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[Specter Von Baren]

I genuinely don't know what you want out of this argument. Are you suggesting that everyone everywhere should have some uniform conscience that knows what is objectively right or wrong without thinking about it or communicating?

I think they might believe that Big Brother tells them what is right and wrong and there need be no further justification than that Big Brother told them so.

 

[Worgen]

Would you care to give me an example scenario where sexually abusing a child is an act of self-defense?

We are talking about something else, try to keep up.

I just gave you the literal definition of murder. What you gave were examples of people being killed, but that isn't what murder is.

Planning to kill someone outside the confines of the law is bad.
There are laws in place to explain why killing someone in self-defense is acceptable, thus not murder.
Death as punishment determined by the law is acceptable by the law, thus not murder.

It isn't nonsense for me to say that murder is bad and I don't need to defend that statement with any argument.

Lets look at the definition closely then.
"Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. "
So does that mean that any killing done by law enforcement is good? Does that mean its good if its not premeditated?

Not to mention, what constitutes a human, are humans in games counted as human? Should we get rid of all games where you kill other people since murder is bad?

 

[tstorm823]

I think they might believe that Big Brother tells them what is right and wrong and there need be no further justification than that Big Brother told them so.

That's one of those things that degrades inevitably into an uncaused cause.

 

[Agema]

Would you care to give me an example scenario where sexually abusing a child is an act of self-defense?

When someone with the immediate means to kill you threatens to do so if you don't. You might decide it's morally preferable to die rather than abuse the child, and it might not pass a legal standard of non-culpability, but it would be self-defence.

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

Lets look at the definition closely then.
"Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. "
So does that mean that any killing done by law enforcement is good? Does that mean its good if its not premeditated?

Not to mention, what constitutes a human, are humans in games counted as human? Should we get rid of all games where you kill other people since murder is bad?

Well, we need to ask if the law enforcement was actually acting within the confines of the law. If they were not, then you can say it is murder and they should be punished for it (if that happens is a different story).

Also, no one is dying in a game. A character in Call of Duty isn't alive to begin with, thus they can't be killed.
Unless you are talking about a death sport of some sort, which in that case that shouldn't be legal in the first place.

 

[BrawlMan]

Nothing further.

 

[Worgen]

Well, we need to ask if the law enforcement was actually acting within the confines of the law. If they were not, then you can say it is murder and they should be punished for it (if that happens is a different story).

Then things become even more complicated, like for instances here, generally if a cop feels threatened then they are often found to be justified in the use of deadly force. But we also know that cops tend to find black people threatening for not much of a reason, which is one reason we have all these protests going on.

Also, no one is dying in a game. A character in Call of Duty isn't alive to begin with, thus they can't be killed.
Unless you are talking about a death sport of some sort, which in that case that shouldn't be legal in the first place.

This is a different yet related argument that I don't think I want to get into.
Actually, if there was a death sports thing then it probably wouldn't be murder by the definition you linked because others would be trying to do you harm, so any action in it would be self defense so it wouldn't be bad.

Although interestingly, you still haven't said why murder is bad.

 

[fOx]

We are talking about something else, try to keep up.

No we're not, his post was the next one after yours. Answer the question, please.

There are good arguments, but he hasn't provided any.

I don't have to provide any. When the time comes, they will be made illegal, regardless of what anyone says. I don't have to justify myself in order to take these things away from you. I just have to tell you that you're not allowed to have it. But I'm only taking away things with paedophilic tendencies. Anything involving lollies or shota's, fanservice involving under age characters, any show or fan art playing to the "ara ara" fantasy, any furry material that involves "cubs," or animals that are underage... that sort of thing. As long as you aren't into that sort of stuff, you won't even be impacted at all. You probably wouldn't even notice.

 

[Worgen]

No we're not, his post was the next one after yours. Answer the question, please.

Fine, a kid holds a gun to your head and demands to get laid or she/he blows your brain out.

I don't have to provide any. When the time comes, they will be made illegal, regardless of what anyone says. I don't have to justify myself in order to take these things away from you. I just have to tell you that you're not allowed to have it. But I'm only taking away things with paedophilic tendencies. Anything involving lollies or shota's, fanservice involving under age characters, any show or fan art playing to the "ara ara" fantasy, any furry material that involves "cubs," or animals that are underage... that sort of thing. As long as you aren't into that sort of stuff, you won't even be impacted at all. You probably wouldn't even notice.

