CERN Scientists Capture Antimatter For Record 16 Minutes

[Joshimodo]

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

I'd rather waste millions per year on this than hundreds of millions on inane garbage like football.

 

[unacomn]

My only hope is that the idea of an antimatter bomb proves too existentially horrifying for anyone to ever actually build such a thing.
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Hehe, like that'll ever happen.
*opens catalog to G14*

 

[McMullen]

Yep, you heard them. We better cancel all science forever, because it could be used for EVIL! Boy am I sick of hearing that.

Quoted for truth forever.

 

[DasDestroyer]

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

I'd rather waste millions per year on this than hundreds of millions on inane garbage like football.

You, sir, win the internets and all of science.

 

[McMullen]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

 

[Grond Strong]

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

I'd rather waste millions per year on this than hundreds of millions on inane garbage like football.

Hm, you have a point. But I can watch football and enjoy it. (Although I hardly ever get the chance as I don't have cable or any type of T.V. broadcasting.) I also have a choice to put money into football for merchandise or whatever people waste on football things. (I'm personally not that big into sports.) Usually however, this type of science takes money from people like me whether I want to give it or not. It's fine if they have some type of goal in mind for the research of it that will aid my practical life is some way, shape, or form. Heck, I'd probably donate more money to the cause. But it gets me nervous when a million dollar project captures a few anti-matter atoms for about fifteen minutes and we aren't seeing any holograms, spaceships, or lightsabers. What exactly are they planning to do with those atoms? If all they are doing is science for the fun of it, then I'd like a refund please.

Just saying.

 

[TheGreekDollmaker]

what is Anti-Matter

It's sort of negative matter; if you combine a particle and it's anti-matter equivalent (electron and anti-electron, proton and anti-proton) the net result is 0 matter. A nuclear bomb sends out high energy particles and waves and this disrupts matter, anti-matter annihilates it.

The process of annihilation releases a lot of energy so theoretically matter/anti-matter reactions could be used as an incredible power source, but for now the process of creating an containing anti-matter is prohibitive.

To give you an idea how powerful the matter anti-matter relation is, if 3/4 of a coin of anti matter come in contact with matter the result will propably create an explosion half the size of the earth.

But creating that amount of anti matter takes A LOT of time, say 10.000 years with current technology.

 

[Brandon237]

And so it begins....

First Nuclear weapons, now Anit-Material Weapons....

God help us all xD

On a serious note....what is Anti-Matter

Anti-matter is material that behaves almost exactly the same as matter, all the sub-atomic and elementary anti-particles are the same as normal matter particles, except for the fact that they have opposite charge and all the consequences of this.

But when anti-particles meet normal particles of the same type, they annihilate one another and turn into photons. So for example 1 electron + 1 positron (anti-electron) will net 2 photons of energy, leaving behind no electrons and a huge amount of energy. Far more than you would get in a fusion reaction of the same weight of material.

If they COULD create large amounts of antimatter, we had better hope they did not weaponise it.

Also, you can only store antimatter in magnetic and electric fields as it will annihilate itself and parts of its container. Which would not be good or productive.

 

[DasDestroyer]

Hm, you have a point. But I can watch football and enjoy it. (Although I hardly ever get the chance as I don't have cable or any type of T.V. broadcasting.) I also have a choice to put money into football for merchandise or whatever people waste on football things. (I'm personally not that big into sports.) Usually however, this type of science takes money from people like me whether I want to give it or not. It's fine if they have some type of goal in mind for the research of it that will aid my practical life is some way, shape, or form. Heck, I'd probably donate more money to the cause. But it gets me nervous when a million dollar project captures a few anti-matter atoms for about fifteen minutes and we aren't seeing any holograms, spaceships, or lightsabers. What exactly are they planning to do with those atoms? If all they are doing is science for the fun of it, then I'd like a refund please.

Just saying.

