to the brand as they can.

 

[Abomination]

Yeah.

Not to mention the attack helicopter, did you just assume my-, and we will not be replaced tweets that give the developer/publisher as a whole a rather bigoted appearance.

Like how is cdproject going to create a nuanced and thoughtful take on queer identities in a dystopian hellscape when they cant not look transphobic on Twitter for five minutes?

Now you're assuming that people accept this ideology in the first place. The majority of people think all that queer identity whatever whatever is nonsense. Those who do believe it are precisely the ones the majority of us want nowhere near this game's development. I hope they do not create "a nuanced and thoughtful" whatever, I don't want this nonsense in the game. It doesn't matter whether or not one even agrees with the ideology, but modern leftist propaganda does not need to be in our games.

Christ on a cracker, I am in reference to people who claim there are "third+" genders or that they are literally animals in a human body. Not that trans ideology is nonsense. You know, when things start getting absurd is where the attack helicopters come in to play.

 

[Casual Shinji]

CDPR refused to bend the knee to the social justice mafia during the Witcher 3 controversy, so the dirty, dirty smear merchants of the "games media" are coming out all guns blazing to try to do as much damage to the brand as they can.

Where exactly are these blazing guns, because I haven't seen much of it other than the many, many YouTube videos talking about the apparent blazing guns.

You'd think with how prevelent the social justice maffia seemingly is I couldn't go a day on YouTube without bumping into one of their dirty, dirty smear videos, and yet.. nothing, like, at all.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

What I?m wondering is why there never seemed to be nearly as much complaining about The Witcher 3, which is far more white-centric and less diverse. Maybe the gaming climate wasn?t quite so sensitive yet back in 2015. But then again Gamergate was right around that time IIRC.

There was a hullabaloo about TW3 too, including a discussion on this forum. The social justice types attacked that one too, and they're trying again now. I think it's lucky that it's not an american company, or they might've pandered already.

These people complaining will go their lives never creating anything of note, just moaning about the creations of better people than them. They are the racists and bigots of our time, using a veneer of perpetual offence to display their "virtue". They only see the world thru a prism of skin colour and anything not adhering to their views they form a mob and gang up on it. Often these aren't the people who even buy games, just moan about them. Even irrelevant fossil Sarkeesian is trying to extort money from them and get her talons in. Best reply, "They've got the bloke who designed the Cyberpunk game setting in the first place, so I think they're fine." 😁

I?m really curious to see how the Witcher series on Netflix turns out, because there was a lot of racial controversy there too involving casting. Mostly with supporting characters though. I think everyone might be in agreement that Henry Cavill as Geralt was a pretty terrible choice.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

You know, when things start getting absurd is where the attack helicopters come in to play.

I'm no expert on this one so please correct me if I'm mistaken, but my understanding is that the helicopter joke is deliberately absurd in order to poke fun at the absurdity of the notion that people can claim to be anything they want and that the world must accommodate the claim, no matter how outlandish. I don't care for this kind of thing personally but I don't object to making jokes, even distasteful ones, nor for the social justice ideologies, so I'll defend people's right to make it as a matter of principle.

This issue isn't about gender identity nonsense tho, the issue is the outrage around this game originating from the perpetually offended social justice types who want to get their ideologies into games, demonise anyone and anything that doesn't conform to said ideology and, in this instance, they are the last people fans want anywhere near it. I think this one is a race thing anyway, not a gender thing.

LGBTQ mindsets are leftist propaganda?

My oh my. The truth comes out.

Be nice if people took this as seriously as someone on the internet not liking the latest bleep bloop simulator.

What?

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

"Yongyea"

And right out the gates this argument has collapsed. Forgetting how Cyberpunk's actual designer has nothing to do with CDPR game or the fact that POC can in fact be bigots. Seriously, CDPR needs to get its shit together. Doesn't give me high hopes for the game

 

[Hawki]

I think everyone might be in agreement that Henry Cavill as Geralt was a pretty terrible choice.

He's no stranger to wearing armour and holding a sword, so...there's that I guess?

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

I?m really curious to see how the Witcher series on Netflix turns out, because there was a lot of racial controversy there too involving casting. Mostly with supporting characters though. I think everyone might be in agreement that Henry Cavill as Geralt was a pretty terrible choice.

The first few episodes will answer most questions. I'm less fussed about that and more interested in the other issues facing it. Personally, I'm interested in stories and storytelling and my main criticisms about any fictional work will start with issues with the story. Do things make sense, do characters behave believably, does the plot flow naturally or is it contrived?

