I get the impression that Blizzard wanted to develop his character in Cataclysm to make him more interesting and complex. WoW fans, being WoW fans, threw a shit fit, and thus his character was derailed from an impulsive brute with a code of honor to a completely monstrous orc-nazi.
In the same vein I'm going to go with Sylvanas Windrunner.
From the perspective of having a potentially great storyline, the forsaken are, to me, one of the most interesting races in the game. One of the shining moments of the Cataclysm expansion was the revamped starting area where they had come to realize they simply couldn't rely on the Horde to help them defend their boarders and began to actively go on the offensive to secure their rightful homelands.
And then nothing for the rest of the expansion and not a peep through all of Mists of Pandaria.
By extension, their leader has had nothing at all to do in the game.
Worse still is the small hand full of character moments she does get (usually in the books) are random bits of cartoonish super villainy that hardly mesh with the personality and motivations that had been previously established.
She deserved to have some actual input into the resolution of her story, instead of just being forced into the position of surrogate child to a prick who just wants a replacement for his dead kid.
Umh, everyone in Bleach?
Especially Ishida. He will have his moment, I'm sure, but man is he sidelined.
Also Sakura In Naruto.
She is supposed to be a part of the main trio, but even after lately having this whole speech about having to stand on Sasuke's and Naruto's side as an equal, it was immediately clear it was just all about the two boys.
EyeReaper said:
Justice was a cool guy. His companion quest was helping a grieving widow. He was a stand-up dude, representing everything about his name. Then the sequel happened. Anders and justice "fused" together for some stupid reason, and was corrupted into a spirit of Vengeance which doesn't make any sense to me. Wasn't how the fade works is that Demons are always bad and Spirits are always good? Are there any good demons? no. So why should there be bad spirits?
The way it was explained was that demons and spirits are the same thing, humans just tend to divide them into 'good' and 'evil' based on how dangerous or useful they are to humans.
I also recall it being mentioned that many spirits don't have that much interest in the human world, so they rarely come in contact with humans.
I think Justice being corrupted makes perfect sense, spirits are very simple, focused on one emotion or aspect.
What is just is really complicated, so it makes sense it would turn into vengeange upon seeing injustice and not having any simple way to fix it.
Personally, I liked Anders's characterization in DA2 and what happened to Justice, but meh, opinions.
I have issues with series/movies/games ending on at least a bittersweet note, only for the follow-up to throw all that away.
Booker allows Elizabeth to drown him to prevent Comstock from coming to power. In Burial at Sea, we find there are still some Comstocks left... somehow... and in the end of episode 2, she is killed by Atlas and set in motion the first Bioshock game. While I appreciate them connecting these games, I can't help but feel like the two of them fought and died for nothing.
At the end of Evangelion 2.0, Shinji manages to save Rei from an Angel... only to start the Third Impact... which is in turn, stopped by Kaworu. Come 3.0, and Shinji awakens to find that somehow the world got screwed up anyway, and everyone hates him even though he did what he thought was right, but the girl he risked everything to save is gone. And while I'm not a fan of Shinji, I won't deny that I wanted to give the kid a hug after that (and maybe a few rude gestures to other characters). And considering the more hopeful shift the movies were taking, this sudden 180 in tone is enough to give you whiplash. Seriously Anno, do we need to have a talk!?!
This one's... a bit complicated, but here's the cliff notes: after a bit of wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey stuff, Madoka is able to become the Goddess of Hope, even thought it negates her very existence, to change the hopeless cycle of magical girls. After the show came two compilation movies, then the third (are you starting to see a pattern here?), the Rebellion Story, things get... grim. The happy(ier) ending at the end of the show? A manipulation by the Incubators to study the magical girls. (Bunnycat is such a dick.) After fighting back, Homura, who fought constantly to save Madoka, ends becoming a witch and usurping her power and place, going through endless torment because of it. And considering what these characters went through, this just seems needlessly cruel. Though I will admit Kyubey's fate is VERY cathartic.
So yeah, characters who deserved better than what they got, especially after it seemed like they got a happier fate...
(Insert Lil Jon WHAT?!) 1. Whynne has a son? Secondly,it figures that the A-hole bunch of Templars would want to control the Tranquil as such. Did they really touch on "how" the Tranquil could be made "normal" again? Because based on what I've seen within DA2, and Origins to an extent, your best bet to re-establishing a Tranquil's connection to the Fade is taking a part of the Fade itself and either bringing it here, or being possessed by a Fade spirit.
Yeah, she had him with a templar, but since she was a mage, they took him away at birth. :/
She was suppose to talk to Alistar about that in DA:O, but I think they cut out that conversation. It may still be in the game's code, because I heard it once on youtube.
Anyway.