If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?
- A. Einstein

Although I am sure that colliding subatomic particles at relativistic is fun, creating the quark-gluon plasma they made last time and anti-matter this time, especially when they managed to keep it stable for 16 minutes allows them to research many things, including what the universe consisted of after the big bang but before the world we see now, and anti-matter can be used to release insane amounts of energy, since when matter and anti-matter collide, ALL of the energy that they are made of is released, and nothing but energy remains of them, meaning that anti-matter can potentially become the most efficient form of fuel. Instead of using a million gallons of fuel to launch a rocket, we could use just a few grams of anti-matter fuel, which could make space travel easily accessible, or if that doesn't interest you, a tiny anti-matter bomb can nuke our whole earth.
In any case, space ships and lightsabers do not happen overnight

 

[Grond Strong]

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

Hm, and I was under the impression that we got the silicon chip from reverse-researching Megatron... I better get my sources straight.

I'm afraid I might have come across a bit too harsh. I DO promote science. I love science and think it's great. You're perfectly right when you said that it helps the advancement of a nation's society and in some ways is the definition of a nation status. The part that I thought a little whacky is the whole reality deal and mirror universe theory. Sounds like something from Star Trek. When it comes to time travel and alternate realities, I'm a doubter, probably due to the fact that I'm also a Believer. So we'll have to agree to disagree here.

I have faith in the scientific community that they know what they are doing and that the money that's taken from my paycheck every week is being used for something that will eventually turn around and help me in some way. But this kind of thing gets me nervous. I would have much rather read a post of how because we were able to capture anti-matter for this long we now can cure cancer, travel lightspeed, harness the power of fusion, solve world hunger, create intergalactic spacestations and harvest Jupiter's gasses for an infinite power supply or something. But I think that all we did by spending millions of capturing anti-matter in a jar was just that. Capture some atoms in a jar. Cool.

I can be a downer, yea, probably something I should work on. But I can't help trying to think realistically. It's how I was raised. For all of our sakes, I certainly hope you prove me wrong.

Huzzah.

 

[Grond Strong]

Although I am sure that colliding subatomic particles at relativistic is fun, creating the quark-gluon plasma they made last time and anti-matter this time, especially when they managed to keep it stable for 16 minutes allows them to research many things, including what the universe consisted of after the big bang but before the world we see now, and anti-matter can be used to release insane amounts of energy, since when matter and anti-matter collide, ALL of the energy that they are made of is released, and nothing but energy remains of them, meaning that anti-matter can potentially become the most efficient form of fuel. Instead of using a million gallons of fuel to launch a rocket, we could use just a few grams of anti-matter fuel, which could make space travel easily accessible, or if that doesn't interest you, a tiny anti-matter bomb can nuke our whole earth.
In any case, space ships and lightsabers do not happen overnight

Well in that case, I certainly hope they can pull it off! And although an anti-matter bomb would be really cool to watch, I wouldn't trust it to anyone on this planet. No thanks, disintegration is not on my to-do list. However, a anti-matter powered Mustang is more like it. Practicality should be the first priority of science, in my humble opinion.

I might be running against the grain here a tad but I personally don't believe in the "Big Bang Theory." If this turns out not to work in a practical way but still continues as a search for answers of the world's origin then it would be a waste of money for me as I already know how. That must sound horribly arrogant but I can't think of putting it any other way. I am much more concerned about how the world will end, and when it happens, all the people who aren't ready.

Oh no, he's one of "those guys." Yep, but I'm done.

 

[DasDestroyer]

Although I am sure that colliding subatomic particles at relativistic is fun, creating the quark-gluon plasma they made last time and anti-matter this time, especially when they managed to keep it stable for 16 minutes allows them to research many things, including what the universe consisted of after the big bang but before the world we see now, and anti-matter can be used to release insane amounts of energy, since when matter and anti-matter collide, ALL of the energy that they are made of is released, and nothing but energy remains of them, meaning that anti-matter can potentially become the most efficient form of fuel. Instead of using a million gallons of fuel to launch a rocket, we could use just a few grams of anti-matter fuel, which could make space travel easily accessible, or if that doesn't interest you, a tiny anti-matter bomb can nuke our whole earth.
In any case, space ships and lightsabers do not happen overnight

Well in that case, I certainly hope they can pull it off! And although an anti-matter bomb would be really cool to watch, I wouldn't trust it to anyone on this planet. No thanks, disintegration is not on my to-do list. However, a anti-matter powered Mustang is more like it. Practicality should be the first priority of science, in my humble opinion.

