- Nov 29, 2013
Guess what, mate? People can have opinions that differ from yours. ^-^
'Course they can. We can still get mad about them, especially when they appear contradictory. ^_^ (But in light of your post, I have removed my "**** YOU" from my own post, and retract the statement.)TristanBelmont said:Guess what, mate? People can have opinions that differ from yours. ^-^
This is awesome. Thank you for going to the trouble. At the very least I no longer have to feel sick to my stomach thinking that someone who teaches game design thinks "commercial failure" means a game is bad.Johnny Novgorod said:Tomás has replied on FB.
He says that he was interviewed by the magazine as a gaming dev, and did not have a hand in writing or co-writing the article. He publishes the questions they sent and the answers he gave back. I don't feel like translating the entire post, it's pretty hefty, but summing it up:
1) He talks about the 1983 game crash.
2) He mentions some of the worst videogames in history are ET "of course", Daikatana - mentioning its "insulting publicities" but nothing regarding the game - and Duke Nukem Forever, "a frankly embarrassing" product that took 15 years to develop.
3) When asked about Desert Bus he explains what we all know, that it was part of a game pack that never got an official release. He also mentions Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.
4) He gives reasons as to why Atari buried the ET cartridges.
Bottom line is Tomás Cofré didn't come up with a Top Worst list for videogames. He was interviewd on a number of subjects and only mentioned ET, Daikatana, Duke Nukem Forever and Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing as being horrible. He does NOT mention Shenmue, Okami, Psychonauts, Pac Man or Grim Fandango at any point.
If you read Cofré's FB page you'll see he's grown tired of explaining that he was only asked a few questions about the gaming crash of '83 and only mentioned ET, Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever as bad games. His answers are short and informed, and even goes on to correct the magazine about how Desert Bus is part of a game pack, NOT a game in itself. The magazine either got the controversial side of their ranking from the other "expert" (Marco Bocaz) or simply drew it based on some well known commercial failures. Either way the ranking has nothing to do with the article, which is about the gaming crash of '83 and recent discovery of the ET cartridges. It seems like they just needed some Top 5 nonsense to use as filler.Lunar Templar said:right ....
This is why I never listen to 'experts', an alarming amount of them have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
You are absolutely free to say you don't like Bioshock. But you can't call it a bad game, thats the problem, even if these games didn't make alot of money and you don't like them personally, calling them bad is objectivally lying.SirBryghtside said:Just to clear something up, listing Pac-Man for the Atari is justified, and pretty standard for these lists - it was a broken mess in the same vein as ET:
But yeah, the rest just makes it look like the guy's trying to look edgy. Then again, when asked my least favourite games I say Metroid: Other M and BioShock, so it's whatever
I wouldn't call it lying, because lying implies knowing what the truth is while expressing the falsehood. Confusing something one doesn't like for something that's "objectively bad" (whatever that even means) is a very common mistake, especially in language.Rblade said:You are absolutely free to say you don't like Bioshock. But you can't call it a bad game, thats the problem, even if these games didn't make alot of money and you don't like them personally, calling them bad is objectivally lying.
Agreed, there is NO way they've got Okami, Grim Fandango, Shenmue and Psychonauts are worse games then the likes of Duke Nukem Forever or Big Rigs. And PAC-MAN?! REALLY?! One of the DE FACTO titans of gaming in it's infancy. No way in hell that post is legitimate.Casual Shinji said:One industry darling, maybe. But 4 on one list!?
These guys are just straight up trolling, there's no other way. Even if you don't like Okami, seriously naming it a worse game than Duke Nukem Forever makes me question your sanity.
I KNEW you'd have something to say about this mess.Daystar Clarion said:*Eye twitch*
No, no, it's grand, I'll just be over here.