CERN Scientists Capture Antimatter For Record 16 Minutes

[KirbyKrackle]

I would have much rather read a post of how because we were able to capture anti-matter for this long we now can cure cancer, travel lightspeed, harness the power of fusion, solve world hunger, create intergalactic spacestations and harvest Jupiter's gasses for an infinite power supply or something. But I think that all we did by spending millions of capturing anti-matter in a jar was just that. Capture some atoms in a jar. Cool.

I can be a downer, yea, probably something I should work on. But I can't help trying to think realistically. It's how I was raised. For all of our sakes, I certainly hope you prove me wrong.

Huzzah.

Antimatter and antimatter research are part of a cure for cancer. Look up Positron Emission Tomography. You're not thinking realistically, you're thinking incredibly short-sightedly and rather ignorantly, I'm afraid.

Also, on a related note, I always find it slightly amusing whenever someone uses the Web to complain about CERN being a waste of money from which nothing of practical, everyday use has ever been created.

 

[Brandon237]

And so it begins....

First Nuclear weapons, now Anit-Material Weapons....

God help us all xD

On a serious note....what is Anti-Matter

Anti-matter is material that behaves almost exactly the same as matter, all the sub-atomic and elementary anti-particles are the same as normal matter particles, except for the fact that they have opposite charge and all the consequences of this.

But when anti-particles meet normal particles of the same type, they annihilate one another and turn into photons. So for example 1 electron + 1 positron (anti-electron) will net 2 photons of energy, leaving behind no electrons and a huge amount of energy. Far more than you would get in a fusion reaction of the same weight of material.

If they COULD create large amounts of antimatter, we had better hope they did not weaponise it.

Also, you can only store antimatter in magnetic and electric fields as it will annihilate itself and parts of its container. Which would not be good or productive.

 

[McMullen]

I might be running against the grain here a tad but I personally don't believe in the "Big Bang Theory." If this turns out not to work in a practical way but still continues as a search for answers of the world's origin then it would be a waste of money for me as I already know how.

Oh, kinda like how the church already knew that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun and everything else orbited in perfect circles around it, and inventing telescopes was just a waste of time and money because everyone already knew what was going on?

Well if the people who brought us that highly successful picture of the universe have also decided that the big bang isn't a thing, then I guess we can just stop all science then and move onto something else, taking comfort in the knowledge that there's nothing else that we don't know we don't know.

Do you have any idea of how often the church has been wrong when it has made claims about the nature of the universe? It has been wrong often enough that the only place left for God is either before time or outside our universe, or both. When the bible was written God was supposedly all over the real world, intervening and interacting with it on a regular basis, but now almost the only statement you guys can make that is not provably false is "well, erm... maybe God made the big bang and then just didn't do anything afterwards?" Some even try to take their toys and go home by saying something like

"You're applying natural laws to God, wheareas he claims to exist outside them. Therefore he does not necessitate a beginning, unlike matter..." .

This was a comment made to Richard Dawkins during a debate in Virginia. His response was a personal crowning moment of awesome:

"Well isn't that just too easy. You talk your way out of having to provide a rational argument by just decreeing by fiat that God, that God simply declares himself outside matter and therefore doesn't need the same kind of argument as anything else. If you're convinced by that kind of thing, you're welcome."

What happens when we explain the mechanism and origin of the Big Bang? What fiction will you tell yourselves then to try to convince yourselves that the beliefs you've held your whole life are not just a huge and widely-believed lie? You're in a hole, and you're trying desperately to keep digging. Acknowledging that the old ways of explaining the universe, the ones involving gods, are out of date does not hurt. It doesn't make you a cold-hearted bastard, it doesn't rob you of your morals, it doesn't make you evil. It merely makes you not a participant in a massive shared delusion that we told ourselves in ancient times in order for the world to make sense to us, and has survived all these years by parents teaching the delusion to their kids. We've grown past that. We don't need it anymore. There are other explanations for the universe that are much more wondrous, fascinating, and elaborate. They also have the benefit of making sense.

That debate, and the awesomeness-filled Q&A session at the end, can be found here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8033327978006186584#

 

[McMullen]

*double post*

 

[Lord Abraxas]

Well antimatter creating a black hole is impossible from the logical point of view, as it still needs a certain form of matter which goes critical. Literally speaking, the creation of a black hole is similar to nuclear fission, so we dont have to worry about them doing something stupid and the earth gets swallowed up. Well unless they figure out how to create "black matter", i.e. essentially a ball of supertight material and atoms pressed together that its equivalent is similar to the mass of a small moon. Well at least as far as theory goes.


