COD: Why all the hate?

[sleeperhit79]

gamers especially the most hardcore of the hardcore are pretty fickle and fiercely defensive of whatever they like to the point of not making sense and disproving their own points with their arguments. One of the most used argument is that COD hasn't innovated much. Usually the person that makes that argument is someone who loves BF. I have played at least the last 4 BF's and while I do like the games, they haven't innovated either. The only one that can really complain about innovation is the gamer that is switching from one series to the other. Anyone that has played the last 3 versions either series is probably only using innovation as an argument because they heard it in another thread. Cod has the largest sales numbers ever and honestly a very large portion of those fans have never been on a internet forum or ever will. Bf on the other hand is more of a core gamer/computer nerd thing and as such you will constantly see them crying on boards about how COD sucks even though critics give both games similar scores. Oh and to call BF realistic is a joke, try a game like ARMA or red orchestra and you'll be begging for some COD afterwards.

 

[Signa]

The best things about these threads is they are titled EXACTLY the same each time.

 

[Nazulu]

It's since Call of Duty is so popular. People on the internet like to make themselves feel special by saying they hate it. I don't blame them, it's in their nature to be horrible.

And you know what else is horrible, ignoring all complaints and generalising everyone you disagree with. You probably won't understand though, it's in your nature to be horrible.

 

[thatguy105]

Because its infecting FPS's. Other are trying to be more COD-like. Battlefield, i LOVE badcompany 2, then BF3 they introduced "Prone" just like COD. Medal Of Honor had Killstreaks...like COD. Its a good shooter, but thats it. Its good, not outstanding, not amazing. Just good, even worse is the 10 year olds who play it.

um...prone was actually taken AWAY from the bad company games, the first battlefields had prone in them. Honestly, why are people thinking COD came up with older mechanics? almost everything from the modern warfare games have been done in battlefield 1942,vietnam,2,2142,and now 3. And 1942 came out in what? 2002? and BF2 2004-5?

It's seems like a matter of,dare I say, BF fanboys reaching for reasons to hyperbolize COD's success as being detrimental to the FPS genre. Whenever this topic is discussed,it seems as though anything that can be attributed exclusive to the COD series (even if falsely attributed) is vilified solely because it provides a premise to the argument for why COD is evil and potentially harmful to the FPS genre.

 

[Pharsalus]

I've got some gripes with CoD here and there but the main thing that has struck me since MW1 is the lack of innovation. The engine has been polished a bit but it's still pretty much the same from 4 years ago. The series is in such a dominant position that they don't need to try new things as far as gameplay, and are probably afraid to do so lest they alienate their massive fan base, The tyranny of the masses has resulted in stagnation. I'm not a huge Halo fan but the differences between the first 3 games are staggering compared to the homogeneity of the CoD series.

 

[Keepeas]

Re-release every year with little change + stubborn fan-boys = HATE

Honestly, if they have Treyarch making shit on the off year nobody would care.

 

[Joshimodo]

-Boring
-Rehashed so many times
-Superior FPS games out there
-Easy
-Lack of innovation beyond perk/killstreak system introduced in 4
-Lack of advancement in technology


Etc.

 

[ninetails593]

It's since Call of Duty is so popular. People on the internet like to make themselves feel special by saying they hate it. I don't blame them, it's in their nature to be horrible.

And you know what else is horrible, ignoring all complaints and generalising everyone you disagree with. You probably won't understand though, it's in your nature to be horrible.

Oh hello there, thanks for the aggression. Infinity Ward has been solely catering to complaints. Look at the trailers! There are so many moments that basically go: "Look what we fixed, ". Also, it's hard not to generalize when every argument against Call of Duty is: "Graphics same, too much money, too frequent, too similar". When the complaints start getting unique, I'll stop generalizing fanboys.

-Boring
-Rehashed so many times
-Superior FPS games out there
-Easy
-Lack of innovation beyond perk/killstreak system introduced in 4
-Lack of advancement in technology


Etc.

-Faster pace than others
-Same goes to many FPS games
-Matter of opinion
-Gotten that nuke emblem yet?
-New killstreak system
-Then why does it look good?

 

[WaffleCopters]

the simplest way i put it is:

Now that the original creators of CoD have ABSOLUTELY ZERO input, you arent gonna get the same game. or at least even the slighest bit of originality to make a cod game better then the last.

but a less "I hate treyarch" bias reason:

Probably because it just went so well over a period (like halo in that respect) but managed to get a terrible community and reputation due to reasons and now is a joke (just like halo in that respect)

Or maybe that CoD started to take itself too seriously after MW2 got hated on... because it was too Fun over Realism game.

people WILL play it splitscreen or system link, even if they despise the online gaming of it (just like halo... seeing a pattern here?!).

