Cloning...

[rokkolpo]

Cloning for the purpose of body-bags.....yes

I will heavily reconsider if they share the thoughts we have, making them just as human as we are.

 

[standokan]

No, clones will be racism all over again, "clones aren't human just slaves" "no clones are humans too",Cloneson Clonedela, Malclone X.

 

[Thaluikhain]

No, clones will be racism all over again, "clones aren't human just slaves" "no clones are humans too",Cloneson Clonedela, Malclone X.

great job not reading the full OP

But worth it for the name jokes.

 

[ApeShapeDeity]

Technically, growing in vitro organs, tissues et cetera isn't exactly cloning. This thechnology is still in it's infancy, but is progressing nicely.

It more or less started with growing an ear on the back of a mouse. Kinda gross, but no doubt a bit better than missing an ear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1949073.stm

Cloning ANYTHING is problematic. Take Dolly the sheep. Personally, I don't think cloning any full creatures is a good idea.

 

[SwagLordYoloson]

Cloning Animals will solve world hunger

Um...how? People have been breeding animals for food for millenia.

How does doing it in a lab at massive expense work better than letting the creatures breed naturally?

Even if it was only a couple of more animals a year, it would still help towards the effort

 

[Thaluikhain]

Cloning Animals will solve world hunger

Um...how? People have been breeding animals for food for millenia.

How does doing it in a lab at massive expense work better than letting the creatures breed naturally?

Even if it was only a couple of more animals a year, it would still help towards the effort

Yeah, but you could get a male animal and a female animal that loved each other very much and...

There is absolutely no point in going to the massive expense of cloning animals that are already reproducing in huge numbers as it is.

 

[sam42ification]

I am not very humane so cloning is fine to me. Cloning some one then making them do your will to me is fine. You went to effort of cloning that person. I have a feeling saying this people will bring up the "We shouldn't try to play god" argument but i feel if we are ever going to evolve we need to start trying. I say we bring them onto this earth we can controll them and dispose of them at will. It would be more humane to tell them "Thats how every one lives" and feed them lies to keep them from rebelion. Maybe I'm a cold heartless basterd but i feel that clones should be controlled. I would hate to have another me wondering around the streets. I wouldn't mind it/me stayed at home cleaning but thats where i draw the line. Screw human rights if we created them. I know there is going to be a lot of negitive feed back to this but i stand by what i say and i feel it's fine to start playing god. How else are going to become more intelligent beings. Clearly what were doing now is too slow.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I am not very humane so cloning is fine to me. Cloning some one then making them do your will to me is fine. You went to effort of cloning that person. I have a feeling saying this people will bring up the "We shouldn't try to play god" argument but i feel if we are ever going to evolve we need to start trying. I say we bring them onto this earth we can controll them and dispose of them at will. It would be more humane to tell them "Thats how every one lives" and feed them lies to keep them from rebelion. Maybe I'm a cold heartless basterd but i feel that clones should be controlled. I would hate to have another me wondering around the streets. I wouldn't mind it/me stayed at home cleaning but thats where i draw the line. Screw human rights if we created them. I know there is going to be a lot of negitive feed back to this but i stand by what i say and i feel it's fine to start playing god. How else are going to become more intelligent beings. Clearly what were doing now is too slow.

How can evolution be too slow if it's aimless?...it's by no means a linear progression with a "maximum intelligence" goal. The results of our unique intelligence so far are quite amazing, but have also drastically increased the toxicity and potential deadliness of our planet, as well as narrowing bio-diversity.

If evolution is about adaptability & living in relative harmony with your surroundings...we have thoroughly screwed the pooch. But hey...at least we're intelligent.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression. I don't hate people, nor do I hold us accountable for what the species has done. We're 7 billion individuals(not a unified species)living in an inherited world and we're forever working from a place of ignorance(the whole world runs on fossil fuels for feck's sake, that's crazy).

That's why I'm glad that we have trepidation about these things, we don't know how it'll turn out. I'm all for growing body parts for medical purposes, it's the moment you start talking about growing complex organisms with brains that I get a little conflicted.

The idea that we would use the technology to make slaves is grotesque. You want to talk about progression/advancement? How about social advancement? At this point in time we fairly uniformly agree that slavery is a bad thing that belongs in the past.

 

[SwagLordYoloson]

Cloning Animals will solve world hunger

Um...how? People have been breeding animals for food for millenia.

How does doing it in a lab at massive expense work better than letting the creatures breed naturally?

Even if it was only a couple of more animals a year, it would still help towards the effort

Yeah, but you could get a male animal and a female animal that loved each other very much and...

There is absolutely no point in going to the massive expense of cloning animals that are already reproducing in huge numbers as it is.

But... But... oh noes my flawed logic loses out once again..

 

[Alizee Serenity]

The cloning and growing of body parts for the use of transplant? I'm all for it! Just don't tell the Repo Man he's out of a job.