Fact is Black Holes need Matter to exist, or rather be created, so making a anti-matter particle isnt exactly doing that just yet.

Not quite, all you need is enough of it, or it in the right conditions and pressure to create a black hole. It is entirely conceivable that somewhere in the universe there exists a star composed of anti-hydrogen undergoing a gravitational collapse that will lead it to become a black hole. In this particular instance, however, a few particles of antimatter will behave as you suggest, simply annihilate with surrounding matter and disappear into a puff of gamma rays.

However if we ever manage to create them, in a controlled environment and let them collide with a normal particle, i.e. proton vs anti-proton, then the amount of energy generated, especially if it could be done with several hundreds, if not thousands of such collisions occuring every day, we'd have clean and free Power for life.

If we can find a way to easily mass produce antimatter, yes. The issue is creating antimatter is, with what we know of physics, an obscenely energy inefficient endeavor to begin with. The amount of energy required to convert regular matter to antimatter is such that for power generation, whatever is creating the antimatter is already a better reactor for raw power output. There are some theoretical mechanisms that could produce antimatter relatively efficiently, such as magnetic monopoles, but to date we have yet to prove they exist, let alone begin creating them.

But that would most likely only be possible in "the future", at least a few hundred years from now. The sad part is, it will eventually get turned into a Weapon, the upside of that fact is, that it needs only one of these. A "Antimatter Bomb" as it were, of the size of a common day nuclear Weapon, would be enough to kill every living thing on the planet, no matter who wields it. It would literally be a doomsday device.

Unlikely. Comparing it to the B61 gravity bomb, the most common bomb left in the US nuclear arsenal, we are dealing with a total weapon weight of 320,000 Grams give or take. The warhead itself is estimated to be about 130,000 grams. If we know 1 gram of matter reacting with one gram on antimatter is approximately 42.8 kt per the CERN website, we can calculate the yield of such a device. If the payload were that large, unadjusted, the effective yield would be 5,564,000 kilotons, or put another way, 5.564 gigatons. An impressive blast to be sure, but life ending or reality exploding? The impact thought to have killed the dinosaurs at the end of the cretaceous period, and much of the rest of life on Earth has been estimated to be approximately 100,000 gigatons, and yet, life endured.

All of that, of course, assumes the entire warhead is antimatter too, which just isn't going to be the case. You are going to need a container to keep the antimatter in, plus, in all probability a power supply to keep electromagnets running, sensors to keep tabs on where the antimatter it in relation to the wall and adjust power to the magnets accordingly, etc. All of that is going to cut into the amount of space leftover for actual antimatter in an antimatter warhead.

Antimatter is impressive stuff but severely prone to exaggerations about just what it is capable of.

 

[Danpascooch]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

 

[Grond Strong]

We've grown past that. We don't need it anymore. There are other explanations for the universe that are much more wondrous, fascinating, and elaborate. They also have the benefit of making sense.

Whew, your response was so long so I just clipped a part of it to reply to.

There are things that "the church" has been wrong about, yes. I dislike saying "the church" because it's such a broad term with there being so many denominations now and even then, the church that we know of the times when the world was considered flat and the center of the universe was mostly comprised of literate priests who chained Bibles to seat pews so that they could not be taken away for personal study. Unfortunately, the church of that time period was more of a profession than a passion for God. But that's a whole other topic altogether. It would be almost impossible to pinpoint "the church's" position on this topic because of all the controversy it has created even inside its own walls. This is to our discredit, but here is what I have to say.

There are those things which science has shown that has proven facts that man created and implemented into their beliefs wrong. The church considered the world to be flat and the center of the universe because philosophers of that era said so, not because the Bible said it was. That was their bad. But there are things which I believe are timeless Truths that cannot be debated or questioned. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. Pretty straightforward to me. I'm sure you're familiar with Creation so I'm not going to describe the rest of the story but that cannot be refuted. Now, exactly what happened during Creation, I do not know, nor can I pretend to know. How God crafted the elements, what matter looked like materializing into existence, what did He do to create this massive universe? I don't know, but it must have been a show. It's all a mystery that I plan on discovering one day, but until then, I have to be satisfied with what He has given me.