I already provided a good argument, you just missed it. What if getting rid of that stuff resulted in an increase of actual pedophile conduct with actual children?

 

[SupahEwok]

Fine, a kid holds a gun to your head and demands to get laid or she/he blows your brain out.


I already provided a good argument, you just missed it. What if getting rid of that stuff resulted in an increase of actual pedophile conduct with actual children?

You know child porn is already illegal, right? Was the Catholic Church's problem a scarcity in the supply of child porn?

 

[Worgen]

You know child porn is already illegal, right? Was the Catholic Church's problem a scarcity in the supply of child porn?

Hes talking about art work, not actual cp. Hell, it might have been, there might have been fewer priests raping children if they had access to shota porn.

 

[McElroy]

Wtf pls stop.

I will age up Boss Baby in my fanfic, I promise.

 

[Silence]

Although interestingly, you still haven't said why murder is bad.

If we go by general agreed moral, which could be called one definition of objective, or if we went with the golden rule, that was around before Jesus, Jesus said it and quite a few people after him, including Kant and other people with huge influence on the modern western world, if we take all that into account, we could think of what it says, which is that you should not do upon others which you do not want to be done to yourself, which in this case obviously means that you do not want to get murdered, therefore you should not murder other people, of course this does, as the only exception, not apply to suicidal people, though they usually have quite a few other problems than the question if it is okay for them to murder someone, but if you take them into account, and do not say that the exception proves the rule, you would still go with that if they were healthy, they would not want to get murdered, so they also should not murder someone, therefore Kant is still proven right even with that exception, which in fact proves that murder is in most objective and subjective viewpoints bad.

 

[SupahEwok]

Hes talking about art work, not actual cp. Hell, it might have been, there might have been fewer priests raping children if they had access to shota porn.

...
Yup, turning over rocks.

 

[Worgen]

If we go by general agreed moral, which could be called one definition of objective, or if we went with the golden rule, that was around before Jesus, Jesus said it and quite a few people after him, including Kant and other people with huge influence on the modern western world, if we take all that into account, we could think of what it says, which is that you should not do upon others which you do not want to be done to yourself, which in this case obviously means that you do not want to get murdered, therefore you should not murder other people, of course this does, as the only exception, not apply to suicidal people, though they usually have quite a few other problems than the question if it is okay for them to murder someone, but if you take them into account, and do not say that the exception proves the rule, you would still go with that if they were healthy, they would not want to get murdered, so they also should not murder someone, therefore Kant is still proven right even with that exception, which in fact proves that murder is in most objective and subjective viewpoints bad.

You're on the right path but I think you need to rephrase.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

...
Yup, turning over rocks.

Varg approves of providing CP to catholic priests.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Do keep in mind folks, that fOx wants Playboy, anime in general, and a facial expression outlawed. Fascism! Oh what a wonderful world this is.

 

[fOx]

Fine, a kid holds a gun to your head and demands to get laid or she/he blows your brain out.

Shoot me.

Hes talking about art work, not actual cp.

If the art work in question depicts children, I fail to see the difference. It shouldn't be allowed, period. I'm not sure why you're dying on this hill.

I already provided a good argument, you just missed it. What if getting rid of that stuff resulted in an increase of actual pedophile conduct with actual children?

Are you saying that banning shotacon, lolli's, and cubs would result in an increase in child molestation?

 

[fOx]

Do keep in mind folks, that fOx wants Playboy, anime in general, and a facial expression outlawed. Fascism! Oh what a wonderful world this is.

I want clothing with pornographic images banned in public, and anything depicting underage persons. What you do in private, with consenting adults, is your own business. Is that fascism?

 

[SupahEwok]

Do keep in mind folks, that fOx wants Playboy, anime in general, and a facial expression outlawed. Fascism! Oh what a wonderful world this is.

It's a pretty annoying facial expression, tho.

Also, nice try on attempting to redirect the thread, but I'm pretty sure most outside observers can see what it's about at this point.