The Witcher is a polish fantasy series and has slavic folklore-ish roots as evident as Lord of the Rings was distinctly British. Netflix is american and so are the show's producers. I don't know how much, if any, Polish or author's own help they'll get, but I wonder how much will be "lost in translation". In the same way Steve McQueen was put into The Great Escape because the american studios wanted an american star their target audiences could identify with, will some or all of the world or its lore be "americanised", or watered down, or made-for-TV? Does that make sense? Will it be PG, or will it have the violence and sex that HBO shows like GoT put on display? Will they downplay the racism towards non-humans, or paint the scoia'tael as purely the good-guy underdogs?

As for Henry Cavill...it is an odd choice. I actually don't think he was an awful Superman. He was a terrible Clark Kent, and the DC films he was in were awful, but he's a decent enough actor and should at least have the chance to see if he can pull off being a leading man. He's probably a bit too young and handsome to play a middle-aged, scarred Witcher, but I'll reserve judgement on it. I hope they don't put contemporary politics in, but we won't know until it airs. If they do, they'll lose some viewers but maybe keep enough to get a second season. Star Trek: Discovery went full social justice and is surrounded by a quagmire of controversy and hurdle after another. It got a season 3 though so someone must be watching it.

I think Henry Cavill was really trying to get off the sinking DCCU ship before it wrecked his career. I think the official line was that they were unable to agree on contract negotiations but his two films, MoS and BvS were widely hated. I blame Snyder for those tho. Apparently Aquaman did well at the box office apparently, tho when I heard there was a CGI shark fight I realised I wouldn't be buying a ticket.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

CDPR refused to bend the knee to the social justice mafia during the Witcher 3 controversy, so the dirty, dirty smear merchants of the "games media" are coming out all guns blazing to try to do as much damage to the brand as they can.

Where exactly are these blazing guns, because I haven't seen much of it other than the many, many YouTube videos talking about the apparent blazing guns.

You'd think with how prevelent the social justice maffia seemingly is I couldn't go a day on YouTube without bumping into one of their dirty, dirty smear videos, and yet.. nothing, like, at all.

I actually follow the people whomst every anti-SJW YouTuber is yelling at and yeah, they're small potatoes. It's not quite Fake Doom outrage, but it's close.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

LGBTQ mindsets are leftist propaganda?

My oh my. The truth comes out.

Be nice if people took this as seriously as someone on the internet not liking the latest bleep bloop simulator.

What?

That "modern leftist propaganda" has been a part of cyberpunk for literally 40-50 years, and largely just consists of queer people getting bodies that make them comfortable. Hell, Dirty Pair's episode with the trans lady and the revelation that sex changes were common in their world is almost as old as I am.

 

[CaitSeith]

Is Cyberpunk 2077 released yet? No? Then you all better cite your sources, because all this sounds too sketchy.

Something like this then?
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2019/06/12/cyberpunk-2077-ad-controversy-response/#/slide/1

Very grateful. I just saw the in-world poster, and now I see from where both sides are coming from.

When asked to address the concerns of those offended by the poster, Redesiuk said it was never the studio's "intention to offend anyone." The ad was meant to "show how oversexualization of people is bad. And that's it."

"I think that sexy bodies are sexy. Full disclosure: I love female bodies. I love male bodies. I love bodies in between. This is who I am. However, I hate it when it's used commercially. And that's exactly what we want to show by doing this exactly, by showing how big corporations use people's bodies against them."

I also find a pinch of irony in the intended subtextual message.

As a side note. part of why some trans people took umbrage is that the game was not allowing trans player characters, and the devs worded it in a way that was like 'no trans period. SAo to be told 'you cant be in the game' and then see the ad, some got rather irked. Now trans and non binary playable characters are being implemented, which comes across as a step up, but some are a little... uncertain they'll handle the option well, not helped by a poorly worded statement on another subject.

Now, a big part of Cyberpunk in general is bionics and transhumanism - does replacing and upgrading your body with cybernetics etc make you something other than human? do you become less than human, or something more.

Cyberpunk the TTRPG represented this with Humanity - you had a humanity stat at character creation you set, and augmenting your body in any way cost humanity, with the idea you were developing mental illnesses and becoming less human as it dropped, and if it hit zero, your character was removed from your control and you made a new one. It hit the transhumanist theme, and acted as a way to keep munchkins and power gamers in check, so they couldn't just turn themselves into indestructible killing machines, though by giving transhumanism an explicitly an negative connotation.

