I agree with everything that this has to say 100%. I've never read the books, but I've been an avid watcher of HBO for years. So now it's decided, this show is my new jam, always to be recorded on my PVR, never to be missed.
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Damn o damn. I love this show, but only because I love the books. I think Daneyers is the weakest link in the show. Even though, in the books, it was a pleasure following here story, they seem to be moving way too fast with her. The acting is awful and Drogo hasn't sold me on his barbarism (mainly because his chaps are fully shaved). Tyrion is by far my favorite character and Jeoffry I loathe. Seeing Tyrion smack Jeoffry around was like a cool glass of lemonade pressed against the sweaty neck under the searing summer sun.
You haven't read the books, have you?The Imp said:
He does
I second the above quotes. Station Agent is one of my favorite movies, and Dinklage is a fantastic, and entirely underrated actor. I'm hoping GoT gives him more exposure.ElectroJosh said:
On a slightly related note, I'm looking forward to finding an excuse for using this image:
JOFFREEEEEEEEEEYYY!!
Gosh, he's still the character I hate the most in all the books, he's just such an epic level douche it's hard to fathom. Good to see the actor can make me hate the character in the TV version as well. ^^
Same goes for Sansa, or nearly. She's just such an unlikeable character, spoiled, arrogant, too freaking dreamy, totally living in her ivory tower. Only very late in the books she becomes bearable, after reality hammers her again and again and again. Her younger sister is already more grown up then she'll probably ever be. Damn brat. Glad the actress is able to make me hate/dislike the character as well.
Likeable characters are easy, don't be a douche, be nice, but playing believable villains or otherwise unlikeable characters... that's hard... I imagine. ^^
Also yeah, I'm fine with most of the things they had to change for the adaption, I'm not loving some of them but most of them are fine - but I'm really disappointed and pretty pissed how they changed the Drogo-Daenerys dynamic. In the books Drogo isn't a super sensitive guy either but he's not the pretty-much-rapist he's in the show. He has a sensitive ... undercurrent under all his gruffness. He's absolutely certain of himself and he will get what he wants, but he knows he does not always have to be brutal about taking it. He knows Dany may not love the situation she's in and he knows he'll get her because he wants her but he also knows he doesn't have to force her, he's trying to get her to cooperate more or less of her own free will.
Not the ideal start, yes, but far more plausible for the, apparently - going by her later actions - real love between them to arise than the not-quite-rape we saw in the show.
All kinds of details about Drogo just got dropped for the show. I can totally see people hating Drogo in the tv version because he really is a douche there. But in the books he is a fantastic character, many layers, not your typical brutal warlord, or hard-but-nice hubbie or any other stereotype.
I really don't get why they changed him that way when just doing it the "right" way would not have been any harder at all. They seem to slowly go back to the Dany-Drogo relationship from the books now anyway, why change the basis, the start of their relationship so horribly?
Also other things about the Dothraki, the khas, the bloodriders, also - dropped. Just a few lines about the relationship between the khal and his bloodriders and how some khals share their wife with their bloodriders but Drogo is not as old-fashioned, could have gone a long way towards making the character more likeable.
Gosh, he's still the character I hate the most in all the books, he's just such an epic level douche it's hard to fathom. Good to see the actor can make me hate the character in the TV version as well. ^^
Same goes for Sansa, or nearly. She's just such an unlikeable character, spoiled, arrogant, too freaking dreamy, totally living in her ivory tower. Only very late in the books she becomes bearable, after reality hammers her again and again and again. Her younger sister is already more grown up then she'll probably ever be. Damn brat. Glad the actress is able to make me hate/dislike the character as well.
Likeable characters are easy, don't be a douche, be nice, but playing believable villains or otherwise unlikeable characters... that's hard... I imagine. ^^
Also yeah, I'm fine with most of the things they had to change for the adaption, I'm not loving some of them but most of them are fine - but I'm really disappointed and pretty pissed how they changed the Drogo-Daenerys dynamic. In the books Drogo isn't a super sensitive guy either but he's not the pretty-much-rapist he's in the show. He has a sensitive ... undercurrent under all his gruffness. He's absolutely certain of himself and he will get what he wants, but he knows he does not always have to be brutal about taking it. He knows Dany may not love the situation she's in and he knows he'll get her because he wants her but he also knows he doesn't have to force her, he's trying to get her to cooperate more or less of her own free will.
Not the ideal start, yes, but far more plausible for the, apparently - going by her later actions - real love between them to arise than the not-quite-rape we saw in the show.
All kinds of details about Drogo just got dropped for the show. I can totally see people hating Drogo in the tv version because he really is a douche there. But in the books he is a fantastic character, many layers, not your typical brutal warlord, or hard-but-nice hubbie or any other stereotype.
I really don't get why they changed him that way when just doing it the "right" way would not have been any harder at all. They seem to slowly go back to the Dany-Drogo relationship from the books now anyway, why change the basis, the start of their relationship so horribly?
Also other things about the Dothraki, the khas, the bloodriders, also - dropped. Just a few lines about the relationship between the khal and his bloodriders and how some khals share their wife with their bloodriders but Drogo is not as old-fashioned, could have gone a long way towards making the character more likeable.
Gregor's a knight, Sandor is most vociferously not. He comes close to physically assaulting anyone who tries to call him "Ser". In order to be a knight, and therefore Ser, one must be anointed in the 7 oils and officially granted the title. He's of House Clegane by birth, and technically a retainer of House Lannister, but he's not a knight.Dana22 said:
His brother Gregor is a knight, despite his incredible brutality, and Sandor is disgusted by the hypocracy of the whole knighthood title, since it was Gregor who burned his face, rapes at will and crushes children to death.
@Dana22
Not that I ever recall in the series so far.
Not that I ever recall in the series so far.
Sandor was Joffrey's bodyguard, but he was never anointed, and never a White Cloak. I remember there being talk about his being offered knighthood, and refusing it, multiple times. Up to the point we lose him in the novels, bleeding to death against a tree, he was always only a retainer.
I hope the writers do not continue down the road of cartoon villainy. The whole scene where the Queen demands that the other wolf be killed is over the top. I felt like saying to the screen: "I get it - she's a villain. Congrats on reading your tropes and knowing that bad guys must kill the pets of the good guys. " Yeesh. So cliche. If the books are like this, then the tv writers need to clean it up.
In contrast - Peter Dinklage is pretty great. More writing like that and this show will be a success.
In contrast - Peter Dinklage is pretty great. More writing like that and this show will be a success.
Nahh Sandor makes it very clear that he's not a knight because of the whole incident with his brother. He hates his brother. He's the prince's hound, but definitely not a knight.Dana22 said:
