Children not learning the lessons of failure
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I think kids should not be treated so much like fragile objects ready to fracture at any moment. Children at school understand that sometimes they're way off the mark and sure it feels a bit bad but its not something that warrants this protective reinforcement rubbish.
Sooner or later the sugar coating is going to come crashing down and its better that kids are eased into it gradually and taught that they aren't always right. Politicians/ Teachers need to give their students some credit and let them stand on their own two feet.
This is just one more consequence of the 'Political Correctness' culture that's making a joke out of discrimination and other serious issues.
I once heard about a plan to make us sing 'baa baa rainbow sheep'. This is both rediculous and has the effect of making 'black' actually seem like a problem (in a sense promoting the idea of colour having an important impact on life).
The bigges warning sign of protection going WAY too far is this absolute crap ('scuse the French) about using different coloured inks! If a kid is going to be hurt by red instead of green writing then what the hell is the gene pool coming to? Children aren't bulls.... what on earth are people seriously thinking?
Sooner or later the sugar coating is going to come crashing down and its better that kids are eased into it gradually and taught that they aren't always right. Politicians/ Teachers need to give their students some credit and let them stand on their own two feet.
This is just one more consequence of the 'Political Correctness' culture that's making a joke out of discrimination and other serious issues.
I once heard about a plan to make us sing 'baa baa rainbow sheep'. This is both rediculous and has the effect of making 'black' actually seem like a problem (in a sense promoting the idea of colour having an important impact on life).
The bigges warning sign of protection going WAY too far is this absolute crap ('scuse the French) about using different coloured inks! If a kid is going to be hurt by red instead of green writing then what the hell is the gene pool coming to? Children aren't bulls.... what on earth are people seriously thinking?
When I was in primary school, they told us we should have a guess even if we're wrong, at least we tried.
They always corrected us though, we learnt from our mistakes.
They always corrected us though, we learnt from our mistakes.
Hehe. Perfect for this thread.rossatdi said:
When I was wrong in school I was told why and if it was maths the correct way was then redemonstated to me by the teacher (long division!). We learn from out mistakes.
With the advent of MSN/text messaging will we stop correcting spelling errors?
To really treat a child as an equal, you'd tell 'em that they're wrong as you would any of your peers. Which is why certain people don't make good teachers...
I was treated well by my teachers, but I can't really say much because I was right all the damned time. School was just too easy for me.
I was treated well by my teachers, but I can't really say much because I was right all the damned time. School was just too easy for me.
This is a false dichotomy, a lot of people can't seem to wrap their heads around the topic. ( Not you guys, just a lot of people i talk to about stuff like that...AKA my parents )
You CAN teach the child. While boosting his self esteem. Tell him the correct answer. Teach him the step by step workings as to how you arrive at such an answer and point out where he went wrong. ( Teaching ) Get him to do another question with you guiding them. And then get him to do yet another similar question without any guidance. The child should have sufficient knowledge at this point to get the question correct. You can then say
cout << " Well done, " << studentName << " See now that wasn't so hard was it? " << endl;
system("PAUSE");
return 0;
btw " He who praises everybody, praises nobody " - Samuel johnson. By showing the class that a particular student did especially well, you will create a competitive environment where the students compete with each other to get better results.
You CAN teach the child. While boosting his self esteem. Tell him the correct answer. Teach him the step by step workings as to how you arrive at such an answer and point out where he went wrong. ( Teaching ) Get him to do another question with you guiding them. And then get him to do yet another similar question without any guidance. The child should have sufficient knowledge at this point to get the question correct. You can then say
cout << " Well done, " << studentName << " See now that wasn't so hard was it? " << endl;
system("PAUSE");
return 0;
btw " He who praises everybody, praises nobody " - Samuel johnson. By showing the class that a particular student did especially well, you will create a competitive environment where the students compete with each other to get better results.
No, bad idea.GothmogII said:I hardly see that it matters...considering the children we're talking about are in primary school. What's the harm in a little false pride? Going to lose every last shred of it anyway once they get into secondary school.