Well Black Ops was the first CoD game I ever bought, and I quite like it. Though I hear that it's the same as MW2, which was the same as MW, and so on.

wherever you heard that from is completely wrong. Modern Warfare 1 was a classic example, and innovative of its time in many aspects. Then Mw2 came along and added shits n giggles to the MW franchise. Then blackops came along and kicked the founders of MW out and shat on their game. AGAIN. they did so by removing all the shits n giggles gameplay previously mentioned which made MW2 the best of the CoD so far if you prefer gameplay over realism.


I might also point out here, that some people may hate it purely because it was proven that the games sell better if they have Call of Duty in the name... then because its made by the company... IW, treyarch or whatever... SLedgehammer studios...

 

[Korten12]

Yes, the games are mostly the same from a visual and gameplay standpoint, and I understand we all like a good amount of innovation, but seriously? Do you just hate it because it makes a lot of money? Is it because the utterly simple run and gun mechanics, which is only one of the many playstyles, are working and doing what the industry was designed for in the first place, making money? What makes me wonder this the most, is the fact that most people who will argue against COD will crucify themselves in the name of Battlefield, which does the same damn thing with a few different mechanics. (destroy-able cover, vehicles, and more strategic play typically for BF, Perks, killstreak rewards, and a more berserk style of play typically for COD) Seriously, could someone explain to me what COD has done to deserve the verbal crucifictions it gets, and as an addition, what BF does differently?

WHY WHYY!!!!!!!!!!!

D: I was so hoping this would stop... It just brings the haters out!

 

[Nihilism_Is_Bliss]

Boring, generic and entirely overrated.

Might not be terrible games, but they really aren't good either.

 

[Smooth Operator]

I'm not really big on first-person shooters, but I don't see anything that makes COD any worse than any other series. Maybe some people see it as a threat to other FPS's considering how popular it is.

And that is what it has proven itself to be, because the game is set up for childish simplicity and made somuch money Scrooge McDuck would be put to shame everyone is looking at it as the "lead in the FPS genre".

Now we got every developer and their grandma slashing off every possible FPS feature in the hope to make the same success story... that's just not cool.

 

[WaffleCopters]

Honestly I actually think CoD4 is one of the all time greats so I can't exactly be unbiased about this.

First off, Saying you like Modern Warfare 1 (if you wonder why im calling it that you need to do some research about the MW series PRIOR to the IW founders being kicked out) is different to saying you like CoD... CoD and MW were meant to be different series', but of course MW1 worked too well, so treyarch wouldnt hear of it and continued the CoD with the same sort of gameplay as MW1, meaning MW couldnt split off, and eventually became just part of CoD again.

 

[johnstamos]

because old first person shooters were better, presented more of a challenge, had at least some focus on making a single player campaign and didn't charge 60 dollars for whats essentially a patch for the multiplayer

 

[Ixnay1111]

I like COD but seeing as its been the only fps my friends have wanted to play over the last... 5 years? Im kinda over it in a big way.

 

[Nazulu]

It's since Call of Duty is so popular. People on the internet like to make themselves feel special by saying they hate it. I don't blame them, it's in their nature to be horrible.

And you know what else is horrible, ignoring all complaints and generalising everyone you disagree with. You probably won't understand though, it's in your nature to be horrible.

Oh hello there, thanks for the aggression. Infinity Ward has been solely catering to complaints. Look at the trailers! There are so many moments that basically go: "Look what we fixed, ". Also, it's hard not to generalize when every argument against Call of Duty is: "Graphics same, too much money, too frequent, too similar". When the complaints start getting unique, I'll stop generalizing fanboys.

Fanboys? Aren't the fanboys the ones who like the game so much they will defend it no matter what it's flaws? I think your the fanboy, especially when you refuse to understand the complaints and then start to generalise them all when a lot of 'em actually stick. The campaigns are very short, they are all pretty much the same game and they are playing it super safe. I believe they have enough money to build their own empire now and so I reckon they could make a much bigger COD and explore new territory.

Also, don't assume that I'm aggressive, that's as bad as generalising. I'm just using your words against you so you can find out what it's like, and I bet you don't like it.