To me, science is not something that should be used to find out what happened. It should be a tool to discover how we can use what has happened. I like to think that the reason some people consider the universe suddenly burst into existence is because it did. God threw the universe into reality in a week. We call it "The Big Bang" because we don't know what else to name it. We are so infinitely small and pathetic compared to the vastness and eternal secrets of space that I doubt science will ever get to the bottom of how all this was created. Which is a bummer because after all the science, after all the research, after all the data, there would be God.

Back to a scientific sense, to me, the use of science is wasted on the origin of us. It would be better used though if we went about it with the mindset of God behind the origin and instead of trying to discover what some refuse to believe, try to find out how we can better utilize what He has given us.

I'm sure this age-old discussion has been argued millions of times over and quite frankly I get tired of reading and writing them because it saddens me. All I need to know God has or will provide me with. It may not be the secrets of the universe, but I think that He has much more in mind for me than me simply knowing how this physical realm was created. It's nothing something I can convince you of, but I hope that one day it will be made more clear.

Thanks for your insight by the way, you seem to be very knowledgeable. I always enjoy a good conversation.

 

[McMullen]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

You and I have vastly different definitions of "obvious". The sentiment you expressed here was quoted in agreement by another user, and I have personally heard, in real life, many people say things about what scientists do that equal or exceed the stupidity it takes to make your comment and mean it. I have found that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity of an opinion to the point where there's no one dumb enough to agree with it.

As for condescension, while I believe that all opinions should be protected from censorship, I do not believe that all opinions are entitled to respect. If a person is going to vote to teach intelligent design in schools, I think the kindest thing that person is entitled to is contempt.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

And so it begins....

First Nuclear weapons, now Anit-Material Weapons....

God help us all xD

On a serious note....what is Anti-Matter

Someone has yet to explain it properly when it is actually a rathre simple concept. The idea is at the formation of the universe atoms of matter and anti matter were formed from IMMENSE tides of energy in ALMOST equal shares. Matter had slightly more. So matter cancled out anti matter and slowly but surely won, creating ALL the matter that exists in our world. This is prior to the big bang. It is likely anti matter exists in some function somewhere in the universe just because of its vastness.

Matter is made of:

Protons + 1 charge - nucleus - 1 mass
Electrons - 1 charge - orbit around nucleus - tiny mass
Neutrons = 0 charge - nucleus - 1 mass

Anti matter is made of

Antiprotons - 1 charge- nuceus - 1 mass
Positrons + 1 charge - orbit around nuceus - tiny mass
Neutrons = 0 charge - Nucleus - 1 mass

It is effectively reverse matter in terms of charges. When they collide the charges are balenced perfectly and the result is MONUMENTAL energy release. Like we are talking the strength of the big bang or prior big bang energy release in large quantities.

On another note, to give you an idea how powerfull this is, when a positron hits an electron its called anhiliation and produces gamma rays.

 

[minarri]

the concept is more theory than proven fact.

There are very few, if any, concepts in science that can ever be called proven facts. "Fact" or "Law" are terms usually reserved for observations, not concepts. The media needs to learn the difference between hypotheses, theories, and laws, because the confusion between them is one of the ways that manipulative people misrepresent and falsely discredit science.

I know this is a pointless and futile argument to make but I would like there to be at least one journalist in my lifetime who actually takes the time to learn the first, most basic thing about science: the method and basic terms. Almost nobody ever does this and it's frustrating as hell, because it's part of the reason so few people even understand what science is, how it works, and that it is not just a bunch of guys sitting around making shit up, or some elitist conspiracy trying to bring about the apocalypse or new world order or whatever. And yes, even in a college town in the Western US, I hear more people talk about science as if it is one of those things instead of what it actually is.

My only hope is that the idea of an antimatter bomb (which could literally explode reality)...

On second thought, maybe it's best that you just don't report on science stories at all. You fail physics forever.

I tip my proverbial hat to you, sir or madam. Too many people brandish words such as "fact" and "proven" without any real understanding of what they mean in science.

OT: Is it too stereotypical for an ex-Star Trek nerd to get nerdily excited about this news? :3
In all seriousness though this sounds like a huge step forward for the study of antimatter. Way to go, CERN!

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Back to a scientific sense, to me, the use of science is wasted on the origin of us. It would be better used though if we went about it with the mindset of God behind the origin and instead of trying to discover what some refuse to believe, try to find out how we can better utilize what He has given us.

