Concentration Camp Game Canceled Due to Backlash

[Cid Silverwing]

Very tasteless. Like making a game of executing children. Art or not, its obscene.

This.

Why do people feel so obligated to pull this shit, games or otherwise? Isn't shooting the Nazis in plain Wolfenstein fun enough for all the anti-nazis?

 

[Danpascooch]

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It should DEFINITELY be a matter of individual taste, which is why this game is not being banned by the government of made illegal (which I would be fully against) it is being criticized by INDIVIDUALS who find it offensive, they have every right to protest, and this time I actually agree that it shouldn't be made.

I think there should definitely be games on the Holocaust, but they should treat the subject with the respect it deserves.

Indeed. They have every right to have their say, and as long as they don't push for denying their opponents the right to make it, I certainly have no objection that they speak up. If the creators caved by their own choice, then they won the verbal just fair and square.

However, anyone have the right to verbally lay into them for demeaning gaming as a medium, thinking that some subjects are off limits to other individuals, and caring about a something as insignificant as an underground mod for an ancient game in the first place with all the far serious defamation (including against gaming) seen in the mass media.

So it's not really about their opposition to the game content, it's about their demeaning of gaming as a medium and the "off-limits"-thing they espoused along the way.

I agree, I was just saying that while I think their declaration of "off-limits" is wrong, I do agree that this game shouldn't be made, because looking at it it doesn't seem to respect the power of the historical context it's using. It's important that they have the RIGHT to make it, but I think they shouldn't do it.

 

[Gigano]

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I agree, I was just saying that while I think their declaration of "off-limits" is wrong, I do agree that this game shouldn't be made, because looking at it it doesn't seem to respect the power of the historical context it's using. It's important that they have the RIGHT to make it, but I think they shouldn't do it.

I personally don't really see much of a problem with using historical settings for gaming, I played and liked Battlefield: Vietnam, and there are probably Vietnamese people who'd find such a context equally offensive. I must admit I gave no thought to their feelings, nor do I really think any should be given; Like pornography etc., those who don't like it can look away.

Whether your child (even more recently) burned in the streets of Saigon or the crematoriums of Auschwitz should make little difference, so I suppose my stance on the actual issue would be the same with this game (with the exception that I had no interest in playing it, and now couldn't anyway)

As long as they respect the rights of others to do it, they're free to dissent on its merits though. As stated I don't particularly care on the actual issue either way, but I did care that they began to suggest gaming was an inferior medium for which certain subjects were impermissible.

 

[Danpascooch]

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I agree, I was just saying that while I think their declaration of "off-limits" is wrong, I do agree that this game shouldn't be made, because looking at it it doesn't seem to respect the power of the historical context it's using. It's important that they have the RIGHT to make it, but I think they shouldn't do it.

I personally don't really see much of a problem with using historical settings for gaming, I played and liked Battlefield: Vietnam, and there are probably Vietnamese people who'd find such a context equally offensive. I must admit I gave no thought to their feelings, nor do I really think any should be given; Like pornography etc., those who don't like it can look away.

Whether your child (even more recently) burned in the streets of Saigon or the crematoriums of Auschwitz should make little difference, so I suppose my stance on the actual issue would be the same with this game (with the exception that I had no interest in playing it, and now couldn't anyway)

As long as they respect the rights of others to do it, they're free to dissent on its merits though. As stated I don't particularly care on the actual issue either way, but I did care that they began to suggest gaming was an inferior medium for which certain subjects were impermissible.

It's fine if you think it isn't disrespectful, the thing that really got me is when talking about why they shouldn't be protesting it, the developer said "It's just Nazi killing fun".

Sure, he should and does have a right to do it, I just think he shouldn't be so casual and cavalier about it, a game about the Holocaust should be as serious as the material that it's about, and if a developer wants to make a serious game with a proper narrative about the Holocaust I'm all for it, I just don't think what I basically equate the seriousness of to a "tower defense game" should use the Holocaust for material.

 

[Gigano]

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It's fine if you think it isn't disrespectful, the thing that really got me is when talking about why they shouldn't be protesting it, the developer said "It's just Nazi killing fun".

Sure, he should and does have a right to do it, I just think he shouldn't be so casual and cavalier about it, a game about the Holocaust should be as serious as the material that it's about, and if a developer wants to make a serious game with a proper narrative about the Holocaust I'm all for it, I just don't think what I basically equate the seriousness of to a "tower defense game" should use the Holocaust for material.

We can agree that it's a fairly trivial outing which was built over the subject, and that it held potential to offend some. Our philosophies on what to do when confronted with offensive material seem to differ though.

The single time in living memory I've been confronted with a fictional depiction which "offended" (or perhaps rather repulsed and disgusted) me - also more due to context than content - I didn't think "This piece of filth should not exist!", I thought "I don't want to play this piece of filth!".

You seem to feel that one should speak up when personally offended by a product others might enjoy, in an attempt to deter it from being made, whereas I consider it to be an entirely personal and internal problem so long as the game(/movie/etc.) is legal, does not cause identifiable harm, and is not pushed in my face.