I might be running against the grain here a tad but I personally don't believe in the "Big Bang Theory." If this turns out not to work in a practical way but still continues as a search for answers of the world's origin then it would be a waste of money for me as I already know how. That must sound horribly arrogant but I can't think of putting it any other way. I am much more concerned about how the world will end, and when it happens, all the people who aren't ready.

Oh no, he's one of "those guys." Yep, but I'm done.

Well, The Big Bang Theory simply seems the most believable imo, but to each his own
By the way the Big Bang Theory does not necessarily contradict there being a God - perhaps he was the one who made it That is, in fact, the greatest uncertainty in the whole theory - what happened before, as all evidence points to the world at one point being much, much smaller, denser and hotter, but there is nothing to show where it first came from.

In any case, the plasma and the anti-matter can reveal new properties of matter, since heating things up to tens of trillions of degrees isn't exactly something we can do very easily.

As for the world ending, if none of the religions turn out to be right, the earth will eventually be destroyed by asteroids or perhaps even humans themselves, them much later it will be engulfed by the sun, when it goes Red Giant. As for the rest of the universe - it will continue to expand and will eventually reach it's heat death.
If they do turn out to be right, well, infinite hot tubs in hell for me

 

[KirbyKrackle]

I would have much rather read a post of how because we were able to capture anti-matter for this long we now can cure cancer, travel lightspeed, harness the power of fusion, solve world hunger, create intergalactic spacestations and harvest Jupiter's gasses for an infinite power supply or something. But I think that all we did by spending millions of capturing anti-matter in a jar was just that. Capture some atoms in a jar. Cool.

I can be a downer, yea, probably something I should work on. But I can't help trying to think realistically. It's how I was raised. For all of our sakes, I certainly hope you prove me wrong.

Huzzah.

Antimatter and antimatter research are part of a cure for cancer. Look up Positron Emission Tomography. You're not thinking realistically, you're thinking incredibly short-sightedly and rather ignorantly, I'm afraid.

Also, on a related note, I always find it slightly amusing whenever someone uses the Web to complain about CERN being a waste of money from which nothing of practical, everyday use has ever been created.

 

[Brandon237]

And so it begins....

First Nuclear weapons, now Anit-Material Weapons....

God help us all xD

On a serious note....what is Anti-Matter

Anti-matter is material that behaves almost exactly the same as matter, all the sub-atomic and elementary anti-particles are the same as normal matter particles, except for the fact that they have opposite charge and all the consequences of this.

But when anti-particles meet normal particles of the same type, they annihilate one another and turn into photons. So for example 1 electron + 1 positron (anti-electron) will net 2 photons of energy, leaving behind no electrons and a huge amount of energy. Far more than you would get in a fusion reaction of the same weight of material.

If they COULD create large amounts of antimatter, we had better hope they did not weaponise it.

Also, you can only store antimatter in magnetic and electric fields as it will annihilate itself and parts of its container. Which would not be good or productive.

 

[McMullen]

I might be running against the grain here a tad but I personally don't believe in the "Big Bang Theory." If this turns out not to work in a practical way but still continues as a search for answers of the world's origin then it would be a waste of money for me as I already know how.

Oh, kinda like how the church already knew that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun and everything else orbited in perfect circles around it, and inventing telescopes was just a waste of time and money because everyone already knew what was going on?

Well if the people who brought us that highly successful picture of the universe have also decided that the big bang isn't a thing, then I guess we can just stop all science then and move onto something else, taking comfort in the knowledge that there's nothing else that we don't know we don't know.

