Colleges and Employers Now Requiring Applicants' Facebook Passwords

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TestECull said:
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Dont be gullible. The program still does it, It only asks if you wish to share it with steam. But that was not actually what I was talking about. Steam records all sorts of data that it really has no reason to have and does so on the basis of "offering you a better service" like what games you buy, what games your playing, how long youve been playing, etc

I've done the research. Steam does nothing I don't want it to do. But hey, I guess you can't see it through your tin foil hat.
Ohkaay So we ignore the fact that Steam records data and focus on the argument that recently came up as a topic in the forums so as it supports your point. Ok. So long as you ignore the fact that you can see how many users are online or how many hours youve played a certain game or any of the other bits of data you are providing them as tracking your personal metrics thats your prerogative but you cannot ignore that it IS tracking your personal information and there is NO way you get to turn that off if you dont approve of it now is there?

As for wal-mart.. what kind of idiot buys anything at wal-mart knowing that they are a major reason why the countries economy is fucked right now and a major reason why we are addicted to cheap Chinese shit products.

Lolwut? Walmart didn't have a goddamn thing to do with the economy crashing. Watch the news once in a while, even with Fox and MSNBC's blatant biases you'd be able to gather that it was a combination of subprime mortgages, instabilities in oil-rich nations, wild speculation on wall street and general financial douchebaggery by investment bankers that crashed the economy. Walmart is, if anything, helping to fix it, as they sell things and the economy usually recovers when people buy things.
Your right because exporting the manufacturing jobs over to china hand over fist through the 80s and 90s had absolutely no impact on the job market. Mirroring the cheap manufacturing obtained from china certainly had nothing to do with Walmart being one of the most profitable corporations in the world, helping to reduce the validity of entry level employment by not allowing overtime, neglecting insurance, and basically treating their employees like they live in a third world country. Muscling out any form of competition whenever possible did not weaken the commercial infrastructure of the country . Walmart is still damaging the economy by pushing the wealth generated from the manufacturing industry out of the country while perpetuating the concept of a disposable world and continually rolling back the standard of living on its employees. If your limiting your research to fox, MSNBC, CNN, and the other media outlets Its understandable if you dont see the entire picture and that does not even take into consideration walmarts agenda of planned obsolescence and inferior quality to generate future sales.

Walmarts actions are like sawing the legs of the chair half way by weaking the industrial and commercial infrastructure. The things you cited are very real factors but its like setting down on the chair and immediately falling to the floor. Or... like sitting in a chair you bought at walmart.


But the real question is.. Why bring up the point of where you buy batteries?
I don't know, you tell me. You're the one that brought it up.

No, I brought up giving info at Radio shack, your the one honed in on batteries like it had anything to do with anything. Credit where credit is due, plus did I say that they were double A batteries? What about NICAD batteries that wont be any cheaper at Walmart than radio shack anyway?


As for AT&T calling to tell you the internet is going to be down? FUCK AT&T. I dont WANT them calling me cause Im pretty sure that if the Internet goes down I will be able to figure out its offline.

You conveniently forgot the second half of my statement. All you'd know is it's down. You wouldn't know if it was the router, their service, an act of God, a car crash, flooded phone lines, nothing. Me? I'd know exactly why it was down and how long until they get it back up.
No i didnt not forget your second half, I am fully capable of troubleshooting my internet connection. I would know within 5 min times if it was one of my computers, the modem, the router causing the problem or if my bill was past due. Any problem beyond that is the ISPs problem and honestly WHY they arent working is irrelevant. How long is sort of Irrelevant too because Im not so connected to the internet that being down for half a day is really going to bother me, but what WILL piss me off is getting a robocall, or hell even a live representative from India to tell me how my service will be down WILL piss me the hell off.