Science isnt about that though, the idea is that while you are certain of that fact, i am not. Many are not. I see it is a compelling arguement, there is really no answer to the "and what made that" question infinitely looped, (and not even you can answer that without resorting to our answer of "it has always been there), but science cannot stand being told something and just going, "ok then, that explains it, no point looking".

It isnt enough. It isnt human nature. We must explore, to see with our own eyes before we understand. Even if it is seemingly obvious. Imagine a cave. A bright light is coming from the back, it is blinding, beautiful, all the colors of the rainbow. If i just said "its a torch, dont bother looking inside" you would ignore me. And go for yourself. Science demands we ask why.

Even if an answer seems logical or the only answer, we have to ask anyway. Maybe we get a resounding "we have no idea" but the magical thing about science is: Thats acceptable! We are ALLOWED to have no idea. Humans have to ask why, and while (with no offence here) your explanation fits nicely and easily into your head, others struggle, we wonder, and as i respect your belief you should respect theirs in their quest to answer the question. If you are right they should eventually come to you as the correct answer, everyone is illuminated. If you are wrong, everyone is illumated and a little bit more knowledge is given to the world. Its a win win.

You said, and i quoth, "its a waste of money because i know". Do you know? Why do you not believe in the big bang theory? To be honest both me and you, and EVERYONE here has NO idea what we are talking about relatively on these points, ive observed blue shift through my telescope, and i have SEEN with my eyes that all planets fly away from a point. I think this, coupled with evidence cited by minds greater than mine, gives credence to the theory of the big bang.

The thing is my friend science is innovation, it is change, it is spinning on a dime and saying "thats all wrong now, we found evidence for this" and we change our minds instantly, we accept that sometimes we are wrong if we are shown it. Your view has stagnation, it will never change, alter, or allow for new evidence or views. It is old, it is tired, and it is antiquated. Even if you are correct, i cant share such a stagnated view, one so set in concrete nothing can be done to change it. If you show me proof ANYTHING i deny is true i will change my mind. Youve seen proof you are incorrect and yet your faith that you "know" and this is a waste of time is still adamant. Thus i choose to change and alter with the world as we see more and understand more. This is like the flat earth. Believe me. Things will change. The world is change. Life is change. A view which denies change cannot survive.

 

[Halceon]

the concept is more theory than proven fact.

There are very few, if any, concepts in science that can ever be called proven facts. "Fact" or "Law" are terms usually reserved for observations, not concepts. The media needs to learn the difference between hypotheses, theories, and laws, because the confusion between them is one of the ways that manipulative people misrepresent and falsely discredit science.

I know this is a pointless and futile argument to make but I would like there to be at least one journalist in my lifetime who actually takes the time to learn the first, most basic thing about science: the method and basic terms. Almost nobody ever does this and it's frustrating as hell, because it's part of the reason so few people even understand what science is, how it works, and that it is not just a bunch of guys sitting around making shit up, or some elitist conspiracy trying to bring about the apocalypse or new world order or whatever. And yes, even in a college town in the Western US, I hear more people talk about science as if it is one of those things instead of what it actually is.

My only hope is that the idea of an antimatter bomb (which could literally explode reality)...

On second thought, maybe it's best that you just don't report on science stories at all. You fail physics forever.

Well, then let me introduce you to Singularity Hub. An online science news magazine that calls bullshit on several fabricated claims and misepresentations per month. Like the thing about telomerase being able to reverse aging.

 

[Nihilm]

Well, i support science 100%
Anti-matter energy can save us from an energy crisis and will probably revolutionize everything, sadly there will be anti-matter weaponry as well just like radioactivity, we just have to hope we have developed out of the retard state we were in when we actually thought it was a good idea to use radioactive weaponry against ourselves for no apparant reason and not do the same mistakes, though knowing this world some lunatic will think it would be funny if the world really ended on 21.12.2012 and uses an anti-matter bomb to destroy the world by then.

 

[Danpascooch]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

You and I have vastly different definitions of "obvious". The sentiment you expressed here was quoted in agreement by another user, and I have personally heard, in real life, many people say things about what scientists do that equal or exceed the stupidity it takes to make your comment and mean it. I have found that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity of an opinion to the point where there's no one dumb enough to agree with it.

As for condescension, while I believe that all opinions should be protected from censorship, I do not believe that all opinions are entitled to respect. If a person is going to vote to teach intelligent design in schools, I think the kindest thing that person is entitled to is contempt.