My wife is in her placement now before being certified as a teacher, and she's disgusted by the fact that you don't 'fail' students any more. Shes in a 7th and 8th grade class right now, and they can't spell properly (Even simple words), they don't know who to write properly (With proper grammar and punctuation), they don't understand simple math, and this isn't abnormal. And if they get out of school and head into 9th grade with what amounts to a 5th grade education, they'll fall even further behind and get no-where.
Teaching isn't teaching if the kids never fail. Then you're just spouting at the front of a group of kids, most of whom will forget it in an hour.
When I was in grade school, they were just trying out this "feel good about yourself" curiculum.
Teachers were not allowed to correct in red because the color was the same as "stop" and would discourage us.
We also had a thing called "inventive spelling" (I bullshit you not!) It didn't matter how we spelled the words so long as we were confident in our answers. The same applied to grammar. I was simply never corrected.
Today I am an English major. Almost done, heading into my masters very soon. My spelling and grammar continue to be major stumbling blocks, and if I hadn't been raised by a family of English teachers I would be totally lost.
I agree. We aren't doing kids any favors by not correcting them. It does not prepare them for the real world where failuire is a fact of life. Daily. They will be arrogant in the workplace (which never helps anything), incredulous about critique (which will stunt professional and personal growth), and will crash and burn when they find out they aren't the precious, unique and perfect snowflakes their "educators" have said they are.
But it's important to not blame the teachers. They hate that kind of thing as much as I do. And it's not all parents, either. It's the five or six whiny PTA Nazi parents and the mental health "professionals" they pay who are doing all the damage.
Teachers were not allowed to correct in red because the color was the same as "stop" and would discourage us.
We also had a thing called "inventive spelling" (I bullshit you not!) It didn't matter how we spelled the words so long as we were confident in our answers. The same applied to grammar. I was simply never corrected.
Today I am an English major. Almost done, heading into my masters very soon. My spelling and grammar continue to be major stumbling blocks, and if I hadn't been raised by a family of English teachers I would be totally lost.
I agree. We aren't doing kids any favors by not correcting them. It does not prepare them for the real world where failuire is a fact of life. Daily. They will be arrogant in the workplace (which never helps anything), incredulous about critique (which will stunt professional and personal growth), and will crash and burn when they find out they aren't the precious, unique and perfect snowflakes their "educators" have said they are.
But it's important to not blame the teachers. They hate that kind of thing as much as I do. And it's not all parents, either. It's the five or six whiny PTA Nazi parents and the mental health "professionals" they pay who are doing all the damage.
Perhaps if the kid who fails with the lowest mark is thrown to the crocodiles? Nothing like a bit of fear to motivate people.
I had teachers who told it like it was for pretty much my whole life. My favorite teacher was my 8th greade science teacher. If he thought your writing was sloppy or you got some answers wrong, he would say, "That's ugly. Do it again". He was one of the best loved teachers in my middle school. Kids should be told they're wrong when they're wrong. Not getting into a good college these days is a lot worse on a kid's self esteem than getting an answer wrong in front of the class.
By the way, yes. I did get into a good college.
By the way, yes. I did get into a good college.
BEST.IDEA.EVER.................although that means i would be fucked in A-Level Physics.scumofsociety said:
This is just another example of everyone wrapping up children in a blanket of rainbows and smiles while gently hugging them telling them that they are most special thing to ever grace the world.
Pffffft i say we dump children in a forest for a weekend when they are 12 with no supplies or training. The ones smart and strong enough to survive and see the fact that life throws a lot of shit at you are rewarded with their lifes. (Man i have issues)
Wow, this is going too far. I understand it's important for kids to have high self esteem but come on, they have to know that not everything they say is right. If kids think they can never be wrong we'll have idiots overrunning the internet with their stupid-ass opinions.
This statement if full of fail.GothmogII said:I hardly see that it matters...considering the children we're talking about are in primary school. What's the harm in a little false pride? Going to lose every last shred of it anyway once they get into secondary school.