I don't really consider offence to be a valid argument, and thus nothing to raise one's voice over in a debate. Denying others who might be interested the opportunity to play it by arguing it shouldn't be made takes more in my book.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

The reason for this is because it's a "game", and therefore people assume you're meant to have fun while playing it, thus, "IT MUST BE OFFENSIVE!" Now while I don't know how tastefully this was going to be done, and what the intentions were, people need to realize that a medium that is essentially interactive story-telling has A LOT of potential.

 

[Phototoxin]

Thank you for the daily reminder that a lifetime ago some jews got killed.
Can we start crying about Stalins purges yet or is there still time on the clock ?

Its a propaganda thing. 'Poor little us.'

 

[Wintermoot]

this is retardet! if somebody would make a movie out of the event NOBODY would have a problem!

 

[nipsen]

"I did a lot of research for the game. I wanted to show the Jews really did fight back against the Nazis. I wanted to honor them. My intentions were pure and pro-Jewish in every way."

rolfle. Oh, go on - self-publish it with the support of some jewish support charity, you wimp. I mean, this is GREAT advertisement for Israel, obviously. So go ahead, tell us what you think it's /really/ all about.

 

[Holy_Handgrenade]

Im up for the whole "games as art" deal. but this.. THIS! THIS IS NOT ART!

Jeez.

[sub]Also this would of been huge on 4chan[/sub]

You miss read no where there does it say this game is art it says the subjest of the holocaust being offlimits in games upset the games as art crowd not that the game got stopped. Read properly next time.

 

[Shinrae]

So many games in which you kill Nazis, and yet killing them as a Jew is off limits?
I understand that what went on was about as bad as it gets, but surely this would be a good thing?

Showing that the Jews did fight back... As opposed to, you know. Hide, give up and die etc, Or is that the way they enjoy being seen? As some sort of mega victim.
As to be honest, not once have I ever thought about the whole 'wait... why didnt they try and escape' side of things, as its not an angle given in anything.

Im sure I sound like an ass here, but. People need to stop this 'hushhush we dont talk about that' attitude.

 

[TrollOgerElf]

This amuses me greatly.

 

[Dog Wednesday]

1) Holocaust wasnt that bad? Check
2) Obligatory Israel/Palestine references? Check
3) A few remarks on how the U.S is the REAL bad guy? Check

I smell internets.

 

[katsumoto03]

When I read the title I thought "Wow, this would've really helped video games (and interactive media in general) progress as an art form!" Now that I've actually seen the game... No. Not this one.

Maybe if someone made a real game with real effort put into it it would be good,
but not just a 'Shootnazisohbythewayyou'reescapingfromaconcentrationcamp' game.

 

[Danpascooch]

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It's fine if you think it isn't disrespectful, the thing that really got me is when talking about why they shouldn't be protesting it, the developer said "It's just Nazi killing fun".

Sure, he should and does have a right to do it, I just think he shouldn't be so casual and cavalier about it, a game about the Holocaust should be as serious as the material that it's about, and if a developer wants to make a serious game with a proper narrative about the Holocaust I'm all for it, I just don't think what I basically equate the seriousness of to a "tower defense game" should use the Holocaust for material.

We can agree that it's a fairly trivial outing which was built over the subject, and that it held potential to offend some. Our philosophies on what to do when confronted with offensive material seem to differ though.

The single time in living memory I've been confronted with a fictional depiction which "offended" (or perhaps rather repulsed and disgusted) me - also more due to context than content - I didn't think "This piece of filth should not exist!", I thought "I don't want to play this piece of filth!".

You seem to feel that one should speak up when personally offended by a product others might enjoy, in an attempt to deter it from being made, whereas I consider it to be an entirely personal and internal problem so long as the game(/movie/etc.) is legal, does not cause identifiable harm, and is not pushed in my face.

I don't really consider offence to be a valid argument, and thus nothing to raise one's voice over in a debate. Denying others who might be interested the opportunity to play it by arguing it shouldn't be made takes more in my book.

It's not so much that I find it offensive, it's not like I would cringe playing it. I just think it's disrespectful, and I think the developers should be told that it's disrespectful. It's not about "to each his own" for me, it's more about downplaying the impact of a terrible tragedy, the worry for me is that if nobody says anything, and things like this are made consistently without proper forethought or care, who knows, 50 years from now the Holocaust might not bear the same message it used to.

That's all. I also don't think any action past "telling the developers" would be appropriate.

 

[Kelethor]

Would it have been a shitty game? Most certainly

Do we have the right to make the game, even though its about one of humanities darkest moments? Absolutely.

 

[Berlioz]

The holocaust deserves extra attention because it was not mindless killing. Every part was carefully planned, every death was a systematic execution, and the treatment of prisoners was worse than torture. Other genocides, such as darfur, or the Tienanmen square massacre, are/were in the moment killings. No gas chambers. No ovens. No living in shacks with sawdust bread for food. Know your shit before you spew it out your mouth.

You actually believe that it was the ONLY carefully planned genocide? Stalin's was too, and it killed more people.

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

Nowhere.

Seriously, the Holocaust is like a glitch in mankind's memory. They won't get over it like every other genocide of the kind. Why?? There's nothing SPECIAL about it compared to the other planned genocides.