Lack of respect is one thing, showing clear and unapologetic condescending tone isn't really called for. The part that I believe made it obvious was this quote:

"right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons"

 

[Danpascooch]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

You and I have vastly different definitions of "obvious". The sentiment you expressed here was quoted in agreement by another user, and I have personally heard, in real life, many people say things about what scientists do that equal or exceed the stupidity it takes to make your comment and mean it. I have found that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity of an opinion to the point where there's no one dumb enough to agree with it.

As for condescension, while I believe that all opinions should be protected from censorship, I do not believe that all opinions are entitled to respect. If a person is going to vote to teach intelligent design in schools, I think the kindest thing that person is entitled to is contempt.

Oh, and as an addendum to my previous post, you should know that the silicon chip was 100% possible without the application of quantum physics, quantum computing is a field that is just now being developed.

 

[Grond Strong]

Thus i choose to change and alter with the world as we see more and understand more. This is like the flat earth. Believe me. Things will change. The world is change. Life is change. A view which denies change cannot survive.

Why hello, BiscuitTrouser. Interesting name, I got a chuckle out of it. I promise I read your whole post but due to space which I hate to waste on a forum I only quoted some of it.

Before I start replying may I say it's refreshing to hear someone politely debate online. The way of communication that we use over the computer allows one to be as rude and brash as they please without visual consequence and therefore often fills one's inbox with things they'd rather not read. To be honest I was a little afraid when I clicked on the link in my quoted section. Instead, I was pleasantly surprised, so thank you.

Now for the gritty stuff... I find it incredible how different the security in our beliefs are. And not just you and me, but people in general. For example, you told me of how you refused to believe in something so stale and antiquated as the faith that I have. Yet for me, that's exactly what I think is so great, but I wouldn't call it stagnated.

I think that the way the universe was created is simply a detail to God. We as humans cannot fathom it and wrack our brains trying to figure it out. But I believe that to God, it isn't a priority we (Christians) should be focused on. From the depths of my heart I believe that we should be trying to get closer to Him and reaching out to others in love than finding the origin of the universe. I think that God shouldn't of really even had to tell us where we came from. But I believe He knew we'd go a little crazy so He told us so that we wouldn't have to worry about it anymore and place our efforts toward Him and His Word. (Please bear with me, I'm going somewhere I promise.) The fact that His Word, His Love, and His character stay the same for eternity is what is so promising for me. "He is the same yesterday, today and forever" Hebrews 13:8. That He will be there for me to depend on all my life and beyond is what I'm living for. It's not stale or antiquated, God is so big and there are so many facets to Him that it would not possible for us to figure Him out. He is always showing me things that are new. "He makes all things new" Rev. 21:5.

I know I'm preaching, and I'm sorry if I was a bit long-winded but I just wanted to make sure I was understood. For me personally, I could not live by rules, codes, or laws that I thought tomorrow could change. Everything that science has proven or that we think we know, (even though I do not give full credit that we know everything about anything) I believe God set in motion and still intervenes. Yes, it's faith, but I've also seen Him work in my life and other's. I've seen evidence of Him and miracles from crying out to God. I cannot put Him into a formula.

I hope this more helped you understand where I am coming from. I have no quarrel with science as it has helped us in many ways, more than can be counted. I just suppose that sometimes, certain areas of science would be more effective if we already used the answers provided. I'm no scientist, but that's just my hypothesis. Have a great day!

 

[McMullen]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

You and I have vastly different definitions of "obvious". The sentiment you expressed here was quoted in agreement by another user, and I have personally heard, in real life, many people say things about what scientists do that equal or exceed the stupidity it takes to make your comment and mean it. I have found that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity of an opinion to the point where there's no one dumb enough to agree with it.

As for condescension, while I believe that all opinions should be protected from censorship, I do not believe that all opinions are entitled to respect. If a person is going to vote to teach intelligent design in schools, I think the kindest thing that person is entitled to is contempt.

Oh, and as an addendum to my previous post, you should know that the silicon chip was 100% possible without the application of quantum physics, quantum computing is a field that is just now being developed.

What is this I don't even.

Where did quantum computing enter into the discussion? I'm aware that the silicon chip predates quantum computing. Quantum mechanics has been around since the 30s. It describes physics at small scales. Like, say, the scale of the workings of the microchip. It helped with the development of semiconductors, which is the basis for both the transistor and microchip.