The way it went was that the chantry was having a Tranquil mage research how to take way mages magic without having to make them emotionless. While experimenting on this, the Tranquil ended up possesed by a demon. I think he somehow forced the demon to enter his body. Odd I know.
Wynne and the gang go to save him, enter the fade, fight the demon, and set him free from it. He comes out of it no longer tranquil. To do it for others, they pretty much figure they have to do about what you just guessed.
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Didn't read the comics, only the summary, but they sound interesting enough.
Hope we meet Wynne's kid in DA:I. I also wonder how people will react to the information about the Tranquil.
picking if everyone becomes a mage.
That's my guess based on Sandal's prophecy.
Also, since Morrigan's kid is confirmed to be a boy, my guess is that's who Sandal is talking about when saying "When HE raises, everyone will see...".
Then again, I thought ME3 would have a lot to do with Dark Energy killing stars. Turned out to just be glitchy robots. ;p
As one of the few people here who watches WWE I'll say half the damn roster, but The Wayatt Family in particular. The Wayatt family is IMO one of the best gimmicks currently in the increasingly weak roster, excellent in the ring and absolutely goddamn amazing on the mic, and yet they never actually win at PPV events and are perpetually stuck in losing feuds with WWE's go to boring invincible supermen like Cena, Jericho, and the Usos. Also worth mentioning: Rybaxle a surprisingly likable and talented tag team that gets relegated to jobbing despite the crowd cheering for them, Damien Sandow who has been reduced from a love to hate heel to a absolutely awful unfunny comedy costume gimmick for no reason, Aberto Del Rio whose talent was so thoroughly wasted as WWE left him to float aimlessly in the midcard that he chose to not renew his contract, Kane who despite being a legend and having a great feud with Daniel Bryan not that long ago has been reduced to a joke to be repeatedly fed to the absolutely awful Roman Reigns, and Cesaro who went from a dominant heel with huge potential to a jobber who is never allowed anywhere near a mic.
I have issues with series/movies/games ending on at least a bittersweet note, only for the follow-up to throw all that away.
Booker allows Elizabeth to drown him to prevent Comstock from coming to power. In Burial at Sea, we find there are still some Comstocks left... somehow... and in the end of episode 2, she is killed by Atlas and set in motion the first Bioshock game. While I appreciate them connecting these games, I can't help but feel like the two of them fought and died for nothing.
The only thing that saved TNG was Gene dying during season 2 and allowing sensible minds to finally save the series from his wish-fufillment obsession and finally bring drama into the series. With that in mind, I can fully understand her decision.
heh....you know I was actually going to originally say this but it felt mean, but your right
[quote/]Who would bet their career on hoping the head of the show you're on will die before it gets cancelled? I bet at the time she thought she got lucky getting off the sinking ship so early until she found out he kicked it and suddenly the show picked up and became what everyone hoped it would become.[/quote]
agreed...again its so easy for people to criticise actors, I'm sure some might see it as "special snowflake" syndrome but I beg to differ
I got the second hand info (in that I saw it in an online reveiw show) that she might have stayed on had she had just a little more to do (like that moment with worf on her death episode) and you know....working long hours to say a few lines and press a few buttons
[quote/]On top of that, IIRC she was the only one really do anything beyond Star Trek at the time being in movies here and there (She was in Pet Cemetery 2 I think) while the rest of the cast save Stewart were pretty much tied to the show.[/quote]
there was a Pet Semetary 2?.....she was in Pet semetary 1 as the wife I know that much (that was before TNG though) its funny I also watch a rather obscure movie the other say (Desert Hearts) and she shows up with one or two lines XD... can't think of anything she did after trek...though I think she ended up in The Walking dead so thats something (best case scenario she might have just been a well known trek actor) I think I got a osft spot for her...and I'm not entirly sure why...must be that amazing 80's/90's hair
Pokkle and to a lesser extent Ponzu from Hunter X Hunter
While they weren't super strong or charsimatic, they were both compentent and had a lot of potential to become great recurring characters. Pokkle was one of the few people to pass the Hunter Exam with Gon and he was a pretty good guy, helping Gon find his father with his laptop and in the 1999 version advised Leerio and Hanzo not to cheat. While Ponzu didn't do much and failed the exam you do get the feeling that she was smart and compentent, you know someone who could pass the next exam( well if it wasn't for Killua one shoting everyone). Despite all these we see them get taking out like bitches by the chimra ants, Ponzu was shot in the head multiple times and Pokkle was poked in the Brain and fed to the chimera ant queen.
Lester from American Beauty.
Lives in a self inflicted hell with a wife obsessed with appearances and an apathetic daughter, and when things finally start to turn around, he's murdered by his homophobic neighbour.
This might be a bit of an obscure choice, but Danube from the manhwa Rebirth. The poor girl's life is Hell from beginning to end.