 

[sam42ification]

I am not very humane so cloning is fine to me. Cloning some one then making them do your will to me is fine. You went to effort of cloning that person. I have a feeling saying this people will bring up the "We shouldn't try to play god" argument but i feel if we are ever going to evolve we need to start trying. I say we bring them onto this earth we can controll them and dispose of them at will. It would be more humane to tell them "Thats how every one lives" and feed them lies to keep them from rebelion. Maybe I'm a cold heartless basterd but i feel that clones should be controlled. I would hate to have another me wondering around the streets. I wouldn't mind it/me stayed at home cleaning but thats where i draw the line. Screw human rights if we created them. I know there is going to be a lot of negitive feed back to this but i stand by what i say and i feel it's fine to start playing god. How else are going to become more intelligent beings. Clearly what were doing now is too slow.

How can evolution be too slow if it's aimless?...it's by no means a linear progression with a "maximum intelligence" goal. The results of our unique intelligence so far are quite amazing, but have also drastically increased the toxicity and potential deadliness of our planet, as well as narrowing bio-diversity.

If evolution is about adaptability & living in relative harmony with your surroundings...we have thoroughly screwed the pooch. But hey...at least we're intelligent.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression. I don't hate people, nor do I hold us accountable for what the species has done. We're 7 billion individuals(not a unified species)living in an inherited world and we're forever working from a place of ignorance(the whole world runs on fossil fuels for feck's sake, that's crazy).

That's why I'm glad that we have trepidation about these things, we don't know how it'll turn out. I'm all for growing body parts for medical purposes, it's the moment you start talking about growing complex organisms with brains that I get a little conflicted.

The idea that we would use the technology to make slaves is grotesque. You want to talk about progression/advancement? How about social advancement? At this point in time we fairly uniformly agree that slavery is a bad thing that belongs in the past.

I never said evolution is linier or that it has the ultimate goal of intelligence but what i'm saying is at the rate we are going we are bound to either kill ourselves or into much more intelligent beings. When we first started the human body was growing much more in strenght than intelligance but now we are not using our bodies any more it's bound to happen one day we wont need them. There just flabby skin holding us back from what we could discover. Any ways i don't think slavery is wrong becasue we do it every day. In one way or another people are ordering around other people or animals. We definatly haven't gotten rid of slavery and the countless amount of speices that have died out is our fault. Denie it as much as you wont but i want you to think really hard about how we still inslave other people and animals and how were still as brutal now as we were before the 1960s. Were still as a big dicks of a race now as we were when we were enslaving people. The only difference is the way we do it a little more suttle. I think we are just going to disagree with each other but try and think about what i have said because i thought long and hard before posting this reply. Moving foward socially won't do that much good becasue there is a boundary of how social you can be but there is no boundary for intellect. You can never know every thing but we can still try. Sure it's a pointless goal but what is the point of every thing. Living to survive and be nice to every one and object people like me is a pretty crappy way to live. Personally i think we can do what ever we like to clones becasue we have already enslaved every other speciese we know of.

 

[RatRace123]

I'm all for cloning and its possibilities. If a cloned version of me exists simply to function as a spare set of parts I'd be cool with that.
It'd be creepy, and I hope my clone would be a vegetable because if he ever gained mental function, I'm not sure he wouldn't try to kill me and take my place... but I'd still be cool with it.
I'd more prefer just single body parts though, so I never have to engage in a bloody confrontation with a doppleganger.

Unless, what if we also found a way to "transfer" your mind into your clone, sorta like Avatar, only not with giant blue kitty cat people.
That'd be cool too.

 

[Lord Doomhammer]

Arent scientists working on cloning human organs for transplants right now? I'm fairly sure they can take a sample of your tissues and then condition it to grow into a kidney or something in a little vat of stem cells or something. I'm not that well informed on this one, so correct me if I'm wrong...

That said, IF we could work out how to implement someone's memories I'd be interested in seeing the recently dead cloned back into life, like what they did in Crackdown (the game). Like bringing back cops or soldiers who died in the line of duty. Just like bringing back a computer with a system restore... sort of. I't probably be an iffy idea, but I think it'd be cool.

 

[Booze Zombie]

How do you get a blank clone? It has its own brain, own experiences, own memories, thoughts, hopes, dreams...

To transfer your mind into it, displacing its own mind, would essentially be murder.

A clone with no mind, held in a permanent state of physical maturity and mental inactivity.

 

[Booze Zombie]

an arm or a leg cannot be easily cloned. the arm would have no muscletissue whatsoever, rendering it less useful then prosthetics. and by the time we can clone arms WITH muscles, we can certainly make prosthetics connected to your nerves (for easy movement and sensory input). so prosthetics would be better in every way, as they're stronger then flesh, and don't need a long time to grow.

Growing a fully-functional arm or leg from a cell can't be all that difficult once we've got the tech.
I hope.

 

[Brutal Peanut]

Cloning healthy functioning organs for people in need of transplants? - yes.

As long as it doesn't turn out like, "The Island", I think it will be alright.

 

[Shadow_Bunnies]

What a lot of people here seem to fail to realize is that you can clone individual organs without the actual person being made as well.

 

[Nexoram]

A simple question, do you think cloning will be useful?
For me, yes I think cloning will be useful. See, I've got terrible tooth damage and if someone could clone me a new pair, rip out my old ones and transplant the new ones, I'd take them in a heartbeat.

