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Agema

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Agree. He does not strike me a someone with deeper knowledge about history or interest in stuff not American. His weird theology displays vast gaps of knowledge as well.
He doesn't have much knowledge or interest in anything at all.

This was possibly not always true. There are some clips of him from around the late 70s and early 80s where he seems to talk very cogently and (I'm guessing) insightfully about the property business. This makes sense: he was still a striving tyro in those days, and so needed to know what was going on. But maybe in the end he got so rich he paid flunkies to do the difficult thinking for him, and that developed into a habit.

All throughout Trump's political career, his ignorance is plain. Like in Trump 1 there's a video where his lead trade negotiator with China is discussing a memorandum of understanding between the two nations, and Trump queries it in a way that makes clear he doesn't understand what one is and what's going on with the negotiations process. When he talked about injecting people with disinfectant to kill covid, it is the rambling of a man who is trying to explain something he heard but didn't understand. All the time, his inability to coherently and accurately explain anything in detail is telling us that he is does not know or understand.

If you add this to his pathological dishonesty, this is why his communications are so frustrating: vague, inaccurate, or just plain wrong. He doesn't know, and he doesn't care that he doesn't know, but he's going to try to make sure we have to pay attention. It is noise, it is chaos, and in its relentlessness it is exhausting.

But given what we might call the Tstorm approach of pretending Trump is fair, decent, reasonable and well-intentioned, or the approach of most of everyone else here who thinks he is varying levels of untrustworthy and malevolent, the latter is simply the right way to be. Power is dangerous. We need to hold power accountable, and we need to be vigilant to abuses of power. Every time someone in power says something, we need to at least consider the worst in what it means for us and the rest of the world, because you can be absolutely sure when we are not, we leave a hole for them to exploit.
 
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Nah, you're just fully over the edge to silliness.
Sure.

You're complaining that a headline reported the exact words your President used. Let's not lose sight of that, eh.
 
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Although I might be wrong about this, I believe that Satinavian was referring to Hegseth rather than Trump.
Heh! Correction accepted.

And indeed, a good person to address, given that he is potentially the least fit for high office in a generally tawdry cabinet. Hegseth served in the military but topped out at only an NCO rank. He's then had a major role in two modest political charities I'm aware of, with substantial allegations of financial irregularities or maladministration from his time in both. And then he's been a TV host. (That's without considering reputed alcoholism and sexual assault.)

This is, bluntly, not the sort of record an advanced society should expect of its government's cabinet ministers.

For some example comparisons, Kristi Noem was a State Governor and Pam Bondi was a state AG. Trump himself has a track record of running major programmes and organisations, with some successes. Irrespective of their actual competence and accomplishments, at least on paper they have the sorts of backgrounds and experience generally desirable for the posts they hold/held.

And talking about Kristi Noem...
 

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Now i wonder whether he got his weird obsession with fat generals from his NCO years.
He probably couldn't handle seeing "inferior fat people" in positions superior to his. That's what my money would be on anyway.
 

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Sure.

You're complaining that a headline reported the exact words your President used. Let's not lose sight of that, eh.
I wanted to find some bs on Fox News or NewsMax or Daily Wire using partial quotes to mislead you, but I couldn't actually find anything. Your default sources are more evil then the most blatant partisans.
 

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Trump is being his giant baby self and threatening to leave NATO(which isn't legal for him to decide) because Europe rightfully wanted to stay out of the bizarre offensive war waged by a treasonus ingrate who keeps shouting how he hates us, promoting enemies from within Europe, and who wants to steal our land.

Fuck him.
Trump says he’s considering pulling out of NATO – POLITICO
 
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Trump is being his giant baby self and threatening to leave NATO(which isn't legal for him to decide) because Europe rightfully wanted to stay out of the bizarre offensive war waged by a treasonus ingrate who keeps shouting how he hates us, promoting enemies from within Europe, and who wants to steal our land.

Fuck him.
Trump says he’s considering pulling out of NATO – POLITICO
He said, as the USS Ford is currently undergoing maintenance in Greece, a NATO ally.

Aside from NATO not even being the correct organisation to address to unfuck his elective clusterfuck in the middle east, NATO allies have been instrumental in their little adventures in the middle east and their ability to force project across the Atlantic Ocean. Blind orange buffoon.
 