The funniest thing about it? You're spazzing out over absolutely nothing. All I have to do is tell them to bugger off with the calls and they delete my number. They actually respect their customer's wishes in that regard, they only call you if you want them to call you, and only on things you want them to call you about....and if the account's not paid up.
Well Im not spazzing over anything. Im simply disagreeing with you. As for AT&T respecting anyone or anything, as someone who once worked for them, I call bullshit on that because I have seen just a glimpse of their inner workings. Also, it does not matter why they are calling, If you gave them your info be it phone number, email address anything, you still perpetuated the precedent and that is WHY there is a problem in the first place.


And you DO have a choice because if you are not compelled to provide that info, you do not have to get service with them. You want to run a competitor's lines out here? I'm out on the edge of DSL service. I am, quite literally, the last person on the node. DSL service stops at my driveway. There is NOBODY ELSE! It's either ATT or Dialup......which uses the home phone line as well.


I don't have a choice. It's either they have a home phone line, which I may remind you is kept only because it's required for internet service and isn't used, or we don't have internet. It's quite literally as simple as that, and unless you want to shell out the money to run competitors out into Bumfuck, Egypt, shut the hell up about it.
Its your problem, and that problem is not representative of most people in this country. Ive lived over 60 miles away from a town with a population that barely topped 30k, and was still able to get cable broadband since 2000, and Im fully aware that ANYWHERE in the US is accessible to Sat based DSL such as WildBlue who specializes in rural broadband that has nothing to do with phonelines whatsoever.


It might be more expensive than a traditional broadband connection but Im pretty certain it is cheaper than having a DSL connection plus a phone line and last I checked it can get signal to the poles of the planet. Again, your specific issue is not representative of the largest bulk of people with broadband internet access.

However, on this you are right. People SHOULD be pissed about these organizations asking for this info and SHOULD be fighting against invasions of privacy. I did not suggest that people should not be fighting against it.

Then stop spazzing out and calling all of them tosspots already.
I could only speculate as to what the meaning of a tosspot is without having to look it up. Never heard that one. Kudos. But Id say it would be hard for me to call anyone something I was not aware that existed.
So again, No. I have no sympathy for people complaining about a problem they created.

You're sitting in it too. Stop spazzing out and get to fixing. It won't get dealt with if people like you can't calm the hell down for five seconds and realize that pointlessly attacking one group isn't going to accomplish a damn thing.


No different than watching C-span, I swear.
Im not spazzing or attacking anyone or anything here. I expressed that I have no sympathy for those who created the problem complaining about it when the problem grows. I have done my part and continue to do so, practically no information about me on the internet is real outside of a few references to my name, most companies I deal with have next to no actual information about me, nor do I give it out. About the only thing thats about me online that I can think of is the news report where I got shot and honestly even that was done against my will, however I was unable to stop it as it was posted while I was still being stitched up.

Now I have said what I intended to on the matter as well as disagree with your disagreements. Nothing else I can say on this subject would be really adding anything to the conversation. So I respectfully agree to disagree and wish you well as I have other things to attend to today and honestly keeping the [ quote ][ / quote] formatting straight is getting to be a job in and of itself
 

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Actually. Handing over your Facebook password to an employer/college is in breach of terms and conditions you agreed to when signing up to use Facebook.

Registration and Account Security

Facebook users provide their real names and information, and we need your help to keep it that way. Here are some commitments you make to us relating to registering and maintaining the security of your account:

You will not provide any false personal information on Facebook, or create an account for anyone other than yourself without permission.
You will not create more than one personal profile.
If we disable your account, you will not create another one without our permission.
You will not use your personal profile for your own commercial gain (such as selling your status update to an advertiser).
You will not use Facebook if you are under 13.
You will not use Facebook if you are a convicted sex offender.
You will keep your contact information accurate and up-to-date.
You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account.
You will not transfer your account (including any page or application you administer) to anyone without first getting our written permission.
If you select a username for your account we reserve the right to remove or reclaim it if we believe appropriate (such as when a trademark owner complains about a username that does not closely relate to a user's actual name).

It is highly possible for Facebook to close your account for doing so. I don't see how this is legal.
 

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Don't worry Americans, you can use your freedom to bear arms to prevent this, like your always banging on about.
I think you confused the Fifth and First Amendment with the Second.

