Columnist Enlists Anonymous to Take Down Rapists

[Alleged_Alec]

Anon is not a detective agency. They are, as they mention often, a hate machine. They've been given access to names and if they feel like it, they'll ruin those person's lives.

Which could have been avoided if authorities had done their jobs. It keeps coming back to that.

So these kids need to be punished for the failings of a government branch?

No. These kids will be punished for gangraping someone.

Also for further abusing that person to suicide.

Allegedly.

So these kids need to be punished for the failings of a government branch?

They need to be punished for the things that CAN be proven, and at this point I don't really care who does it. The police would be nice, but if they won't then Anon can bring their flavor of justice in.

Again: I think you mean 'revenge', not justice.

 

[Church185]

Again: I think you mean 'revenge', not justice.

No, I mean justice and I would appreciate it if you quit implying otherwise. The poor saps this Anon bomb is about to drop on could avoid it if they simply turned themselves in or helped with an investigation. Then proper justice could be served instead of the vigilante version that they'll get if something isn't done.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

Again: I think you mean 'revenge', not justice.

No, I mean justice and I would appreciate it if you quit implying otherwise.

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

The poor saps this Anon bomb is about to drop on could avoid it if they simply turned themselves in or helped with an investigation. Then proper justice could be served instead of the vigilante version that they'll get if something isn't done.

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

 

[Church185]

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

And you're rooting for the people who already destroyed someone's life and brought it to a short, sad end. As to the last bit, it is nice to see that you approve of people being able to do whatever despicable thing they want as long as they know how not to get caught.

 

[Zeles]

This is freaking scary. All of it.

The fact that human beings would do something like that to someone.

The fact that nothing was done to punish them.

The fact that this group online can break into who-knows-what and get that information to punish them.

The fact that no one can track THEM down incase they ever go to far.

Geeze. I just hope that Anonymous knows what they're doing.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

And you're rooting for the people who already destroyed someone's life and brought it to a short, sad end.

Allegedly.

As to the last bit, it is nice to see that you approve of people being able to do whatever despicable they want as long as they know how not to get caught.

Nice ad hominem. I never said I wanted the ones who did this to walk away scot-free. I object to ruining the lives of people whose guilt has not been proven yet.

 

[Defeated Detective]

...

"We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. ...

sure you dont anon, sure you dont.

They don't, they're composed of the guys that headed the movement against Scientology, not /i/.

 

[Church185]

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

And you're rooting for the people who already destroyed someone's life and brought it to a short, sad end.

Allegedly.

As to the last bit, it is nice to see that you approve of people being able to do whatever despicable they want as long as they know how not to get caught.

Nice ad hominem. I never said I wanted the ones who did this to walk away scot-free. I object to ruining the lives of people whose guilt has not been proven yet.

Not allegedly, it's a fact that pictures and videos of the girl was spread around and that she was bullied. It's also a fact that she killed herself because of it. Nothing was done to find and punish the people responsible.

You have a problem with people outside of the law (that up to this point has failed) gathering information and investigating the situation and defending people's right to hide from the law. I wasn't attacking you, I was just telling it how it is.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

And you're rooting for the people who already destroyed someone's life and brought it to a short, sad end.

Allegedly.

As to the last bit, it is nice to see that you approve of people being able to do whatever despicable they want as long as they know how not to get caught.

Nice ad hominem. I never said I wanted the ones who did this to walk away scot-free. I object to ruining the lives of people whose guilt has not been proven yet.

Not allegedly, it's a fact that pictures and videos of the girl was spread around and that she was bullied. It's also a fact that she killed herself because of it.

Yes, spreading those photos and bullying her was despicable. However, I'm afraid these two acts are not punishable by law.

Nothing was done to find and punish the people responsible.

Which has nothing to do with their innocence or lack thereof. Appeal to emotion.

You have a problem with people outside of the law (that up to this point has failed) gathering information and investigating the situation and defending people's right to hide from the law. I wasn't attacking you, I was just telling it how it is.

Again: this is not Anon's modus operandi.

As for why I am defending them: if I were ever in the position of being accused of a crime, I wouldn't want my rights tarnished this way. Therefore, to prevent myself from being hypocritical, I will defend their rights as I hope someone would mine.

 

[Church185]

Yes, spreading those photos and bullying her was despicable. However, I'm afraid these two acts are not punishable by law.

Which has nothing to do with their innocence or lack thereof. Appeal to emotion.

Again: this is not Anon's modus operandi.

As for why I am defending them: if I were ever in the position of being accused of a crime, I wouldn't want my rights tarnished this way. Therefore, to prevent myself from being hypocritical, I will defend their rights as I hope someone would mine.

