Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

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They lie to you constantly, and you doubt me for pointing it out.
Your President lies to you constantly (and says he'll take stuff), and you despise those who point it out.

Certainly i doubt you. In this instance it is enough to go to the sole first-hand source, the FT, and verify he said it as reported. But more generally I have every reason to doubt you; you're a shameless partisan, deeply prejudiced against a group of people that includes me, & serially dishonest on political questions.
 
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Your President lies to you constantly (and says he'll take stuff), and you despise those who point it out.

Certainly i doubt you. In this instance it is enough to go to the sole first-hand source, the FT, and verify he said it as reported. But more generally I have every reason to doubt you; you're a shameless partisan, deeply prejudiced against a group of people that includes me, & serially dishonest on political questions.
It is a bold thing to say while being so intensely full a crap.

What do you lose here by agreeing? Would it really pain you to say "ok, I can see how that headline would lead people to the wrong conclusions". The problem with you position is that between the two of us, I'm the one here that has admitted to missing the mark from time to time, so when we're both accusing the other of dishonesty, you have no track record whatsoever. I'm sorry you got manipulated by a headline, but you need to accept and understand that or you're never going to do better.
 

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So Hegseth firedd/force to resign the American chief of staff. That's probably reason to get concerned. Given Hegseth and Trump are utter buffoons with bad intentions the chief of staff probably stood in the way of them doing something extremely dumb and dangerous, and thus had to be removed so they could go do harm.

The question is what bad plan he opposed. Boots on the ground? Slaughter of civilians? Nukes?
US Army chief of staff fired by Hegseth, sources say | Reuters
 
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What do you lose here by agreeing?
This is quite a revealing sentence for you to write, really. It shows that you approach these questions not according to what's true, but what's beneficial to you. What i would "lose" is nothing. Its also totally irrelevant to the truth.

The problem with you position is that between the two of us, I'm the one here that has admitted to missing the mark from time to time, so when we're both accusing the other of dishonesty, you have no track record whatsoever.
Selective memory.

I'm sorry you got manipulated by a headline, but you need to accept and understand that or you're never going to do better.
And I'm sorry that your President has come out with a string of utterly moronic, posturing, often self-contradictory messages about his war aims. But you need to accept that or you'll never advance beyond reflexive tribalism.
 
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This is quite a revealing sentence for you to write, really. It shows that you approach these questions not according to what's true, but what's beneficial to you. What i would "lose" is nothing. Its also totally irrelevant to the truth.
You understood my point and then projected. You are deprioritizing truth, which means you have a different motive, hence why I ask. Because I know you're not approaching the question based on truth, I am lead to ask what it is you are prioritizing.

You know that headline was misleading, just say it and move on.
 

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You understood my point and then projected. You are deprioritizing truth, which means you have a different motive, hence why I ask. Because I know you're not approaching the question based on truth, I am lead to ask what it is you are prioritizing.

You know that headline was misleading, just say it and move on.
Aaah, so its just another instance of your unwillingness to acknowledge disagreement as anything other than a lie.

Put another way, arrogance.
 

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Holy brocoli that's like the worst case scenario for the US. Now Iran has a hostage to perpetually prop up to show the foolishness of this war. At least a dead soldier is '''one and done''

Its also rather horried for the soldier since Trump is on the record that he only likes soldiers ''who don't get captured''. And has been caught about slandering fallen soldiers as ''suckers and losers''. So the poor sod likely can't expect much help. And if there is a rescue its the drunk Hegseth who he'll have to rely on.
US F-15E pilot likely captured by Iranian forces: Local media - Türkiye Today
 

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Holy brocoli that's like the worst case scenario for the US. Now Iran has a hostage to perpetually prop up to show the foolishness of this war. At least a dead soldier is '''one and done''

Its also rather horried for the soldier since Trump is on the record that he only likes soldiers ''who don't get captured''. And has been caught about slandering fallen soldiers as ''suckers and losers''. So the poor sod likely can't expect much help. And if there is a rescue its the drunk Hegseth who he'll have to rely on.
US F-15E pilot likely captured by Iranian forces: Local media - Türkiye Today
I know Iran probably wouldn't do it to avoid even further escalation, but they could just publicly execute the soldier.

Remember how Hegseth was all about giving no quarter? That shit goes both ways.
 
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I know Iran probably wouldn't do it to avoid even further escalation, but could just publicly execute the soldier.

Remember how Hegseth was all about giving no quarter? That shit goes both ways.
The arbitrary execution of Palestinians could also prompt Iran to kill this pilot.
 

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I know Iran probably wouldn't do it to avoid even further escalation, but they could just publicly execute the soldier.

Remember how Hegseth was all about giving no quarter? That shit goes both ways.
The arbitrary execution of Palestinians could also prompt Iran to kill this pilot.
Oops did we hit your water treatment plants. My bad

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Oops did we hit your water treatment plants. My bad

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The Golf states need the desalination more than Iran does. The US currently does not have any good escalatory options.

It seems the pilot search operation led to another plane shot down (pilot safe) an potentially two helicopters (unconfirmed, might be just damaged, might be completely wrong) - Low altitude search missions are dangerous.

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Seems the two helicopters go hit, but not downed.
 
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The Golf states need the desalination more than Iran does. The US currently does not have any good escalatory options.
Unless the US doesn't care about other nations...for that matter, unless the leaders of the US don't care about the US.
 
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Oops did we hit your water treatment plants. My bad

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I already acknowledged that Iran would draw further ire from the US and probably wouldn't do it. Just saying they'd be "justified" in my eyes, considering the US' behaviour.
 

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I already acknowledged that Iran would draw further ire from the US and probably wouldn't do it. Just saying they'd be "justified" in my eyes, considering the US' behaviour.
Given the US's behaviour, in particular killing civilians, as a civilian I don't want my country to support the US on this, for reasons of how justified attacks on my personal safety would be if nothing else.
 

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A prisoner would be far more worth alive for Iran. Mainly because the US must make an agreement that frees him and can't just end the fight and let him rot. Which means that Trump can't just walk away from this mess and pretend it is over.
 

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Trump, 3rd April: "With a little more time, we can easily OPEN THE HORMUZ STRAIT, TAKE THE OIL, & MAKE A FORTUNE. IT WOULD BE A ‘GUSHER’ FOR THE WORLD???”

That's odd, Tstorm assured me "take" only refers to tactical wartime capture, like land, not actually taking it. How would they "make a fortune" from that? :unsure:

Trump, 4th April: "KEEP THE OIL ANYONE?"

Curiouser and curiouser, how can they "keep" something they never wished to "take" in the first place? :unsure::unsure:

Ah, I'm sure there's some hidden context somewhere that makes all his apparently wildly-contradictory statements make perfect sense together ;)
 
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