While I like the second a lot. My country only gives me freedom of speech. But regulates it. They could give me the second to compensate for it.
 

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Irridium said:
What if I don't have a facebook account?
that's what I am wondering, or does the employers head explode at the notion of not having a Facebook account.
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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The day I need to legally surrender my password in order to get a job is the day I delete Facebook. I'll still want the job and Facebook just isn't that important to me but there is no way in hell I'm letting my boss control my account.
 

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Wow... I'm in the military, and people think WE are bad at being intrusive!!! I guess people still have the right to say 'F*ck off', well, i'd hope so anyway! I'd rather delete the bastard account than have that!

Then again if I try and log onto facebook on a computer I haven't used before my account locks down, and I have to go into my email and answer security questions! So it wouldn't bother me giving them my password... they wouldn't be able to log on anyway!! :p
 

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Angry Juju said:
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This is completely wrong.

Luckily I never post on Facebook, only use it for inboxing and stuff, but god, I would not want my job looking at some of the stuff I say there.

It's pretty much like asking for your email address, or to go through your phone. It doesn't have a place.

Fr said:
anc[is]Solution: don't use Facebook. Nobody gives a shit about what you just ate or the song lyrics you just posted anyway.
Saldy FB is a massive part of social life nowadays, keeping in the loop with people and stuff. I only use it to attend events and inbox people, cos it save A LOT of money on texting, but you know. It's useful, just posting stuff is idiotic.
No, you believe that it's a massive part of social life, a lot of people see no need for facebook and don't have any trouble by not having a facebook account.

and it doesn't save that much money on texts.. unless you're having a conversation with your friend through texts (which is stupid in my opinion) then you're not spending more than $2-3 a week at most.
Well it is.

I've got study groups set up on Facebook so I can discuss problems with my degree with other people on my course, which is incredibly useful.

Loads of my friends live a while away, so I can't meet up with them all the time. I have conversations with some of these people through texts, but my contract only allows 3000 a month so for everyone.

I literally only use Facebook as an instant messenger and getting help and organising SOME social events and parties, it's cheaper than texting.
 

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I have another solution - intended for the fun of it, but reading this it seems handy.

A few weeks ago I started playing around with an ENIGMA simulator - accurate to the real thing - from http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm to muck about with. You know, as one does.

Then one night I got one of my occasional outbursts of pure nerdiness, and wrote a manual with a revised format to use it, based on the original format but adapted for social networking. I bolted a day-by-day key list for 2012 onto the end, and sent it out to a few of my friends. So now I just post encrypted messages on Facebook. They look up the key for the day, which today is

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Day | Rotors |Rotor Shift| Jumper Settings | Validators |
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| 09 | III V IV | 26 15 01 | AX BG CZ DJ EO FL IV MU PQ RT | HXW QPH GIL LZO |

Then they read the message:

= APZA>PUBLIC = 1203090037 = 1o1 = 124 = CRW JVQ =

JNQPH FXVTI NXUIW XDCAQ UDVFA
IYEKE NHUPY SKIFN VTRTJ XZILO
WJIFT NRFPY ROWFT MYHHM NJRAZ
XKNAD FREYJ TFYVS PRNST YXGKO
ZYEKC WZPMJ MNZSZ MTWRD ZXZUV
PNFD=

But hey, remember that first five-letter block is just for validation and shouldn't be decrypted. Just so you know. :)
 

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This is exactly why I don't have facebook. Simply put, I don't want my future employers to stick their nose in my business.
On the offchance that I DO get a facebook account, why on EARTH would I use my real name? Just use an online nickname, and have a fake facebook-account tied to your real name.
 

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This was all over the radio yesterday. It's only a matter of time till someone calls bullshit on this on Capital Hill. It's sad that anyone lives in a culture that is full of individual who think they have a right to this kind of stuff. The worst is that school systems are doing this. As if the higher education system in America was not gamed enough. Also, giving out that information is in direct violation of the terms of use for Facebook... or at least the last time I agreed to anything it was. Who knows, I could be wrong.

