The guy didn't say that he does not like MGS4, he said that he is not making a game like MGS4.
Big difference.
Big difference.
CliffyB Doesn't Like MGS4
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I think the headline completely misses the main point of the article, he's simply mentioning an area where he felt the first game failed and how he intends to improve on it.
He's not saying MGS4 is bad just that a lot of MGS4 is passive entertainment, which it is, it still gave me more hours of entertainment than GoW ever did. He didn't say he thought GoW or GoW2 would be better than MGS4....
He's not saying MGS4 is bad just that a lot of MGS4 is passive entertainment, which it is, it still gave me more hours of entertainment than GoW ever did. He didn't say he thought GoW or GoW2 would be better than MGS4....
I think the idea that CliffyB is trying to say here is that he wants to go in another direction than MGS cause they were story and sneaking heavy, whereas GoW is obviously a run and gun game. People have different play styles and at the moment, the run and gun way seems to be working out better for most, and the fast reload system and cover system introduced in GoW aids with that. Just as much as I love sneaking and espionage games, I have friends who prefer the run and gun method and we both thoroughly enjoy just about every FPS game we've played. The only part that I found to be bothersome about the idea of GoW2 was the sentence:
This time around there's more repetition.
This could lead to the game seeming melancholy and in need of a decent plot.
This time around there's more repetition.
This could lead to the game seeming melancholy and in need of a decent plot.
uh, yeah the whole article read it. his quotes are strung together jargon and catch phrases. he pinned mgs4 like it's now some common flop of a game. "games are not movies". such a shallow and boring judgment that, while it has some merits in the current arena, completely fails to really communicate anything or accomplish anything in terms of game development. i mean come on, gears of war? it's a fun shooter. with a mostly dull story and poor acting and dialog slopped over it. that's what we should expect and probably will get from gears of war 2. this arrogant stab at mgs4 accomplishes nothing other than encouraging smug smiling and nodding and 'wot wots' from the "i know what makes a game good" crowd.thebobmaster said:
web 2.0? such a mistaken label for any gears of war game. the future of cutting edge gaming will surely have its streamlined shooters, but web 2.0 refers to a completely new level of interactivity merged with the app itself, like Spore or Little Big Planet.
he mad that he cant make gears of war look as good as MGS4. 360 doesnt have the power for it.
He should make it for the ps3 it would look better
He should make it for the ps3 it would look better
I burst out laughing at this. Seriously, people make the mistake of thinking MGS4 seperate's Story and gameplay. But they miss the point. The gameplay and story go hand in hand. Honestly, if you skipped all the cutscenes in MGS3, the ending fight with the boss would mean NOTHING to you. However for those of us that did, it meant so much more than simply pressing buttons. The same goes for MGS4. If you had skipped the cutscenes, the ending fight against Liquid would have been another fight. But the fact that the ***SPOILER*** harder you hit him, the more the ocelot in him came back,***END SPOILER*** was so epic for those of us that knew the story by heart.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is NOT passive entertainment.
Honestly, I don't take this guy seriously at all. I feel like he is taking a jab at a cult hit game simply to get a Zero Punctuation affect. Honestly if he feels like hes a big shot because he is too good to enjoy a game, then screw him. If you truly like Metal Gear Solid 4, then anything this idiot says means nothing.
Also, Metal Gear Solid is NOT a series for people that have ADD.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is NOT passive entertainment.
Honestly, I don't take this guy seriously at all. I feel like he is taking a jab at a cult hit game simply to get a Zero Punctuation affect. Honestly if he feels like hes a big shot because he is too good to enjoy a game, then screw him. If you truly like Metal Gear Solid 4, then anything this idiot says means nothing.
Also, Metal Gear Solid is NOT a series for people that have ADD.
[sarcasm]Yes, because obviously graphics are the be all end all holy grail of gaming right bib?[/sarcasm]
Also, you may want to look into capitalization and punctuation, might do you some good.
I have to agree with Cliffy in all honesty. MGS has been suffering from overdoing its cutscenes and MGS4 has definitely taken that over the top. I want to play a game, not watch a damn movie. If Kojima wants to make a MGS movie that bad, maybe he should pull an Advent Children and just make a damned CGI movie.
Also, you may want to look into capitalization and punctuation, might do you some good.
I have to agree with Cliffy in all honesty. MGS has been suffering from overdoing its cutscenes and MGS4 has definitely taken that over the top. I want to play a game, not watch a damn movie. If Kojima wants to make a MGS movie that bad, maybe he should pull an Advent Children and just make a damned CGI movie.
Then don't play it. I don't see anyone forcing you to play it. It isn't a movie, and you miss the point of the cutscenes. The cutscenes give extra meaning to the gameplay. If you want to play a game, go play a game. Please do point to the person holding a gun to your head forcing you to "Watch a movie".TOGSolid said:
We that enjoy MGS4 enjoy it. We could care less if you see it as a movie. That's your ignorance.
Go play your ADD friendly gears of war.
Honestly I don't see why the hell someone is saying a game that obviously has a dedicated fan base is going "obselete".
And I do not see the point is saying that he isn't making the same kind of game. NO FUCKING SHIT?
Wow... one guy says that mgs4 is "passive entertainment" and everybody is on him, but when yahtzee disses the game for 5 minutes, nobody harldy cares.
Indeed we do, but I think it becomes clear that Yahtzee is as much of a comedian as he is a critic (not, of course, that he doesn't often come up with valid criticisms).nilcypher said:
MGS4 is a very well put together game experience, but, like they said, the amount of cutscenes "raised eyebrows." There's nothing wrong with this save perhaps the dialogue needed redundancy editing to trim it down, but that was more during exposition sequences than action.
Gears of War... it's basically something like "Predator," or "The Scorpion King" for video games. It provides a different kind of entertainment. A more mindless adrenaline kind reserved for action films when you don't want to think and just want more explosions.
Despite my hopes, I think that CliffyB might be right. It seems that often times really excellent story, characters, and dialogue can take the back burner to pretty graphics (Crysis), intense gameplay (Dark Sector, Painkiller, Condemned 2), a desire for open-ended/sandbox gameplay (Fable), or to physics puzzles (Half-Life 2). Just kidding about that last one.
The thing of it is, Cliff wasn't dissing MGS4. He didn't call it a bad game, he said it wasn't what they were making. In realistic terms, MGS4 really is the opposite of Gears of War while staying in the same third-person shooter genre. Gears has always been focused more on gameplay than story, while MGS has always been the opposite.
Don't start ranting because he's dissing the game because he isn't, he's merely pointing out that people are getting tired of story-based "action" games as the gaming population shifts from select to mainstream.
Tell me where he says MGS is a bad game in that quote.
Don't start ranting because he's dissing the game because he isn't, he's merely pointing out that people are getting tired of story-based "action" games as the gaming population shifts from select to mainstream.
My problem is that he tries to speak for everyone. I'm certainly not tired of this "passive" crap. Niether are the other millions of people that love MGS4 more than his game. I think he just has his panties in a bunch because a "passive" game is garnering more love than his precious "Web 2.0" shit,Sethran said:
I don't see what the big deal is about a game having a long intro, with the 8 minute installation once you've hit "New Game" the intro is only 15 minutes, and hell I remember seeing those Gekko way earlier than 23 minutes, but now that I remember that "Television" thing I could be wrong.
Also, I just can't comment on this article, I can't believe Cliff goes out of his way and makes a fool of himself like this, I expect another penny arcade strip making fun of him.
Besides remember when "Itagaki" was talking about how Ninja Gaiden 2 would shape the face of gaming and makes "Devil May Cry 4 look bad" and "Is better than Ninja Gaiden Sigma which has no evolution" (and Ironically, on the back of NJS's box it says "THE REAL REASON YOU BOUGHT A PS3!!!) - Gears 2 looks like it's going to be good but all these stupid attacks just make us think like they are trying too hard.
Also, I just can't comment on this article, I can't believe Cliff goes out of his way and makes a fool of himself like this, I expect another penny arcade strip making fun of him.
Besides remember when "Itagaki" was talking about how Ninja Gaiden 2 would shape the face of gaming and makes "Devil May Cry 4 look bad" and "Is better than Ninja Gaiden Sigma which has no evolution" (and Ironically, on the back of NJS's box it says "THE REAL REASON YOU BOUGHT A PS3!!!) - Gears 2 looks like it's going to be good but all these stupid attacks just make us think like they are trying too hard.