From the beginning, het father hated her for not being born a boy, so he verbally and physically abuses her whenever they're in the same room. Everywhere she goes, she's sexually harassed and belittled. The only person who genuinely loves her and cares about her is her (not by blood) brother Kalutinka. Kal becomes friends with the main character, the vampire Deshwitat. To expose Desh and kill him as well as Kal, Danube and Desh's lover Lilith are accused of witchcraft and imprisoned. Now, there's no one to help Danube, and she's brutally raped by the prison guards. The following day, she and Lilith are sentenced to death by hanging, which is an agonizing process where she's slowly being strangled to death. I know that hanging doesn't work that way, but it might've been intentional to draw out her death as much as possible and lure out Desh and Kal. Desh's and Kal's rescue mission goes horribly wrong, and the executioner decides to just behead the women. Despite agreeing to not let emotions get in the way, Desh rescues Lilith, leaving poor Danube to get her head cut off in a gory fashion.
Kal is killed after this and awakens as a God, since he was born as a God Seed. Danube's existence serves as his reason for becoming a harbinger of humanity's destruction, as well as a hatred for Desh for breaking their promise. Danube's life just gets shittier and shittier for every second she's on page. You just want to hug her...
Cole Phelps, for L.A Noire. True, Phelps was a bit uptight and smug, and his actions in the war delve into the realm of "OMG how can you be such a twat?" but at the end of the day, he was one of the few honest cops on the force and at least showed remorse for his war actions.
Then, he just gets shit on late in the game. His affair is revealed, isolating him from his family and the force, with no-one offering a shred of sympathy for the PTSD that probably fueled the affair. All the hard work he put in to rise to the top of the force is shown to be wasted, and ultimately he drowns to death without the real game's final villains getting the justice they deserve. To add insult to injury, one of said villains attends his funeral.
Also, as we seem to have delved into star wars - Ahsoka Tano. Jesus Christ, the amount of times she put her ass on the line to help others, then ultimately gets charged for a crime she didn't commit, is abandoned and found guilty by the order, and almost gets executed. Then when the order try to accept her back, the pricks cant even accept it's their fault and give her some "oh, the force moves in mysterious ways" bullshit - no apology or anything from them(apart from Anakin).
To be fair though, maybe it was for the best, what with order 66 and all...
I've heard of this Dresden Files before. An Urban Fantasy comic, right? Would you mind telling more a little more about it? (I've never really READ any of the comics before, and would like to know what a good starting point would be)
Well, you're right about the "Urban Fantasy" part, but only partly about the "comic" part. It's a series of books, and a few have been done as comics down the line. But it's first and foremost books. There's about 15 so far (plus some short stories that can be found in separate volumes), but the individual books aren't too long.
As for what it's about - Think film noir private detective, only he's a wizard in modern day Chichago (well, Chicago some 10-15 years ago) and focuses on supernatural cases. The whole tone isn't too serious most of the time, though, mainly because of the protagonist who's a smartarse (which pretty much every supernatural creature finds baffling). It starts out as more or less stand alone cases (one per book), but soon enough an overarching plot develops.
Notable things about the series is tight, witty writing with excellent pacing, great characters that exhibit actual growth as the books progress and a well established and consistent setting. Another cool thing about the setting is that it pretty much assumes every mythology is true, but still manages to present it all as an ordered whole.
Overall, highly recommended. Start with Storm Front and work your way from there. The first two books have been done as comics, as well as two short stories, though the comics come out once or twice a year so you're better off going with the books and maybe checking the comics out later.
As one of the few people here who watches WWE I'll say half the damn roster, but The Wayatt Family in particular. The Wayatt family is IMO one of the best gimmicks currently in the increasingly weak roster, excellent in the ring and absolutely goddamn amazing on the mic, and yet they never actually win at PPV events and are perpetually stuck in losing feuds with WWE's go to boring invincible supermen like Cena, Jericho, and the Usos. Also worth mentioning: Rybaxle a surprisingly likable and talented tag team that gets relegated to jobbing despite the crowd cheering for them, Damien Sandow who has been reduced from a love to hate heel to a absolutely awful unfunny comedy costume gimmick for no reason, Aberto Del Rio whose talent was so thoroughly wasted as WWE left him to float aimlessly in the midcard that he chose to not renew his contract, Kane who despite being a legend and having a great feud with Daniel Bryan not that long ago has been reduced to a joke to be repeatedly fed to the absolutely awful Roman Reigns, and Cesaro who went from a dominant heel with huge potential to a jobber who is never allowed anywhere near a mic.
I'd say in terms of narrative and creative potential, as well as the almost habitual abandonment of logic, reason, and the utter love for double standards which borders on the infuriating, Pro-Wrestling can be one of the most enjoyable guilty pleasures out there and that's before you even get to some of the physical feats guys like Orton are capable of. It may just be a soap opera in speedos, but damn...