 

[Wedgetail122]

I Dislike COD becuase of the developers behind the game, Activision, (that and t5he lack of fighter jets) they are extreemly greedy and manage to pull a game out from its nether every year, 2 years of production time is not enough time to create a Single Player Experience thas more than 4 hours gameplay, now there is Call of Duty: Elite, which is a monthly service for a fee, whilst battlefield offers the EXACT SAME SERVICE FOR FREE, then there are the overpriced DLC Map packs, (Which DICE offers for free) then there is the fact that there is nothing new about the game but some more maps, a fancy grenade luancher, and some new kill streaks. Come on, at least Halo 3 got a graphics update. Battleifield, well, we all loved battlefield 2, and Battlefield 3 will not be like Bad Company 2, yes, we will see the same driving mechanics and the same shooting controls, as well as the destructable cover, instead the maps will be more open, large, more weapons with an interesting feel, IMMERSION, it is not realistic, (no game is) but it FEELS realistic, becuase its like your there, considering that you actually have arms and legs and aren't a pair of hands and a gun with a camera masking taped to them. The maps are actually balanced with room for snipers and chocke points, along with suppression points, ablilities and Fighter jets, that and the new bi pod, and the ability to drag your injured teamate into cover to revive him, oh yes and did I mention fighter jets, it feels so good, and fighter jets, FIGHTER JETS!

 

[Nazulu]

If something gets too popular a lot of people will hate it, no matter what the objective quality.

Lil Wayne is a great example of this. CoD is an even better example.

Yep, that's how you ignore all criticisms. However, your argument is generalising and holds no ground.

The more popular it is the more people will have heard of it (yyyyyep). Ergo the more people who would otherwise have not sought it out have now and found it not to their taste.

Honestly I actually think CoD4 is one of the all time greats so I can't exactly be unbiased about this. I usually tend to side with the critics (60 percent of the time at least) and in that regard it is in no way hated. Critics line up to kiss CoD's ass like there's a coupon giveaway involved. That joke was so much funnier in my head. Why am I saying this? Why don't you stop me?

I can't disagree with that, the more popular something gets, the more people have heard of it and the more complaints you will hear about it. However, once again, what you said only sums up at the very least half of the whiners while there are many complaints that do hold ground, and your not challenging them at all.

As for COD 4, it is an awesome game. I thoroughly enjoyed the campaign and that's because it was done very well in many ways, as well as placing me in many different situations that were all quite challenging or scenes that were horrifying. Even though the ending was a bit abrupt, I still have fun playing it over again.

 

[ninetails593]

It's since Call of Duty is so popular. People on the internet like to make themselves feel special by saying they hate it. I don't blame them, it's in their nature to be horrible.

And you know what else is horrible, ignoring all complaints and generalising everyone you disagree with. You probably won't understand though, it's in your nature to be horrible.

Oh hello there, thanks for the aggression. Infinity Ward has been solely catering to complaints. Look at the trailers! There are so many moments that basically go: "Look what we fixed, ". Also, it's hard not to generalize when every argument against Call of Duty is: "Graphics same, too much money, too frequent, too similar". When the complaints start getting unique, I'll stop generalizing fanboys.

Fanboys? Aren't the fanboys the ones who like the game so much they will defend it no matter what it's flaws? I think your the fanboy, especially when you refuse to understand the complaints and then start to generalise them all when a lot of 'em actually stick. The campaigns are very short, they are all pretty much the same game and they are playing it super safe. I believe they have enough money to build their own empire now and so I reckon they could make a much bigger COD and explore new territory.

Also, don't assume that I'm aggressive, that's as bad as generalising. I'm just using your words against you so you can find out what it's like, and I bet you don't like it.

You are being quite aggressive. You are bringing unnecessary hatred to what I wish to be a casual discussion. I am indeed a fanboy of Call of Duty, however I hate the rivalry with Battlefield. It's an embarrassment to gamers as a whole to be stuck in such a childish argument. I understand what's wrong about each game. CoD 4 had unbalanced perks, MW2 had overpowered weaponry. Generalization is not a bad thing. It is a way to discuss a topic without detailed information. Since I was not given something to be specific about, generalization was a rational and correct response. The campaigns are actually quite long, and I must say, many people are playing the franchise for the story. We want to see the story of Price and MacTavish. They play it safe because they don't have to make radical changes to their game. They already have great sales, they don't need to change everything. They don't need to make a bigger CoD, CoD is already big. That's like making a bigger Zelda. It's already big, it already sells well.

 

[GraveeKing]

What's the point of me just posting the same damn paragraph every time?

So I'll shorten it down a bit:
It's the fact they don't do anything to actually improve the game! Remember when left4dead announced it's sequel everyone was angry because it was 'too soon' and got boycotted so much, well that's how a lot of people have been seeing the modern warfare series; just a new release, not much added or changed - minor improvements that could have been a DLC campaign at most.
So with every new release, and now modern warfare 3 on the way people are beginning to get a bit irritated that nothing has changed, henceforth the hate for a lazily made series.

That wasn't shortened at all was it....
Oh well as long as I NEVER HAVE TO SEE THIS CURSED THREAD AGAIN.