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I wanted to find some bs on Fox News or NewsMax or Daily Wire using partial quotes to mislead you, but I couldn't actually find anything. Your default sources are more evil then the most blatant partisans.
Hmm, yes, it's "evil" indeed to... not edit someone's words to make them sound better. How dare they!

Problem is, it's not a "partial quote", is it? We've seen the full contiguous quote from the FT. You've roped in a separately quoted sentence that referred to land.
 
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I wanted to find some bs on Fox News or NewsMax or Daily Wire using partial quotes to mislead you, but I couldn't actually find anything. Your default sources are more evil then the most blatant partisans.
So you expect newspapers to report Trump's incoherent or inane babble in a way to misleadingly present him more favourably?

R-i-g-h-t.

If anyone wants to understand what Trump derangement syndrome might be, surely it should be the persistent inability of some people to take the Trump's history of dishonesty, fraud, sexual assault and all his ongoing weird, ignorant and incoherent claims as indication that he might have some shortcomings as a president.
 

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Aside from NATO not even being the correct organisation to address to unfuck his elective clusterfuck in the middle east, NATO allies have been instrumental in their little adventures in the middle east and their ability to force project across the Atlantic Ocean. Blind orange buffoon.
Yes. The USA runs a load of military bases and stuff through Europe because it's mighty convenient to US power projection. If they go, it weakens the USA's power projection.

The USA also sells a metric fuck-ton of military hardware to Europe. If it leaves NATO (just as Europe vastly increases its military spending!), I strongly suggest Europe will be a lot less enthusiastic about buying American - which will harm US jobs, and funding for US military R&D, etc.
 
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Fun thing to consider is that the law saying congress rather than the president decides whether to leave NATO is only a recent thing passed exactly because congress realized Trump is a complete traitor wanting to sell out American interest and more importantly its allies to the Russians.
 
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Fun thing to consider is that the law saying congress rather than the president decides whether to leave NATO is only a recent thing passed exactly because congress realized Trump is a complete traitor wanting to sell out American interest and more importantly its allies to the Russians.
Sort of yes and sort of no.

It's Constitutionally unclear. Traditionally, treaty withdrawal was viewed as a joint decision between Congress and President (e.g. if the President announces withdrawal, it happens assuming Congress does not oppose him). However, being a narcissistic, power-mad, chaos-creating shitweasel, Trump had the DoJ produce a novel claim that Presidents had sole authority to withdraw in 2020. That then prompted Congress to make a law explicitly saying otherwise (at least with respect to NATO).

However, even with this new Congressional law, ultimately the answer comes down to whatever SCOTUS feels like saying is the case: we won't know unless someone tests it.
 

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Europe's tepid response to Trump's senseless war is just deserts after years of slandering us, threatening us , betraying us and trying to steal our territory . But even in a vaccum we're well in our rights to tell that vermin this isn't our fight .

we weren't consulted or warned about this at all. Our interests weren't taken into account and no time to prepare for the chaos was given. And only when Trump fails does the wretch consider that this is actually our war too despite sidelining us completely when he was overconfident
 
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Europe's tepid response to Trump's senseless war is just deserts after years of slandering us, threatening us , betraying us and trying to steal our territory . But even in a vaccum we're well in our rights to tell that vermin this isn't our fight .

we weren't consulted or warned about this at all. Our interests weren't taken into account and no time to prepare for the chaos was given. And only when Trump fails does the wretch consider that this is actually our war too despite sidelining us completely when he was overconfident
Not Europe's fight? As if it's just some morally neutral thing to keep a distance from rather than something that should be materially opposed? Europe would have been enthusiastic about American and Zionist aggression but Trump was mean?
 

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Not Europe's fight? As if it's just some morally neutral thing to keep a distance from rather than something that should be materially opposed?
Its exactly that. Trump is a traitor and Iran is an ally of the Russian barbarians trying to topple our continent. Neither deserve our support and both are trying to do us harm. There's no reason for us to favor either of those countries or worry about the setbacks of either of them. If both regimes are your enemy then favoring either is just beyond silly.
 
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I wanted to find some bs on Fox News or NewsMax or Daily Wire using partial quotes to mislead you, but I couldn't actually find anything.
You wanted to deliberately mislead?

I am disappointed.