Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates
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It can't be overstated how damaging this was has been for America's international standing. America revealed itself to be an untrustworthy and even outright damaging partner. Europe being the obvious example where Trump started an economically damaging war without warning and demanded they join despite wanting to steal their land.
But the more noteworthy example are the Gulf states. Trumps corrupt kindred spirits spend a lot of time bribing him and he still put them in the firing line without warning. So even by the barbaric standards of diplomacy Trump wants to normalize he's not even reliable. What was the point of all those bribes?
But the more noteworthy example are the Gulf states. Trumps corrupt kindred spirits spend a lot of time bribing him and he still put them in the firing line without warning. So even by the barbaric standards of diplomacy Trump wants to normalize he's not even reliable. What was the point of all those bribes?
You are shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. You let slip that your reasoning is fatally compromised. Be an adult, own it and move on.
Was this anything that was not known before? I guess that he'd actually do something like this, rather than talk about it, but he's at least threatened to betray all his allies a fair few times before.
But this time it hurt their Golf allies which so far Trump has mostly ignored. And it showed everyone that "having US bases" does not actually make you safer. Possibly some nations there will rethink this after all is over.
For the Europeans or Canada or Japan nothing much actually changed.
Israel bombed ~100 sites in densely populated urban residential areas in Lebanon, killing over 300, primarily civilians.
www.theguardian.com
The deadliest 10 minutes in decades: Lebanese reel from Israeli strikes that killed hundreds
Beirut residents and officials say civilians were main casualties in operation that bombed 100-plus targets in 10 minutes
www.theguardian.com
Meanwhile...Israel bombed ~100 sites in densely populated urban residential areas in Lebanon, killing over 300, primarily civilians.
The deadliest 10 minutes in decades: Lebanese reel from Israeli strikes that killed hundreds
Beirut residents and officials say civilians were main casualties in operation that bombed 100-plus targets in 10 minutes
Arab Americans in Michigan warn centrist Democrats attacking Hasan Piker: ‘They haven’t learned from 2024’
Heated debate in a key swing state probably marks a preview of things to come as the midterms ramp up
www.theguardian.com
Do you disavow Hasan
Do you disavow Hasan
Do you disavow Hasan
Do you disavow Hasan
Do you disavow Hasan
As far as I can tell, he hasn't said anything particularly objectionable. But I've only seen the clips that Zionist shills want everyone to be enraged about. Thank you, Dana Bash, for making me keenly aware that some guy said that whether or not there was rape on Oct 7, it doesn't justify mass murder or genocide. How repugnant to be against mass murder if it happens to be committed by vengeful Jews.
Nothing here is as pathetic as you flubbing your reasoning, refusing to own it, and dragging things on out of petty obstinacy. Grow up and move on.
They should just say
''I disavow any traitor who calls the theft of Crimea a complely fucking justifiable act, whether they are named Hasan or not''.
Growing up is understanding your argument is pointless if you're not trying to be right. You don't even care about the substance, you are fixated on a flub. Even if I had actually flubbed (rather than you just not understanding), you'd still look like a fool here.
... taking responsibility for oneself and one's actions, which you persistently refuse to do here. Grow up and move on.
Hmm, except that's not really comparable at all. That headline is deceptive because A) the word 'despite' indicates an apparent conflict between Iran's threat and the terms of the ceasefire; and B) The threat explicitly did not apply to all ships fitting that description.Edit: A comparable thing finally presented itself to me:
Iran threatens to ‘destroy’ ships that pass through Strait of Hormuz — despite cease-fire pact
Iran’s battered navy has reportedly warned foreign ships on Wednesday that they will be “destroyed” if they attempt to cross the Strait of Hormuz without permission from Tehran.nypost.com
Hey look, it's a deceptive headline
Whereas the headline you're moaning about is not materially changed by the wider context. He said the thing, they accurately and directly reported what he said. You interpret his words in a certain (odd and self-serving) way, and you object to the media not repeating your interpretation rather than just reporting his words.
You really can't handle not getting the last word, even when you've given up any material argument.
They published click bait, you defended it, they took it down, you needed to have the concept of click bait explained to you, and now you're sticking with ignoring the argument entirely.
If I could have bet on how you would respond, is have bet it all.
Yes, it is comparable. Do the same sort of analysis of the first one, you'll find the same sorts of things. "After" can imply causation. They made it read "he wants to take" when his comment said "we", so the accurate third person description would be that he "wants the US" to do something. You can find all the same rhetorical issues AND the blatant obfuscation of context in both with the implied validation of their headline through narrowly clipped quotes. It's comparable in every way.
Donald Trump is on the record repeatedly saying in many contexts that the United States should just take the oil of various places and it is difficult to believe that he doesn't mean that about Iran as well regardless of whatever interpretive gymnastics one tortuously performs to arrive at a different idea. I do applaud the reflexive distrust of headlines, however. The news is often a misrepresentation of some kind.
they're on "antisemitism", not that. presumably because that's an even weaker argument. and it would arguably condemn Barack Obama.
I read that Saudi Arabia and the UAE pushed for this war, but Oman and Qatar didn't. It is difficult to be sure with all this closed door politics.