Charlie Kirk Assassinated
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There was attempts at an investigation, it was hindered at every turn by republicans, fool.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/schumer-epstein-senate-vote-rcna230389
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Let's hope Tyler's dad is available next time the FBI needs to track someone down.
Remember everyone, you're not supposed to call for the killing of people just because you don't approve of them (also, I'm not linking to FOX so reddit is what you're getting.).
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I would like to note the difference in scope and reach of this guy's audience, being broadcast on national TV and all that, and a person's post on a dead forum with 20-odd active members.
Seeing how utterly distraught some people were about one post, and several likes, on here, they must be a total wreck seeing the murder of innocent people being advocated for without blowback on national television.
I hope you guys can recover from the pure mental anguish you most likely suffer from the clip above.
It's literally what people out there are saying: they are at war, should fight back, get retribution.
Why should we not take them at their word? Why should we act like their words don't have consequences for how others think? This is the president, his advisors, multibillionaire supporters, media supporters: they're not little-league nobodies with 50 Instragram followers.
This is just a straw man, because the point has already been made that the problem is people blaming political violence on others but refusing to accept any blame for their own.
And thus the next accountability evasion from you: "Yeah, but you're worse".
A right-winger said something objectionable, and your only criticism was of a left-winger for commenting on it. It's not your first rodeo with that tactic, either. Again, it's all deflection and denial of any accountability for the right, all you ever do.
Someone bigger then basically all of them, someone many of them personally knew, was assassinated in front of a crowd of people, and their reactions aren't all perfect. You are free to condemn anyone talking about prepping for violence, even in this circumstance.
That is not at all like the same thing as thinking people saying the murderer in the other case was a leftist is a scheme to justify violence. That is trying to distance yourself from the violence, that is wanting "your people" to be the peaceful ones. And that's not perfect either, that's deliberate self-delusion, but it isn't venerating targeted political killing, and you cannot make it out as such.
I said "that guy might be a Nazi". That's the far harsher criticism. I do not use that word casually.
If a single person was actually hurt by alligators there, those jokes aren't getting made in response.
Strictly speaking I'd suggest it's projection, not straw manning, considering we're a near-decade into alt-right groups like the proud boys and boogaloos specifically and intentionally going to major political events (protest or not), with the intent of inciting violence or committing it themselves, to either blame anyone but themselves for it or play the victim if and when they FAFO. Up to and including the latest round of anti-Trump protests as organized by various liberal political groups across the country, most notably 50501. I'd go so far as to argue that's Hegseth's and Miller's intent, directing Trump to nationalize Guardsmen in blue cities across the country -- bullbait people into pulling something against the Guard.
Lest anyone in the thread forget, it was the exact same tactic employed by the SA and SS during the mid-20's to the early '30s. Hell, Kirk's own gimmick -- and that of his imitators -- is just a more milquetoast version of it, more similar to the litigious shenanigans of the Westboro Baptist Church than the Proud Boys.
Okay, even if we set aside the fact this facility is a concentration camp by definition -- and MAGA embraces it -- that the facility resides in a alligator-infested, disease-ridden, swamp far away from anything approaching modern infrastructure was its primary selling point. Calling it "Alligator Alcatraz" isn't a joke in response to liberal/progressive criticism, it's what they preemptively, voluntarily, chose to call it themselves -- in fact, they're not jokes at all.
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Just like how when I heard that Trump got shot in the ear I declared that he won, so do I feel about this situation here. I don't really care for the majority of Kirk's views but now they will be treated as sacrosanct because to criticize them will be cruel when they guy just got shot in the neck so dishonest actors will frame criticism as lack of humanity and empathy. Even if you don't mind people who you consider evil being killed or whatever, this still is a dumb strategy.
Also he was actually really young, that hairline made him look older I guess and he talked like he was 60 but he was actually 6 years younger than me which is kinda insane. Imagining dying at where I was in life when I was 31 is no fun lol.
Also I see a lot of people making a fuss about both people rejoicing on tictoc or whatever and others vowing revenge and going on angry rants, I don't put much emphasis on either, that's just the internet.
Also he was actually really young, that hairline made him look older I guess and he talked like he was 60 but he was actually 6 years younger than me which is kinda insane. Imagining dying at where I was in life when I was 31 is no fun lol.
Also I see a lot of people making a fuss about both people rejoicing on tictoc or whatever and others vowing revenge and going on angry rants, I don't put much emphasis on either, that's just the internet.
That's actually completely wrong, and I was going to debunk that -- in fact I did, in the reply I deleted.
But you know what? No. Absolutely not, not this time.
All you're trying to do is change the subject, now that it's turned out Kirk was shot by a groyper, not even two days after Laura Loomer and Nick Fuentes threw him under the bus for daring to second-guess his support for Israel. When this is what you had to say about it (emphasis mine):
You're just hoping nobody noticed, and you can just quietly change the subject and move on. Nah, you don't get a pass on this one.
Perhaps. But this doesn't always happen. Recall that British MP Jo Cox, who had campaigned against Brexit, was murdered by a far-right attacker in 2016. Then-Prime Minister Boris Johnson declared that the way to honour Cox would be to "get Brexit done".
In short, the post-murder framing is often just whatever the right-wingers (or their toadies in the media) want it to be.
Right so my point is that to play in their hand by killing people from the left like this guy did is dumb. You don't need to help them in this way. You can't help if some right winger kills their own but you can at least try to stop those from the left.
So...what does that have to do with this case, since the suspected shooter seems by all indications to have been a right-winger himself?
This is doing them already a great favour by not treating Islamism as a right wing ideology.What "those from the left"?!
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@alanaadams7440 1 day ago
We can all thank Obama for the war between black and white. He started a tsunami of hate and we can't avoid the ramifications of the hate.
Trump was basically the counter reaction that poured gasoline on the fire though; less interested in uniting people than someone like say, oh, Arnold might have if he were ever able to hold that office. Where does it all lead…most likely nowhere good.
@alanaadams7440 1 day ago
We can all thank Obama for the war between black and white. He started a tsunami of hate and we can't avoid the ramifications of the hate.
Trump was basically the counter reaction that poured gasoline on the fire though; less interested in uniting people than someone like say, oh, Arnold might have if he were ever able to hold that office. Where does it all lead…most likely nowhere good.
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