Do you have any idea of how often the church has been wrong when it has made claims about the nature of the universe? It has been wrong often enough that the only place left for God is either before time or outside our universe, or both. When the bible was written God was supposedly all over the real world, intervening and interacting with it on a regular basis, but now almost the only statement you guys can make that is not provably false is "well, erm... maybe God made the big bang and then just didn't do anything afterwards?" Some even try to take their toys and go home by saying something like

"You're applying natural laws to God, wheareas he claims to exist outside them. Therefore he does not necessitate a beginning, unlike matter..." .

This was a comment made to Richard Dawkins during a debate in Virginia. His response was a personal crowning moment of awesome:

"Well isn't that just too easy. You talk your way out of having to provide a rational argument by just decreeing by fiat that God, that God simply declares himself outside matter and therefore doesn't need the same kind of argument as anything else. If you're convinced by that kind of thing, you're welcome."

What happens when we explain the mechanism and origin of the Big Bang? What fiction will you tell yourselves then to try to convince yourselves that the beliefs you've held your whole life are not just a huge and widely-believed lie? You're in a hole, and you're trying desperately to keep digging. Acknowledging that the old ways of explaining the universe, the ones involving gods, are out of date does not hurt. It doesn't make you a cold-hearted bastard, it doesn't rob you of your morals, it doesn't make you evil. It merely makes you not a participant in a massive shared delusion that we told ourselves in ancient times in order for the world to make sense to us, and has survived all these years by parents teaching the delusion to their kids. We've grown past that. We don't need it anymore. There are other explanations for the universe that are much more wondrous, fascinating, and elaborate. They also have the benefit of making sense.

That debate, and the awesomeness-filled Q&A session at the end, can be found here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8033327978006186584#

 

[McMullen]

*double post*

 

[Lord Abraxas]

Well antimatter creating a black hole is impossible from the logical point of view, as it still needs a certain form of matter which goes critical. Literally speaking, the creation of a black hole is similar to nuclear fission, so we dont have to worry about them doing something stupid and the earth gets swallowed up. Well unless they figure out how to create "black matter", i.e. essentially a ball of supertight material and atoms pressed together that its equivalent is similar to the mass of a small moon. Well at least as far as theory goes.


Fact is Black Holes need Matter to exist, or rather be created, so making a anti-matter particle isnt exactly doing that just yet.

Not quite, all you need is enough of it, or it in the right conditions and pressure to create a black hole. It is entirely conceivable that somewhere in the universe there exists a star composed of anti-hydrogen undergoing a gravitational collapse that will lead it to become a black hole. In this particular instance, however, a few particles of antimatter will behave as you suggest, simply annihilate with surrounding matter and disappear into a puff of gamma rays.

However if we ever manage to create them, in a controlled environment and let them collide with a normal particle, i.e. proton vs anti-proton, then the amount of energy generated, especially if it could be done with several hundreds, if not thousands of such collisions occuring every day, we'd have clean and free Power for life.

If we can find a way to easily mass produce antimatter, yes. The issue is creating antimatter is, with what we know of physics, an obscenely energy inefficient endeavor to begin with. The amount of energy required to convert regular matter to antimatter is such that for power generation, whatever is creating the antimatter is already a better reactor for raw power output. There are some theoretical mechanisms that could produce antimatter relatively efficiently, such as magnetic monopoles, but to date we have yet to prove they exist, let alone begin creating them.

But that would most likely only be possible in "the future", at least a few hundred years from now. The sad part is, it will eventually get turned into a Weapon, the upside of that fact is, that it needs only one of these. A "Antimatter Bomb" as it were, of the size of a common day nuclear Weapon, would be enough to kill every living thing on the planet, no matter who wields it. It would literally be a doomsday device.