Totally agree on poor Del Rio and Sandow (though I never fell for the guy, seeing him go the same road as Chavo is tragic).
From my POV I think Jericho is wasted on the Wyatts - I don't know why but those guys just don't click for me. I think I'm caught up in nostalgia though - when I think of Y2J it's circa 2003 against HBK.
For wrestlers that've been "Wasted" or under-appreciated I'll add Christian and Muhammad Hussan to the mix. I cannot articulate it clearly I'm afraid, but I've felt there was a major change to his character's treatment following Edge's retirement, though maybe I'm just paranoid. A morbid push that gave him a spotlight long deserved, and yet created a promise that could never be fulfilled... idk.
Poor Hussan on the other hand was one of the most talented (verbally & physically) individuals with a beautifully daring story-arc that sadly came too soon and too close to home. The latent fear of "home grown" threats, not just within the US but within much of the "First World," was definitely a risky one to explore - and the tragedy of the 7/7 Bombings lead to the network pressure that ended what might have been a fascinating story performed by an amazing individual.
Oh as it occurs to me - I remember seeing Rybak one cut a promo that was actually decent (acting, delivery, what have you) and yet it looks like now he is stuck in a "dumb muscle" role.
I can't help but feel that there is a narrative/creative conservatism gripping the company so terribly that, despite their means to produce quite a few different programs, they've limited the number of active stories to insanely dull levels. But that's a different thread I'm guessing...
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Now for the written word;
I'd have to say, weird as it may be, the Baron. Good old Vladimir Harkonnen. A cruel, sadistic man driven by lust - in more forms than one, that poor slaveboy! And yet I always saw him as just another lord. A product of his time. Now that's not to excuse the horror's he permits, the suppression and slaughter of the Fremen, the Beast's tyranny over Arrakis, but to me he is as most other lords would be. A symptom of his time and place, and a gomjabbar could not have been a painless death.
In terms of depiction - I'd say Wellington Yueh is a different kettle of fish. Beautiful in the books [and given such pathos by the amazing Scott Brick audiobook (That guy is just a wonderful VA)], and I think pretty damn decent in the movie, but the miniseries? I can only recall three scenes; 1. I miss her. 2. Time for impromptu dental. 3. Think you've won?
Again, like good Canadian wrestlers, I'm biased towards. Don't think the version of Yueh in my mind will ever be perfectly manifested
From recent memory I'm gonna have to say Paz from Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes.
In universe
Had a live bomb extracted from her without any anesthetic only to get killed by another one hidden in her vagina. And then there is the stuff that happened to her in the camp (assuming you collected all the tapes).
Out of Universe
I was really disappointed that she got killed off at the end. While she was far from being one of the more memorable character in the MGS franchise I really felt that MGSV could have been an great opportunity to expand upon the character. It also would have also been nice to learn more about her especially since most of what you knew about her in Peace Walker was just a cover. Instead she gets killed off and it was really just for shock value. Her death won't affect Snake or Miller because their interest in rescuing her was solely to gain information on Cipher. The only person her death would effect is Chico but we have no idea if he survived or will even be in MGSV.
Basically I thought she was a wasted opportunity
beastro said:
The only thing that saved TNG was Gene dying during season 2 and allowing sensible minds to finally save the series from his wish-fufillment obsession and finally bring drama into the series. With that in mind, I can fully understand her decision.
Gene didn't die until season 5 (October 1991) though it was because of his ailing health that he was forced to give up creative control after season 2.
I'm gonna be super unpopular and say Ben from TellTale's The Walking Dead.
I just think he deserved better in the game and from the fans. I mean, he was just a kid. He was still in high school, he had no idea how to survive in the real world, much less the world that he had been plunged into. And because of that he wasn't on the same intellectual or strategic level as everyone else. Everyone else was an adult, someone who was out in the world with jobs, occupations, lives where they learned skills and lessons. Ben hadn't got any of that yet. But people [small](characters and fans)[/small] expected him to go from 0 to 60 in seconds regardless. I still feel really bad for him to this day. THAT dude did not catch a break...
Damn, that's a good one- that death was really heartbreaking.
For me, I'd go with the character James Bellamy from "Upstairs Downstairs"(1971) season 5, specifically in the final two episodes, "All the Kings Horses" and "Whither Shall I Wander?". I don't want to get into it right now, but the character, in hindsight, was tragedy personified, and as sad as it seemed, was heading that way from the start. I just couldn't see it- and when I could, I was already blinded by tears, no word of a lie.
Brilliant show, by the way. Wonderful rich characters. For those of you who like Downton Abbey, this is the show that came before it, from the same people who made it... and seems light years better, at least to me.
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