Elegant for an 80's TTRPG, a bit unfortunate in the 21st century where you have amputees and disabled people using prosthetic limbs, hearing implants, pacemakers, etc.

An article talking about the use of nudity in the game had a CDPR rep explaining that the naked npc you were rescuing had 'profaned' her 'sacred body' with augments, and you needed to judge if she was 'too far gone' and not human anymore, indicating their bringing the humanity mechanic in unchanged, without really thinking about how it would come across in the modern day.

That PR sounds like the perfect recipe for "Yikes!" all over social media.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

These sort of critiques feel irrelevant though.

Say you have a game with a racist scene or a sexist joke...well...is that scene good though? Is the joke funny? Gimme something here. Just telling me you're offended or something is over your personal line is UTTERLY meaningless in this context cause that's just your feelings we're discussing now and how sensitive to this or that crude subjects you are.

And no, it doesn't make those scenes automatically bad if they're offensive to someone with X unspecified tolerance for those subjects. Something can be offensive to everyone and still simultaneously be a good specimen of itself, even.

It's usually the case that people calling things racist or sexist in games conduct themselves as though they're criticizing the game when in fact they're just commenting on their personal tolerance of it in not a dissimilar fashion to how someone may find a horror game too scary to finish. It's a valid reason not to finish a game but nobody would say a horror game being too scary is a bad thing just because some folks lacked the grit to deal with it. I posit to you that the grit one needs to laugh at sexist jokes and what have you is much the same. They're not for everyone and they're juuust fine being that way to boot.

By that definition any critique is irrelevant. Saying a game's graphics are terrible while someone else claims that it's how it was intended or adds to the charm. Or how a game controls clunky and stiff, but no that just makes it feel more real. But even that is at least an argument and invites conversation on the matter. What you're suggesting is that if it regards sexism or racism in fiction people should just shut up, because it's their problem being offended. And if you're offended your opinion is somehow invalid.

Even if people calling out racist or sexist elements in fiction is them revealing their own personal tolerance, what's wrong with taking their opinion into account? Sharing opinions is generally how we grow and gain new insights. Shutting people down because they dare be offended by something is how society stagnates.

The horror comparison makes no sense because fictional horror by itself doesn't create or perpetuate negative views of specific groups of people, fiction that glorifies racism, sexism, or transphobia does. But hey, let's say it makes even a shred of sense, than it's prefectly valid to criticize a piece of horror fiction for being too obnoxious, i.e. overly shocking in its depiction of its horror themes.

Ok good, this is the line I wanted to approach so I'm glad at this response.

When someone is sharing a critique of a game's gameplay or story or controls and so on, there's room to discuss things. Like say you find parrying in Sekiro too hard to time and keep dying but if you're told you can party ahead of time and just hold it to block in case you mess up or double tap it really fast you may find it easier to land so your opinion may change with new information. Same with a story, maybe you missed a part, maybe you didn't get the true ending, maybe you were tired so you skipped a side quest one day. There's room for discussion and we can potentially adjust your view with new information.

You just can't present new information like that to prove to someone that due to a thing they overlooked they were wrong to feel offended cause feelings are by definition not rational and facts don't sway them.

But do you know the best of all? All this time we're actually talking about the GAME. We're not psychoanalyzing you and trying to find why you feel this way or why you are offended. We're focusing on the game's elements and due to that our critique is valuable to games and will actually make them better. Your offense based critique is ignoring games and focusing on the larger society and is looking to fix the ills that cause society to produce offensive games. That's, again, wholly irrelevant.

Here's the difference between offense critique and other game element critique. Graphics have polygon counts and artists who have credentials working for them. Say someone doesn't like persona 5's highly acclaimed artstyle cause they just don't like anime aesthetic, it is not seen as a fault of the game, it is not seen as a blemish or a bad spot like you mentioned either. The art is just...itself and it can not be people's cup of tea without something having to be wrong about it or in need of changing.

Finally, horror games have an effect on me and that's why I picked em. I wasn't talking about jump scares or dumb gore and so on. What they do is for a lack of a better word creep me out. I jump at shadows and think paranoid thoughts and so on in real life for a while after playing a really good one like corpse party. It's prolly cause I like being immersed in my games so I enter the psychological space of the characters and end up scaring myself with weird thoughts that never occur to me normally. Now, how rational would it be to attribute that reaction to the game containing a fault within it. It's all me that's doing it. Same with things like racism and transphobia and so on. It's those people who are affected that are to blame. The game isn't doing anything.