Think about this: there was that pesky article a week or two ago here on the Escapist about a court deciding that a guys password was protected under the 5th amendment. If that comes to stick (which I definitely hope it does) then would this not be illegal to ask for this information or illegal to discriminate against a discerning, logical individual for not giving up this information?

Also, as an aside. Just make a fake one, claim you never use it, put a few photos up and BAMALAM! Clean facebook for the nosey, privacy infringing work or college.
 

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endtherapture said:
This is completely wrong.

Luckily I never post on Facebook, only use it for inboxing and stuff, but god, I would not want my job looking at some of the stuff I say there.

It's pretty much like asking for your email address, or to go through your phone. It doesn't have a place.

Fr said:
anc[is]Solution: don't use Facebook. Nobody gives a shit about what you just ate or the song lyrics you just posted anyway.
Saldy FB is a massive part of social life nowadays, keeping in the loop with people and stuff. I only use it to attend events and inbox people, cos it save A LOT of money on texting, but you know. It's useful, just posting stuff is idiotic.
This. It also saves me credit when my friends all get a text alert when I leave them a facebook message. SO it essentially replaced texting for me :D

Considering the fact I plan on getting a civilian job within computer security and combating computer crime, this is disgusting. I'm not one to run down the road screaming "double-password protect everything!" but this is crossing the line.

I keep my social media private for a reason, to protect myself from criminals. If I'm just going to show everyone my details and my activities, why don't I just delete the bloody thing beforehand?

There's no Data Protection Act if I'm physically showing you the information and you take notes or if I hand over my PW, so it's far from secure for me. Physically logging in so you can have a nosey peek? You'll lose out even more when I walk out following your hypocrisy.

So naturally, I have no qualms with anything I hold on the internet and under the DPA I'll give an employer ALL of it on paper. I do, however, have an issue with the way that information is collected and a nosy look through my FB with MY password is exactly that: A very big issue. It's my entire future civilian career kind-of-an-issue. Is it not disgusting to demand employees / education candidates surrender these security measures which they MUST keep personal and intact for the sake of profiling? It's just too far.


Why don't you just ask for a copy of their damn house keys and 24 hours alone to their house?
 

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Hiroshi Mishima said:
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Bymidew said:
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Say you don't have an account? Make an alternate one? What if you really don't have one? So many ways this is BS.
Obviously, this is intended to weed out stupid people, not devious ones.
Apparently, only the most technologically illiterate people who willingly give out their information to any online account. Lie or make a fake account, that's the beauty of the internet.
Except if they're that interested in knowing, there's nothing stopping them from doing a Facebook search for your name (a very large number of Facebook users use real names for offline friends and family), or even to find/look up your friends and family to get more information about you.


Honestly, I think back to a commercial which used to air after 9/11. It would say "Terrorists tried to change our country" and then it'd show houses with a bunch of flags and go "they succeeded." That commercial was trying to make it sound like we all got more patriotic (which is funny, cause it didn't feel that way), but really it was absolutely true.. just nothing to do with people having flags. They DID succeed in fucking up the US so it no longer trusts even its own citizens.
Good luck finding me, I'm as private as FB will get, don't have my face in my prof pic, and my name is as common as dirt. almost 1 billion users makes FB a great place to hide.

bjj hero said:
Im loving all these posters whos jobs are so awesome that they would never take a job from a company that wants to see their facbook. Good luck getting on the career ladder.

I dont use facebook and I live in the UK so this doesnt really bother me.

Finally all the "Just lie people"...

The easiest way to get fired is to get caught lying on your interview/application. I hope your face is nowhere on your actual facebook account.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since you don't have an FB account, but it's called privacy settings. They aren't ironclad, but I HIGHLY doubt an employer could find me, and even if they could, all they could see is name and an icon-sized prof pic (which isn't even of me). Common sense prevails... don't be stupid, you wouldn't leave your car unlocked in a parking lot, don't leave your FB account open (and this isn't just because of job interviewers).
 