Unlikely. Comparing it to the B61 gravity bomb, the most common bomb left in the US nuclear arsenal, we are dealing with a total weapon weight of 320,000 Grams give or take. The warhead itself is estimated to be about 130,000 grams. If we know 1 gram of matter reacting with one gram on antimatter is approximately 42.8 kt per the CERN website, we can calculate the yield of such a device. If the payload were that large, unadjusted, the effective yield would be 5,564,000 kilotons, or put another way, 5.564 gigatons. An impressive blast to be sure, but life ending or reality exploding? The impact thought to have killed the dinosaurs at the end of the cretaceous period, and much of the rest of life on Earth has been estimated to be approximately 100,000 gigatons, and yet, life endured.

All of that, of course, assumes the entire warhead is antimatter too, which just isn't going to be the case. You are going to need a container to keep the antimatter in, plus, in all probability a power supply to keep electromagnets running, sensors to keep tabs on where the antimatter it in relation to the wall and adjust power to the magnets accordingly, etc. All of that is going to cut into the amount of space leftover for actual antimatter in an antimatter warhead.

Antimatter is impressive stuff but severely prone to exaggerations about just what it is capable of.

 

[Danpascooch]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

 

[Grond Strong]

We've grown past that. We don't need it anymore. There are other explanations for the universe that are much more wondrous, fascinating, and elaborate. They also have the benefit of making sense.

Whew, your response was so long so I just clipped a part of it to reply to.

There are things that "the church" has been wrong about, yes. I dislike saying "the church" because it's such a broad term with there being so many denominations now and even then, the church that we know of the times when the world was considered flat and the center of the universe was mostly comprised of literate priests who chained Bibles to seat pews so that they could not be taken away for personal study. Unfortunately, the church of that time period was more of a profession than a passion for God. But that's a whole other topic altogether. It would be almost impossible to pinpoint "the church's" position on this topic because of all the controversy it has created even inside its own walls. This is to our discredit, but here is what I have to say.

There are those things which science has shown that has proven facts that man created and implemented into their beliefs wrong. The church considered the world to be flat and the center of the universe because philosophers of that era said so, not because the Bible said it was. That was their bad. But there are things which I believe are timeless Truths that cannot be debated or questioned. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. Pretty straightforward to me. I'm sure you're familiar with Creation so I'm not going to describe the rest of the story but that cannot be refuted. Now, exactly what happened during Creation, I do not know, nor can I pretend to know. How God crafted the elements, what matter looked like materializing into existence, what did He do to create this massive universe? I don't know, but it must have been a show. It's all a mystery that I plan on discovering one day, but until then, I have to be satisfied with what He has given me.

To me, science is not something that should be used to find out what happened. It should be a tool to discover how we can use what has happened. I like to think that the reason some people consider the universe suddenly burst into existence is because it did. God threw the universe into reality in a week. We call it "The Big Bang" because we don't know what else to name it. We are so infinitely small and pathetic compared to the vastness and eternal secrets of space that I doubt science will ever get to the bottom of how all this was created. Which is a bummer because after all the science, after all the research, after all the data, there would be God.

Back to a scientific sense, to me, the use of science is wasted on the origin of us. It would be better used though if we went about it with the mindset of God behind the origin and instead of trying to discover what some refuse to believe, try to find out how we can better utilize what He has given us.

I'm sure this age-old discussion has been argued millions of times over and quite frankly I get tired of reading and writing them because it saddens me. All I need to know God has or will provide me with. It may not be the secrets of the universe, but I think that He has much more in mind for me than me simply knowing how this physical realm was created. It's nothing something I can convince you of, but I hope that one day it will be made more clear.

Thanks for your insight by the way, you seem to be very knowledgeable. I always enjoy a good conversation.

 

[McMullen]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

You and I have vastly different definitions of "obvious". The sentiment you expressed here was quoted in agreement by another user, and I have personally heard, in real life, many people say things about what scientists do that equal or exceed the stupidity it takes to make your comment and mean it. I have found that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity of an opinion to the point where there's no one dumb enough to agree with it.

As for condescension, while I believe that all opinions should be protected from censorship, I do not believe that all opinions are entitled to respect. If a person is going to vote to teach intelligent design in schools, I think the kindest thing that person is entitled to is contempt.