 

[Danpascooch]

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe."

Additionally, researchers are hopeful that the trapped antimatter will offer a glimpse at the structure of antielements.

"If you hit the trapped antihydrogen atoms with just the right microwave frequency, they will escape from the trap, and we can detect the annihilation -- even for just a single atom," Hangst adds. "This would provide the first ever look inside the structure of antihydrogen -- element number 1 on the anti-periodic table."

What are these guys paid? Because it's way too much, they're clearly seeing how much bullshit they can pull before someone realizes none of this is real science, right now they hold the record with 17.372 metric fucktons.

Antiparticle moving backwards in a mirror universe? Really guys? Really?

Other than a couple of vulgarities, I completely agree with you. This whole reality-space-time-continuum-vortex-portal-slip-wormhole thing is madness.

Congratulations. You've captured atoms. Now tell me how we can use it practically or I'm never going to forgive you for how much money you've spent on caging these nanoscopic pieces of irrelevant matter.

Positrons (anti-electrons) have already been in use in medical equipment used to help diagnose diseases for a few years now. More technologies employing antimatter are currently in development.

As for the usefulness of refinements to physics, it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible. The silicon chip, if you're unfamiliar with it, is the basis for all modern computer processors, among other things. The personal computer, video games, and the world wide web would have never happened if people like you had had their way upon discovering what scientists were doing in the early years of quantum mechanics.

What you people need to understand is that all research is always capable of producing unexpected discoveries, and these discoveries are often capable of completely changing our civilization, often for the better. Societies that listen to people like you stagnate and fall behind, becoming economic and technological backwaters. It happened to the Middle East, and it's just beginning to happen to the US. We were the technological powerhouse of the world from the 50s to the 90s, then people like you started talking and that title, and all the wonderful economic benefits that go with it, passed to Europe and China.

Yes, science is expensive, but it tends to pay for itself and then some by creating jobs and new technologies. It is also how a nation stays relevant and able to defend itself.

So please, hush, and let the grownups do the talking.

First off, check your condescending tone, secondly, what I posted was obviously a joke, of course research is important. I just find it hilarious that they throw names out that make it sound completely like their just making fun of the world while doing kegstands and cashing paychecks

You and I have vastly different definitions of "obvious". The sentiment you expressed here was quoted in agreement by another user, and I have personally heard, in real life, many people say things about what scientists do that equal or exceed the stupidity it takes to make your comment and mean it. I have found that it is impossible to exaggerate the stupidity of an opinion to the point where there's no one dumb enough to agree with it.

As for condescension, while I believe that all opinions should be protected from censorship, I do not believe that all opinions are entitled to respect. If a person is going to vote to teach intelligent design in schools, I think the kindest thing that person is entitled to is contempt.

Oh, and as an addendum to my previous post, you should know that the silicon chip was 100% possible without the application of quantum physics, quantum computing is a field that is just now being developed.

What is this I don't even.

Where did quantum computing enter into the discussion? I'm aware that the silicon chip predates quantum computing. Quantum mechanics has been around since the 30s. It describes physics at small scales. Like, say, the scale of the workings of the microchip. It helped with the development of semiconductors, which is the basis for both the transistor and microchip.

Here you said quantum mechanics made the silicon chip possible:

it was quantum mechanics, a mind-twistingly bizarre and for the most part incomprehensible theory (I'm guessing you gentlemen would say that it's full of shit), that made the silicon chip possible.

And here is the definition of quantum mechanics:

The branch of mechanics that deals with the mathematical description of the motion and interaction of subatomic particles

Of course that is important, but subatomic theory had nothing to do with the development of the silicon chip all those decades ago, the reason I mentioned quantum computing is because that is the field in which it is starting to become relevant.

So I'll borrow your condescending word to say hush up, let the adults do the science.

Isn't that so annoying to read? It's rude as shit, next time be a little more polite and less arrogant, especially when you're wrong. The most it's related is perhaps to say that the flow of electrons is something that happens in the chip, and electrons are a subatomic particle, but that's such a vague and ridiculous reach that you may as well credit Oprah or the Pterodactyl for the silicon chip.

I don't appreciate being told to be quiet so the "grown ups" can do the talking, you know nothing about me, it's completely rude and uncalled for, and I know a shit load about physics thank you very much.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

16 minutes? Pah, I have a bottle of anti-matter shampoo in my bathroom that's been there for weeks.