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And it's things like these that are the very reason I don't have a Facebook account...

It should be private...
 

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Mimsofthedawg said:
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Tharwen said:
Why do they care? That's the part I don't understand.
Well as your parents told you the birds and the bees ill tell you the reason an employer wants to know if there pictures of you doing a keg stand on the internet. Oh wait I just did. People post all sorts of racey crap on the internet whether its their pictures or affiliations and verbal posts. The real world doesn't want to associate with your personal life, and yet people mix the two everyday by posting their personal lives while saying they work for a specific company. Same for schools. It should be a retrospective moment to understand why things have come to this. the younger generations have no filter and "Surprise" its catching up with them.
There are so many other reasons for this though.

Are you telling me you've never talked to a highschool friend when you were 16 and she was 15 about "sexxy stuff"? Maybe you were sexually active in highschool and you and your girlfriend occasionally talked about sex, making a passing comment such as "I got the condoms!" or something to that effect? Maybe you simply DISCUSSED sex, but had no interest in actually having sex with him or her?

I also know several people who turned 18 went to college but their bf/gf's were 17 and still a senior in highschool. Such relationships are questionable. Admitting to having sex while you're underage is illegal in most US states and would be an automatic redflag.

I'm a HUGE advocate that US sexual laws need to be revamped but there are TONS of other things too.

Discussing that you had a cigar at your 18th bday? Not enough to make the employer reject you, but definitely enough to raise your health care premiums by several thousand dollars. Have you ever smoked pot and mentioned it? Good luck finding anything in terms of jobs. Are you an avid D&Der? Yea... society still looks down on us. Is it apparent that you play(ed) games for 20 hours or more per week, at least at some point in time? Probably look irresponsible. Are you a crazy, gun-toting republican and your employer is a progressive that thinks guns are evil? Probably gonna drop on his list. Are you homosexual? Many states still have laws allowing employers to discriminate against them - even if you aren't a rainbow wearing, lisp speaking, wears-designer-brands-all-the-time stereotypical homosexual and they'd be non-the-wiser EXCEPT for that facebook.

I can go on and on and on about this stuff. Bottom line, it needs to change. Now.

At any rate, I'm gonna be saying good bye to facebook real soon!
I believe this all falls under my initial warning that people should not attach such a personal level to their social networking. Its a trend. If you advocate your personal life on the internet you shouldn't be surprised if your professional life takes a hit for it. And what you are describing actually breaks multi laws in discrimination in the work place and would be ample material for a case in court. So I don't profiling so much as keeping youth angst separate from the professional world as the target.
 

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TestECull said:
Over my dead body they'll get it. Firstly I don't even use that bullshit. I see it as a waste of time under the best circumstances. Secondly, my private life is just that: Private. What I do at three in the morning when I'm off the clock is none of their business, and as such, they will not know about it. All they need to know about is how I am when I'm on the clock.


Anyone asks for it from me? They'll be told I don't have any social networking accounts. If they insist I make one, I'll make one telling them they can shove the job so far up their ass it comes out their ears, and to expect a call from a lawyer regarding an invasion of privacy lawsuit. My info, my rules, end of discussion.



CapitalistPig said:
Tharwen said:
Why do they care? That's the part I don't understand.
Well as your parents told you the birds and the bees ill tell you the reason an employer wants to know if there pictures of you doing a keg stand on the internet. Oh wait I just did. People post all sorts of racey crap on the internet whether its their pictures or affiliations and verbal posts. The real world doesn't want to associate with your personal life, and yet people mix the two everyday by posting their personal lives while saying they work for a specific company. Same for schools. It should be a retrospective moment to understand why things have come to this. the younger generations have no filter and "Surprise" its catching up with them.
Doesn't matter. What you do off the clock when you're with friends is none of a potential employer's business.
Good luck having an employer see it that way. Real careers in professional atmospheres require certain in/out of workplace etiquette. Same with schools. Given that the current generation of facebook users deny any sort of filter they're gonna realize real quick how detrimental that viewpoint will be to their future careers.