Same with losing an arm or an eye, just grow one (check it against medical records and make sure it's all healthy) and replace the broken bit.
Note: I don't support the growing of sentient clones, just body parts.

I doubt everyone will think it'll be this simple, though.
So, let's hear your opinions!

@ First,when I read the title, I thought you meant cloning an entire human body. Than I actually read the post >.>. Anyway doesn't that already exist? Growing back arms, legs and other bodily parts using stem cells or something? I reckon that it would be mightily useful but it would cost a lot and would be slow to grow. Maybe in the future, it would be quick and easy. That would be great. No one would have to worry that much about getting hurt.

 

[Booze Zombie]

@ First,when I read the title, I thought you meant cloning an entire human body. Than I actually read the post >.>. Anyway doesn't that already exist? Growing back arms, legs and other bodily parts using stem cells or something? I reckon that it would be mightily useful but it would cost a lot and would be slow to grow. Maybe in the future, it would be quick and easy. That would be great. No one would have to worry that much about getting hurt.

It's an easy mistake it make, as not everyone thinks in the same way.

Anyway, I meant perhaps a more advanced version of that which could be applied in an inexpensive and efficient manner... might happen in the next ten years; we can dream.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I am not very humane so cloning is fine to me. Cloning some one then making them do your will to me is fine. You went to effort of cloning that person. I have a feeling saying this people will bring up the "We shouldn't try to play god" argument but i feel if we are ever going to evolve we need to start trying. I say we bring them onto this earth we can controll them and dispose of them at will. It would be more humane to tell them "Thats how every one lives" and feed them lies to keep them from rebelion. Maybe I'm a cold heartless basterd but i feel that clones should be controlled. I would hate to have another me wondering around the streets. I wouldn't mind it/me stayed at home cleaning but thats where i draw the line. Screw human rights if we created them. I know there is going to be a lot of negitive feed back to this but i stand by what i say and i feel it's fine to start playing god. How else are going to become more intelligent beings. Clearly what were doing now is too slow.

How can evolution be too slow if it's aimless?...it's by no means a linear progression with a "maximum intelligence" goal. The results of our unique intelligence so far are quite amazing, but have also drastically increased the toxicity and potential deadliness of our planet, as well as narrowing bio-diversity.

If evolution is about adaptability & living in relative harmony with your surroundings...we have thoroughly screwed the pooch. But hey...at least we're intelligent.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression. I don't hate people, nor do I hold us accountable for what the species has done. We're 7 billion individuals(not a unified species)living in an inherited world and we're forever working from a place of ignorance(the whole world runs on fossil fuels for feck's sake, that's crazy).

That's why I'm glad that we have trepidation about these things, we don't know how it'll turn out. I'm all for growing body parts for medical purposes, it's the moment you start talking about growing complex organisms with brains that I get a little conflicted.

The idea that we would use the technology to make slaves is grotesque. You want to talk about progression/advancement? How about social advancement? At this point in time we fairly uniformly agree that slavery is a bad thing that belongs in the past.

I never said evolution is linier or that it has the ultimate goal of intelligence but what i'm saying is at the rate we are going we are bound to either kill ourselves or into much more intelligent beings. When we first started the human body was growing much more in strenght than intelligance but now we are not using our bodies any more it's bound to happen one day we wont need them. There just flabby skin holding us back from what we could discover. Any ways i don't think slavery is wrong becasue we do it every day. In one way or another people are ordering around other people or animals. We definatly haven't gotten rid of slavery and the countless amount of speices that have died out is our fault. Denie it as much as you wont but i want you to think really hard about how we still inslave other people and animals and how were still as brutal now as we were before the 1960s. Were still as a big dicks of a race now as we were when we were enslaving people. The only difference is the way we do it a little more suttle. I think we are just going to disagree with each other but try and think about what i have said because i thought long and hard before posting this reply. Moving foward socially won't do that much good becasue there is a boundary of how social you can be but there is no boundary for intellect. You can never know every thing but we can still try. Sure it's a pointless goal but what is the point of every thing. Living to survive and be nice to every one and object people like me is a pretty crappy way to live. Personally i think we can do what ever we like to clones becasue we have already enslaved every other speciese we know of.

Ok, thanks for talking to me as though I wouldn't understand what is actually a fairly common outlook towards modern life...

I don't buy into the idea that we are all "enslaved by the system". A society geared towards production may seem trapping, but I assure you that "money for labour" is pretty different to "labour or I'll whip/kill you". One is essentially bartering, whilst the other marks a complete absence of choice.

If we are playing fast and loose with the term "slavery", then living in the wild is surely "slavery" too. You'd still have to toil in order to eat, hunting without firearms(created by a production oriented society)isn't easy, which is my point. If we're "enslaved", it's to our own needs...which aren't going away.

I'd rather put in a little work to contribute to a system that provides healthcare(medical science, the only reason why we're having this conversation...on computers, which again wouldn't be possible), clothing, homes, a myriad of leisure activities...than to enslave organisms which are every bit the same as me, but for being born in a lab rather than falling out of a vagina.

Your definition of "slavery" is: not getting everything handed to you whilst offering nothing in return...