Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

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I don't think I can continue this discussion until you review the basic rules of grammar. for fuck's sake.

you are criticizing Hamas. you are also criticizing Palestinians. You are also criticizing humans. You are also criticizing concentration camp escapees. All of these can be true at once! Notice how there is nowhere the word 'all'. This bullshit is emblematic of the inventive hairsplitting I referred to earlier. tedious waste of time.
Oh, come the fuck on. You know what you were doing; there's no other, honest reason to describe criticisms of an organisation and its policies as simply "criticising Palestinians" as if that statement doesn't imply something very different. Unless you believe that by benefit of belonging to that group alone, criticism is rendered moot.

You wouldn't describe criticising Israeli government policy as "criticising Jews". That may be technically, grammatically true. But its plainly obvious that using that description to refer to criticism of policy is a cynical tactic, attempting to transpose sympathy for a demographic group onto a specific organisation and any policies it pursues.
 

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You know what you were doing; there's no other, honest reason to describe criticisms of an organisation and its policies as simply "criticising Palestinians" as if that statement doesn't imply something very different.
here's one: because you're criticizing people for their actions upon escaping a concentration camp and Palestinians is an apt descriptor of those people.

tedious fucking bullshit
 
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here's one: because you're criticizing people for their actions upon escaping a concentration camp and Palestinians is an apt descriptor of those people.
OK. So tell me straight, then: if you criticised the actions of the IDF, and someone repeatedly described what you were doing as "criticising Jews" without reference to the actual gov/military you were talking about, how would you view that?

Those people are Jewish. Its an "apt descriptor", insofar as its true. Yet you know as well as I do that people choose words for a reason. So tell me with a straight face that describing your criticism of the IDF as simply "criticising Jews" would be fair, and you wouldn't see any untoward implications in that.
 

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OK. So tell me straight, then: if you criticised the actions of the IDF, and someone repeatedly described what you were doing as "criticising Jews" without reference to the actual gov/military you were talking about, how would you view that?
Good lord. If it were "criticizing Israelis" I would pay it no mind. And that's the actual parallel.

Again, tedious fucking bullshit.
 
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They're in the Ukraine thread because they're crickets about the point that the War Machine that supports Israel also supports Ukraine.
 
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The propaganda machine has been really effective all these years, but little by little the veil is being lifted on the Zionist regime.
 
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True but that wasn’t his point. Although he’s probably kind of bitter the U.S. has also helped the Syrian rebels.
If only the West supported him, then all those Muslims wouldn't have died. How dare they!

Because they would have been steamrolled and forced to believe how he wanted. Speaking of Israel, they have been treated like this by many civilisations over the millennia and still exist. When will strong men realise that sending beliefs underground doesn't mean that they die?
 
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If only the West supported him, then all those Muslims wouldn't have died. How dare they!

Because they would have been steamrolled and forced to believe how he wanted. Speaking of Israel, they have been treated like this by many civilisations over the millennia and still exist. When will strong men realise that sending beliefs underground doesn't mean that they die?

Then there’s Churchill, who was apparently a fervent proponent of Zionism, yet showed nothing but vile contempt for every “lesser” race like the East Indians, American Indians, African Americans and Muslims. This man, our greatest ally in the war and by many historians’ estimations one of the greatest men who ever lived.

History is funny like that.
 

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To recap, the West that's arming Israel is also the same West that's arming Ukraine. Meanwhile, more of the world is calling for a ceasefire in both cases and, like same West, continue to trade with not only Russia but also with China, Saudi Arabia, and so on.
 

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If only the West supported him, then all those Muslims wouldn't have died. How dare they!

Because they would have been steamrolled and forced to believe how he wanted. Speaking of Israel, they have been treated like this by many civilisations over the millennia and still exist. When will strong men realise that sending beliefs underground doesn't mean that they die?
it's a good thing the United States instead is there to occupy the oil fields. That's preventing a lot of bloodshed.