I'm aware that some people seem to think that white people should feel sorry for non-whites because of some inherent disadvantage they have instead of just, you know, seeing them as equals (no that would be racist).Who really benefits from having people feel sorry for them anyway? Who really wants this?maninahat said:"just for being straight white and male".geK0 said:I'd like to point out that you automatically have 25 points just for being a straight white male who isn't ashamed of being a straight white male (many of these questions logically default to "yes" with that being true). So this quiz is pretty damn bias. So using this quiz, a $50,000/year wage white guy might score the same privilege as Ellen Degeneres..... think about that for a second.
For the record, I am not denying that I am privileged (I am, but it's not for those reasons alone), I just feel that 25% is a lot of weight to be just for being straight white and male. : \
That's the entire thing though - the whole point of this quiz is to alert you to the fact that being straight, white or male can present you with significant advantages over those who aren't. The fact that you think being straight, white or male shouldn't influence the score so much, suggests that you aren't aware of these advantages.
This is so godamn wrong. Language changes over time. That's just how it is. Try telling a black guy calling his friend ****** is racist.M_K_D said:Using oppressive language against people who aren't being oppressed by it doesn't magically strip the word of its meaning or power. I'll cut the ableist bullshit when people stop being ableist, deal with it.Ice Car said:Oh, that one? I knew someone would eventually unironically call me out on that one.
I use the word to describe people who are dumb. That's it. No underlying discriminator behavior or feelings towards people who are mentally ill. I've been friends with a lot of people are are mentally ill and they're just fine.
Please just cut the crap with this "ableist" bullshit. If I'm not calling someone who's mentally ill a "retard" then why does it matter? This is coming from someone with numerous mental disabilities by the way.
Want to call your friend a ******? Homophobic.
Want to call your friend a *****? Sexist.
Want to call your friend a ******? Racist.
Want to call your friend a retard? Ableist.
Oppressive words are oppressive not matter how you use them.
M_K_D said:This whole topic isn't very interesting to me
You keep saying this, but you still keep replying to people.M_K_D said:I'm really tired of this topic.
What??M_K_D said:I'll cut the ableist bullshit when people stop being ableist, deal with it.
Want to call your friend a retard? Ableist.
It's not about feeling sorry for other people. It's about being aware that some people don't automatically have it as easy as you in some areas, because society doesn't treat them as the default. That way, you can thn do something about it, or permit others to do something about it. Case in point, a black guy, regardless of how middle-class or first world he is, still has to contend with the various disadvantages of being black in a predominantly white society. To take one example, a black person, would most probably have to deal with a lot more racial epithets thrown their way.geK0 said:I'm aware that some people seem to think that white people should feel sorry for non-whites because of some inherent disadvantage they have instead of just, you know, seeing them as equals (no that would be racist).Who really benefits from having people feel sorry for them anyway? Who really wants this?maninahat said:"just for being straight white and male".geK0 said:I'd like to point out that you automatically have 25 points just for being a straight white male who isn't ashamed of being a straight white male (many of these questions logically default to "yes" with that being true). So this quiz is pretty damn bias. So using this quiz, a $50,000/year wage white guy might score the same privilege as Ellen Degeneres..... think about that for a second.
For the record, I am not denying that I am privileged (I am, but it's not for those reasons alone), I just feel that 25% is a lot of weight to be just for being straight white and male. : \
That's the entire thing though - the whole point of this quiz is to alert you to the fact that being straight, white or male can present you with significant advantages over those who aren't. The fact that you think being straight, white or male shouldn't influence the score so much, suggests that you aren't aware of these advantages.
I'm more than happy to check my privileges, but they aren't straight, white, and male those aren't privileges. My privileges are
Being born in a middle class family
Being a citizen of a first world country
Not having to pay for medical insurance (Canadian)
Being able to afford rent and own a car
I'd say, if I were a black dude in my exact same circumstances, I wouldn't feel any less privileged; actually, I'd be offended if anyone told me otherwise.
