Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

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China didn't have COVID problems? Are...are you serious? There's literally an entire Wikipedia article about the 2019 COVID outbreak in China.


You can say they got it under control quite a bit more rapidly than some, but to say that lockdowns could have prevented COVID entirely and using China as an example is...just wrong.
My point is that they did it better than the democracies.
 

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Again, I played up Trump wanting to invade Greenland and Canada, but I am starting to think he just wanted the liberals in Canada to win(To keep them weak due to high welfare state spending), and for NATO to take Greenland's security more seriously.
No. Trump isn't that strategic and his treatment of Europe isn't effected at all by how much Europe does or doesn't spend on defence. Remember that him sending that piece of vermin Vance to shout about how much he hates us, and his desire to steal Greenland only happened after most of Europe met that NATO norm that was allegedly so important.

I think there are also some practical misconceptions you operate under. Firstly that the US is already free to post as much forces as they want in Greenland, and Denmark has stressed they're fine with Trump increasing US presence there as much as he wants. There's little to suggest there are any barriers preventing Denmark and the US from ''protecting Greenland''. Beside Trump is busy colluding with the very enemy he claims he wants to protect Greenland from.

The idea that welfare cripples nations and we should just subject populations to the barbaric system of the US where the population stands completely alone is simply wrong. In fact Trump's presence in politics shows just how risky it is to have a system that makes a population so misserable. It creates instablity, and leads to preventable death of tax payers. Furthermore having some inept demagogue in charge would do far much to cripple Canada, while said inept demagogue likely being a puppet to Trump as well.
 
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No. Trump isn't that strategic and his treatment of Europe isn't effected at all by how much Europe does or doesn't spend on defence. Remember that him sending that piece of vermin Vance to shout about how much he hates us, and his desire to steal Greenland only happened after most of Europe met that NATO norm that was allegedly so important.

I think there are also some practical misconceptions you operate under. Firstly that the US is already free to post as much forces as they want in Greenland, and Denmark has stressed they're fine with Trump increasing US presence there as much as he wants. There's little to suggest there are any barriers preventing Denmark and the US from ''protecting Greenland''. Beside Trump is busy colluding with the very enemy he claims he wants to protect Greenland from.

The idea that welfare cripples nations and we should just subject populations to the barbaric system of the US where the population stands completely alone is simply wrong. In fact Trump's presence in politics shows just how risky it is to have a system that makes a population so misserable. It creates instablity, and leads to preventable death of tax payers. Furthermore having some inept demagogue in charge would do far much to cripple Canada, while said inept demagogue likely being a puppet to Trump as well.
I generally think that up to a certain point, welfare systems face diminishing returns on national wellbeing, and I say that as someone who needs it more than most. It's because you have to fund things like an overextensive healthcare system. We both know about the US, but in China, in my hometown, which is a small city, you can go to a hospital, but if you need long-term care, you need to essentially pay a staff member under the table to have a better quality of life there. And in Guangzhou, the city nearby, which may or may not have that, there is a long waiting period for appointments. And when China does this, they can spend more on R&D, infrastructure, and take more risks on national investments that pay out in the future. Do I think the US and Chinese healthcare systems need to be more inclusive and generous? Yes, to a certain point. And I got lucky, I live in Columbus, Ohio, which hits above its weight in healthcare, meaning we have more healthcare compared to other cities, even in the US, for our size, so I understand how essential it is, but there are opportunities and costs to everything.
 

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Our bipartisan congress is trying to make it illegal to boycott a country (we know which one) if there's international outrage against them, and further you can't even name supporters of that country. So no more AIPAC tracker or anything.
 
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Our bipartisan congress is trying to make it illegal to boycott a country (we know which one) if there's international outrage against them, and further you can't even name supporters of that country. So no more AIPAC tracker or anything.
Man, I can't believe out of all the shit I do, "Fuck Israel " is what's gonna finally get Tippy taken down! Like Al Capone going down for tax evasion!

One day we might get a politician who loves America more than they love Israel...
 
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Not that it excuses the stealing of land, bombings, and civilian deaths, but I wished certain mobs of Palestinians weren't this barbaric. Nothing justifies murdering someone for their sexuality, not even religion or political problems.
 
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“The US has given more to Ukraine than any other country
The total dollar figure the US has provided to Ukraine dwarfs any other individual country.”


Hmmm

 

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On this issue, it's starting to seem that Trump is somewhat better on Hamas Israeli-Palestinian War and the Middle East. Minus the protesters.
 
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On this issue, it's starting to seem that Trump is somewhat better on Hamas Israeli-Palestinian War and the Middle East. Minus the protesters.
not a high bar, and just like Biden 'seething' at Netanyahu in private, this could just be fake or inconsequential. And, the argument I proposed earlier in the thread about crediting or blaming US presidents for the simple passage of time cuts both ways: Trump's actions here are likely a consequence of israel overplaying its hand and israeli society becoming ever more obviously repugnant, not something specific to Trump (though it may also be said that Trump's need to seem like the dominant partner could be working in a very limited fashion to the good in this one particular instance). The tension between israel's stated rationale for fighting and its actions-- and indeed its admissions about its actual rationale for fighting-- would (or at least should) fray relations between any israeli leader and his supportive counterpart in any other country.

All that being said, 'better', even if true, would be nowhere near good enough.
 

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(though it may also be said that Trump's need to seem like the dominant partner could be working in a very limited fashion to the good in this one particular instance)
The antics of a drunken chimpanzee might also involve said chimpanzee hurling mud at someone who deserves it occasionally as well, wouldn't read too much into it.
 

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The antics of a drunken chimpanzee might also involve said chimpanzee hurling mud at someone who deserves it occasionally as well, wouldn't read too much into it.
that's more or less the point of the rest of my post
 

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The antics of a drunken chimpanzee might also involve said chimpanzee hurling mud at someone who deserves it occasionally as well, wouldn't read too much into it.
that's more or less the point of the rest of my post
At this point with the tariff deals it's starting to look like he treats people in other countries better than those in the US legal or otherwise. If you're a bad protester that's not viewed well, if you're a foreign org not taking USAID that's good for Trump to do deals with. Granted the tariffs are still a bad idea since it was done poorly and too extreme with 10% I would have done 5% if we needed the revenue, however, I argue the golden visa is a good idea, and will bring in much-needed human capital, and business people to the US.

not a high bar, and just like Biden 'seething' at Netanyahu in private, this could just be fake or inconsequential. And, the argument I proposed earlier in the thread about crediting or blaming US presidents for the simple passage of time cuts both ways: Trump's actions here are likely a consequence of israel overplaying its hand and israeli society becoming ever more obviously repugnant, not something specific to Trump (though it may also be said that Trump's need to seem like the dominant partner could be working in a very limited fashion to the good in this one particular instance). The tension between israel's stated rationale for fighting and its actions-- and indeed its admissions about its actual rationale for fighting-- would (or at least should) fray relations between any israeli leader and his supportive counterpart in any other country.

All that being said, 'better', even if true, would be nowhere near good enough.
No Biden yelling at Netanyahu was fake according to multiple sources, my bias toward him warped my views there. I also think Vance had something to do with it. He's already 2-0 with him stopping the neocons on Yemen as well. Ukraine is more mixed I just think Trump is impatient which means he understands the presidency more than most in the office, you only have 4-8 years.


 

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At this point with the tariff deals it's starting to look like he treats people in other countries better than those in the US legal or otherwise.
Drunken chimpanzees sometimes aren't able to hurl mud very far, or see more distant targets, I suppose.