I'm not talking about the rape, which would be incredibly hard to prove. I don't want people punished for stuff that can't be proven because the possibility of mistake is awful. You would know that if you paid attention to my first reply to you. Currently in Canada production and distribution is punishable, so they should be investigated for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Canada

 

[Jacco]

Oh this is a fantasic precedent to set. "Let's use Anonymous as a weapon against people who haven't even been accused of a crime yet!" What the fucking hell happened to the concept of "innocent until proven guilty?" Bravo.

 

[C_Topher]

As a Canadian, I've been following this case since the investigation started, well before the suicide, and I have to say there are quite a few things that trouble me. For one, there was a case in British Columbia a few years ago that's almost identical to this one. A girl was drugged, gag raped, and videos and pictures of the crime were posted to Facebook. Even in that case, the authorities were less than competent in there willingness to do anything. That seems to be a horrific trend here in Canada; the RCMP don't seem to give a damn half the time, and the other half they just don't want to do the work involved (seriously, some officers have even gone on camera to admit they won't follow through if there's too much paperwork).
Second, the fact that these boys are under 18 means they fall under the piece of shit we in Canada call the Youth Criminal Justice Act. For those not familiar with the YCJA, I'll highlight a couple of important points. One, the names of young offenders cannot be released to the public, regardless of the crime they're being tried for. Two, young offenders get laughable sentences for even the most horrific of crimes, so unless they tried as adults (which is unlikely) no real justice will be had.
If this is what it takes to get things done and change the system, even in a small way, I'm all for it.

 

[martyrdrebel27]

this is 10 pounds of awesome in a 5 pound bag. it has everything, politicians going rogue in the face of a useless bureaucracy, shady vigilantes, a race against the clock, a sex scene, and a exciting conclusion where justice is served. this is already better than most movies being made today.

(yes, I know there is a touch of dark humor in there, i'm not a bad person, and have no interest in anybody's need to point out how horrible it is. Daniel Tosh.)

 

[Defeated Detective]

I did a bit of reading myself and numerous commenters seem to defend the RCMP by saying that the victim "Had sex with 4 guys and later regretted it".

Right, really, I don't think so.

If she ended up killing herself because of it, it's clearly more than that, I'm glad Anonymous, whatever sec it is, is looking at the case atm, in fact, without their "warning shot" RCMP would've just let this case gather some dust and let 4 guilty people walk untouched.

 

[martyrdrebel27]

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

And you're rooting for the people who already destroyed someone's life and brought it to a short, sad end.

Allegedly.

As to the last bit, it is nice to see that you approve of people being able to do whatever despicable they want as long as they know how not to get caught.

Nice ad hominem. I never said I wanted the ones who did this to walk away scot-free. I object to ruining the lives of people whose guilt has not been proven yet.

Not allegedly, it's a fact that pictures and videos of the girl was spread around and that she was bullied. It's also a fact that she killed herself because of it.

Yes, spreading those photos and bullying her was despicable. However, I'm afraid these two acts are not punishable by law.

Nothing was done to find and punish the people responsible.

Which has nothing to do with their innocence or lack thereof. Appeal to emotion.

You have a problem with people outside of the law (that up to this point has failed) gathering information and investigating the situation and defending people's right to hide from the law. I wasn't attacking you, I was just telling it how it is.

Again: this is not Anon's modus operandi.

As for why I am defending them: if I were ever in the position of being accused of a crime, I wouldn't want my rights tarnished this way. Therefore, to prevent myself from being hypocritical, I will defend their rights as I hope someone would mine.

so in Skokie v. Illinois you'd be the Jewish Lawyer defending the Neo-Nazi's right to march? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the ACLU exists, and at least in theory I would defend anybody's right to free speech, as I wouldn't want my own rights to be violated either. HOWEVER... I would also say that if your actions are purposely provocative, you have no right to legal protection from the people you provoked. Like when kids throw rocks at a dog all the time, and one day it breaks free and tears the little bastards up. Those kids would deserve it, and to bring it full circle from metaphors and correlations back to the Original Post, these rapist kids deserve to be "eaten by dogs". And I have zero doubt in my mind it WAS rape.

Also, for all you people that are saying "what happened to innocent until proven guilty?!" you're kind of missing the point. anonymous is attempting to make this go to trial, and if they are innocent, we'll all know then. but by not even taking this to trial, you're just throwing rocks at the dog, man.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

Yes, spreading those photos and bullying her was despicable. However, I'm afraid these two acts are not punishable by law.

Which has nothing to do with their innocence or lack thereof. Appeal to emotion.

Again: this is not Anon's modus operandi.

As for why I am defending them: if I were ever in the position of being accused of a crime, I wouldn't want my rights tarnished this way. Therefore, to prevent myself from being hypocritical, I will defend their rights as I hope someone would mine.