I don't know what age you live in, but it's not exactly socially acceptable for people to go around calling black people niggers. Outside of like backwoods southern states, it's just not acceptable in modern society to for a white person to call a black person that, especially in an insulting manner. Also I think if the worst disadvantage that black people had to deal with in being a minority in America was racial epithets I don't think most of them would consider themselves that disadvantaged.maninahat said:It's not about feeling sorry for other people. It's about being aware that some people don't automatically have it as easy as you in some areas, because society doesn't treat them as the default. That way, you can thn do something about it, or permit others to do something about it. Case in point, a black guy, regardless of how middle-class or first world he is, still has to contend with the various disadvantages of being black in a predominantly white society. To take one example, a black person, would most probably have to deal with a lot more racial epithets thrown their way.geK0 said:I'm aware that some people seem to think that white people should feel sorry for non-whites because of some inherent disadvantage they have instead of just, you know, seeing them as equals (no that would be racist).Who really benefits from having people feel sorry for them anyway? Who really wants this?maninahat said:"just for being straight white and male".geK0 said:I'd like to point out that you automatically have 25 points just for being a straight white male who isn't ashamed of being a straight white male (many of these questions logically default to "yes" with that being true). So this quiz is pretty damn bias. So using this quiz, a $50,000/year wage white guy might score the same privilege as Ellen Degeneres..... think about that for a second.
For the record, I am not denying that I am privileged (I am, but it's not for those reasons alone), I just feel that 25% is a lot of weight to be just for being straight white and male. : \
That's the entire thing though - the whole point of this quiz is to alert you to the fact that being straight, white or male can present you with significant advantages over those who aren't. The fact that you think being straight, white or male shouldn't influence the score so much, suggests that you aren't aware of these advantages.
I'm more than happy to check my privileges, but they aren't straight, white, and male those aren't privileges. My privileges are
Being born in a middle class family
Being a citizen of a first world country
Not having to pay for medical insurance (Canadian)
Being able to afford rent and own a car
I'd say, if I were a black dude in my exact same circumstances, I wouldn't feel any less privileged; actually, I'd be offended if anyone told me otherwise.
Challenge accepted:M_K_D said:The words ******, retard, and ***** are oppressive in every public context, even if the intention to oppress isn't there.
Firstly, whether it is acceptable or not, people outside of backwoods Southern States still call people niggers (or whatever). Secondly, I imagine it's easier for you to dismiss the racial insults when presumably, as a white person living in a predominantly white society, you don't tend have all that many directed at you. Thirdly, that's not the "worst disadvantage" at all, but I picked that one example because it was the most obvious and needed the least explanation.th3dark3rsh33p said:I don't know what age you live in, but it's not exactly socially acceptable for people to go around calling black people niggers. Outside of like backwoods southern states, it's just not acceptable in modern society to for a white person to call a black person that, especially in an insulting manner. Also I think if the worst disadvantage that black people had to deal with in being a minority in America was racial epithets I don't think most of them would consider themselves that disadvantaged.maninahat said:It's not about feeling sorry for other people. It's about being aware that some people don't automatically have it as easy as you in some areas, because society doesn't treat them as the default. That way, you can thn do something about it, or permit others to do something about it. Case in point, a black guy, regardless of how middle-class or first world he is, still has to contend with the various disadvantages of being black in a predominantly white society. To take one example, a black person would most probably have to deal with a lot more racial epithets thrown their way.geK0 said:I'm aware that some people seem to think that white people should feel sorry for non-whites because of some inherent disadvantage they have instead of just, you know, seeing them as equals (no that would be racist).Who really benefits from having people feel sorry for them anyway? Who really wants this?maninahat said:"just for being straight white and male".geK0 said:I'd like to point out that you automatically have 25 points just for being a straight white male who isn't ashamed of being a straight white male (many of these questions logically default to "yes" with that being true). So this quiz is pretty damn bias. So using this quiz, a $50,000/year wage white guy might score the same privilege as Ellen Degeneres..... think about that for a second.
For the record, I am not denying that I am privileged (I am, but it's not for those reasons alone), I just feel that 25% is a lot of weight to be just for being straight white and male. : \
That's the entire thing though - the whole point of this quiz is to alert you to the fact that being straight, white or male can present you with significant advantages over those who aren't. The fact that you think being straight, white or male shouldn't influence the score so much, suggests that you aren't aware of these advantages.
I'm more than happy to check my privileges, but they aren't straight, white, and male those aren't privileges. My privileges are
Being born in a middle class family
Being a citizen of a first world country
Not having to pay for medical insurance (Canadian)
Being able to afford rent and own a car
I'd say, if I were a black dude in my exact same circumstances, I wouldn't feel any less privileged; actually, I'd be offended if anyone told me otherwise.
My response is just that it's silly, there's nothing underprivileged about atheism, at least not in the west. I'm not taking the stupid Fox News stance of "it's the Christians who are victimised every day" but atheists aren't either. Now Muslims or Sikh's on the other hand, I could see them being considered less privileged.NSGrendel said:Yes. They are. Do you have a response to that or are you just trying to appeal to a general sense of outrage?C14N said:I'm not giving Buzzfeed an extra page view but are they seriously calling you less privileged for being an atheist?