chiefohara said:
Lord Monocle Von Banworthy said:
GHMonkey said:
thebackupfreak said:
GHMonkey said:
tkioz said:
Okay I'm going to act like a bastard here, I feel sorry for the family, but honestly as a rare duck, a gun owner from childhood, and a gamer, I'm going to be blunt.
Fucking Idiots. That's it. They Are FUCKING IDIOTS. The Parents are FUCKING MORONS! Here is the rules of gun safety I learnt as a 5 year old.
1) Treat Every Firearm as if loaded, even when proven otherwise (that means don't point it at shit you moron)
2) Only aim at something you intend to shoot
3) When not using the firearm secure it safely in a locked gun cabinet of some kind, separate from the ammunition. YOU NEVER LEAVE THEM LOADED.
It's fucking simple, those are the core rules of gun safety, anyone who doesn't follow them in their own home is a fucking moron, I'm not blaming the kid, I'm blaming the stupid parents, you don't leave guns laying around you moronic twits, ever, you don't leave them loaded, ever, you don't let little kids touch them EVER.
The man should be locked away for life. fucking twit.
THANK YOU! IM NOT ALONE!!
thebackupfreak said:
How many more vulnerable people will have to die before gun controls will be tightened or even completely revoked? Speaking as a Brit, I just don't understand why this has been allowed to go on for so long. Blame may not lie with the parents, regardless of all the speculation on this thread, but with a government and a society that is too attatched to an old and outdated ideal about personal defence. Until more people in America wake up to why this problem exists, there will continue to be horrific and tragic accidents like this every day.
well since we are on the topic of generalizations. lets ban soccer while were at it since it seem that everytime there is a soccer match it britan there seems to be a riot.
Fine. It was a generalisation. But, whereas the problems behind rioting in football stadiums has been partially solved (tackling the social problems behind hooliganism, modification of policing policies, etc.), the gun problem in America has stagnated. Roughly 12000 people every year in America are killed by people with privately owned guns, working out to a little over 30 people every day. Hmm. Maybe I'm not generalising.
And really, where do you expect these people to be killed? Yes, some will be in tough inner-city districts, and yes, some will be isolated incidents with obscure details. But some will always happen in quiet little suburban neighbourhoods with tragic outcomes such as this. But what the fuck do I know? Very little evidently, but if you believe that it is a worthwhile trade-off to lose thousands of lives every year in return for the unrestricted right to own and carry a 9-millimetre semiautomatic handgun or an assault rifle, then I pity you and your backwards culture and train of thought. Oh, and tkioz, I hear that if you repeat your advice enough, then it will bring back the victims.
you are apparently unfamiliar with concealed carry laws as well purchasing laws of handguns. you cannot purchase pistols like your buying cookies. a 3 day waiting period is mandatory as well as local police and FBI background checks. not only that but you also have to register said firearms into ATF and HLS databases to be logged. your claim that thousands of lives lost to these firearms, did you take into account how many of those were illegal and smuggled. please also note the fully automatic weapons are extremely difficult to obtain, requiring permits that need to be updated yearly as well as more intensive background check required for hand guns.
hey, i also here if you get into more people faces and say shit to people like that last line, it makes you seem like less intolerant.
now i do respect your opinion in this matter as it is delicate, at least it was well put.
I think you're extrapolating rules of your state as indicative of the whole. I used to be a Tennessean with 10 guns and I never waited a mandatory three days for any of them, nor are any registered. Background checks are instant in many states. The only time I ever failed to walk out of a gun store with the gun I wanted the first day was a time I wanted a different grip and had to wait for the store to order one with the option I wanted. I'm on your side here, but whenever either side of a debate puts forth inaccurate information it just leaves holes for the other side to exploit in future arguments.
And yes, anti-gun people conveniently forget that fully automatic weapons have been severely restricted since 1934. What they call "assault rifles" as we all know are called that based on purely cosmetic features that have no bearing on the machine's function.
Im another European, what i can't understand is why sensible Gun ownerships laws like in thebackupfreaks state aren't copied across the board by every other state in the US like yours in Tennesse? Surely it would be to everyone's benefit if people across the board were checked up on or given at least some rudimentary lessons in gun ownership before walking out of the store with a weapon?
Read again. I didn't say there was no background check. I said the checks were instant. They scan your fingerprints and electronically submit your identification to the FBI instantly and get a result back. If you are a convicted felon, have been adjudicated mental defective, or are under a restraining order, you will not be sold a firearm.
That lets you buy a gun that you must transport unloaded if outside of your home. As in, gun in the trunk, ammunition in the glove compartment of the car. You may not carry that gun in a usable state without a Carry Permit.
A Carry Permit requires you to take a six hour safety course and go to a range where you must qualify with a handgun. You have to prove to the instructor's satisfaction that you can hit what you're aiming at reliably. Then you take the certificate of completion to the Department of Safety and pay an additional fee to get a Permit, which you will receive by post after yet more background checking. Interestingly enough in Tennessee it is a Carry Permit, not a Concealed Carry Permit, so anywhere you can carry a concealed weapon you can carry one openly. There's a whole laundry list of places you can't carry, too, including places where alcohol is served, on state or federal property, near schools, and anywhere the owners have posted a sign stating that patrons may not come armed. Mass shootings in the United States almost without exception take place in these "gun-free" zones, and I'll let you make of that what you wish.
So, yeah, even in TN we do have all those things. The only thing I would change to be more like other states would be to require additional safety courses every couple of years and to require people to qualify with the weapon they're going to carry. For example I qualified for my permit with a .22lr match pistol but my daily carry gun was a Walther PPK in .380.