I'm not talking about the rape, which would be incredibly hard to prove. I don't want people punished for stuff that can't be proven because the possibility of mistake is awful. You would know that if you paid attention to my first reply to you. Currently in Canada production and distribution is punishable, so they should be investigated for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Canada

Seen how that would follow the letter of the law (I'm not so sure about the intent), point given. Then let them investigate that. Was it sent from their phones? If so: was it actually sent by the suspect? These are questions for the police to research, not for some mouthbreathers on the internet.

I did a bit of reading myself and numerous commenters seem to defend the RCMP by saying that the victim "Had sex with 4 guys and later regretted it".

Right, really, I don't think so.

If she ended up killing herself because of it, it's clearly more than that

Citation needed.

I'm glad Anonymous, whatever sec it is, is looking at the case atm, in fact, without their "warning shot" RCMP would've just let this case gather some dust and let 4 guilty people walk untouched.

If they are guilty, which they may or may not be.

You're rooting for people's lives being destroyed. Tell me how is that not revenge?

You do know that you have a right to avoid self-incrimination? What you're suggesting is illegal coercion.

And you're rooting for the people who already destroyed someone's life and brought it to a short, sad end.

Allegedly.

As to the last bit, it is nice to see that you approve of people being able to do whatever despicable they want as long as they know how not to get caught.

Nice ad hominem. I never said I wanted the ones who did this to walk away scot-free. I object to ruining the lives of people whose guilt has not been proven yet.

Not allegedly, it's a fact that pictures and videos of the girl was spread around and that she was bullied. It's also a fact that she killed herself because of it.

Yes, spreading those photos and bullying her was despicable. However, I'm afraid these two acts are not punishable by law.

Nothing was done to find and punish the people responsible.

Which has nothing to do with their innocence or lack thereof. Appeal to emotion.

You have a problem with people outside of the law (that up to this point has failed) gathering information and investigating the situation and defending people's right to hide from the law. I wasn't attacking you, I was just telling it how it is.

Again: this is not Anon's modus operandi.

As for why I am defending them: if I were ever in the position of being accused of a crime, I wouldn't want my rights tarnished this way. Therefore, to prevent myself from being hypocritical, I will defend their rights as I hope someone would mine.

so in Skokie v. Illinois you'd be the Jewish Lawyer defending the Neo-Nazi's right to march?

Nope, for the very simple reason that their march constitutes hate speech.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the ACLU exists, and at least in theory I would defend anybody's right to free speech, as I wouldn't want my own rights to be violated either. HOWEVER... I would also say that if your actions are purposely provocative, you have no right to legal protection from the people you provoked. Like when kids throw rocks at a dog all the time, and one day it breaks free and tears the little bastards up. Those kids would deserve it, and to bring it full circle from metaphors and correlations back to the Original Post, these rapist kids deserve to be "eaten by dogs". And I have zero doubt in my mind it WAS rape.

Alleged "rapist kids". Since this has not gone to trial, they are still innocent until proven guilty.

Also, for all you people that are saying "what happened to innocent until proven guilty?!" you're kind of missing the point. anonymous is attempting to make this go to trial, and if they are innocent, we'll all know then. but by not even taking this to trial, you're just throwing rocks at the dog, man.

My interpretation of the article was that he was asking for Anon to unleash their vigilante 'justice' on these kids, which was what many people in this thread were hoping for. This is what I'm against.

Second, the fact that these boys are under 18 means they fall under the piece of shit we in Canada call the Youth Criminal Justice Act. For those not familiar with the YCJA, I'll highlight a couple of important points. One, the names of young offenders cannot be released to the public, regardless of the crime they're being tried for. Two, young offenders get laughable sentences for even the most horrific of crimes, so unless they tried as adults (which is unlikely) no real justice will be had.

With good reason. Even allegations of crimes can destroy someone's life. Do we want to destroy the life of a kid which may be innocent, or given (s)he is convicted and rehabilitated, do we want to undermine their attempts to make it up to society from the start?

 

[Church185]

Seen how that would follow the letter of the law (I'm not so sure about the intent), point given. Then let them investigate that. Was it sent from their phones? If so: was it actually sent by the suspect? These are questions for the police to research, not for some mouthbreathers on the internet.

That's what I have been saying all along. But the police didn't research it, and now Anon is threatening to if the police don't get involved. As long as the suspects didn't destroy the phones or the memory units the picture was stored on (edit: even if that picture had been deleted), that data can be recovered and we would have our proof. I would actually go a step further and search the phones of people the suspects had contact with as well (provided the initial search turned up pictures of the girl), so that they could potentially find the people who bullied her as well. Surely phone records would turn up something that would damn them or prove them innocent.

My intent is to urge people to want to find out more. I would love it if these guys went to court for something that could be proven.

 

[Captain Anon]

well done anonymous job well done i hope the little bastards go to jail for a long time and anonymous isn't his personal army it is the army of the internet, you do something they don't like that involves the internet and you get it's wrath and fury. also "vigilante justice is the only justice when the law fails to act and do what is right"