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theultimateend said:
wouldyoukindly99 said:
CrysisMcGee said:
Personally, i think console and PC games need to stay far away from each other. If I want intelligent, lenghty, highly immersive, and very rewarding, I will go with PC.
If I want a game that is just plain fun, I will go with Console.
You sir, are a PC elitist.

PCs have the constant updates, what I find to be very akward and boring control scheme, and bugs coming out the ass. The few PC games I have lag like no tomorrow (And keep in mind that I have an extremley nice laptop) and most games available on PCs are available on consoles. The controller of a console had more heft and all the buttons are much closer together for quicker reactions (On a PC you can easily hit the wrong button since the keys are all so small and so close together). One argument I hear for PCs is the mouse being extremley accurate in an FPS but I much prefer the control sticks.

People have different preferences about what systems they wish to play their games on, so just keep in mind that everyone does not think like you.
You do see the irony or at least the severe humor in your accusation to the original poster and your response right?

If not I'd be fine with explaining. Otherwise I don't want to ruin the joke for anyone else who reads your post.

Note: I saw your response. Apparently you saw the joke, perhaps it was intentional.

Either way making a bunch of unfounded counterpoints to someone elses unfounded points is pretty 24 hour newsy of you.
I'm merely representing the misrepresented side in as civil a manner as possible by showing that neither side can claim the 'Perfect system' title. It's all about preference.
 

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Well since my PC starts to cry if Oblivion is in the same room as it and I reeeally dont want to upgrade my rig every 9.2 seconds i'll stick with my bricky companion the Constant Console.
I'll admit a nice PC can be a bit pricey.

About 1 thousand dollars or so.

But I haven't had to upgrade my system in over two years and the system before that lasted for almost 6 without needing more than a hundred dollars in upgrades over that time.

This also taking into account that I don't just use my gaming rig for gaming I also do graphics work, music making, officer work, internet browsing (and forum ranting), as well as watching terabytes of...educational programming <<.

Regardless. The you only have to spend money every 9.2 seconds if you were a cheap ass out the door. Even then it is likely because you routinely are a cheap ass with the upgrades.

"WUT! My 20 dollar GFX card won't run crysis!" :p

wouldyoukindly99 said:
I'm merely representing the misrepresented side in as civil a manner as possible by showing that neither side can claim the 'Perfect system' title. It's all about preference.
Had you basically just said this you would have been far more successful. But at least you know what you did.
 

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In case it wasn't clear I was referring to The first RainbowSix on PlayStation, not the modern LasVegas ones (although they are good too). Just making sure that is clear.
 

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Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

http://www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/
 

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ThePeiceOfEden said:
IrirshTerrorist said:
like RainbowSix.
L4D as well


People choose what they want to play on. If you want a game like Half-Life, no one stopping you from getting it.
In case it wasn't clear I was referring to The first RainbowSix on PlayStation, not the modern LasVegas ones (although they are good too). Just making sure that is clear. And by the way, I agree with your point.
 

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I have always defended PC but I bought a PS3...yes I actually did it...but what the hell I had tons of fun...it was sooo worth it
 

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wouldyoukindly99 said:
CrysisMcGee said:
Personally, i think console and PC games need to stay far away from each other. If I want intelligent, lenghty, highly immersive, and very rewarding, I will go with PC.
If I want a game that is just plain fun, I will go with Console.
You sir, are a PC elitist.

PCs have the constant updates, what I find to be very akward and boring control scheme, and bugs coming out the ass. The few PC games I have lag like no tomorrow (And keep in mind that I have an extremley nice laptop) and most games available on PCs are available on consoles. The controller of a console had more heft and all the buttons are much closer together for quicker reactions (On a PC you can easily hit the wrong button since the keys are all so small and so close together). One argument I hear for PCs is the mouse being extremley accurate in an FPS but I much prefer the control sticks.

People have different preferences about what systems they wish to play their games on, so just keep in mind that everyone does not think like you.
Agreed with you last sentence, and totally disagree with the rest (which then proves the last sentence).

It's all a matter of preference. I can play on either, but I find it far more interesting to play on a PC , and find that there is an unfortunate number of myths surrounding PC gaming.

You don't, for example, need to update your PC every few months like many console gamers seem to believe. Like the guy I quoted said, people seem to think PC games are riddled with bugs - I've got around 40 in my collection (from over several periods of time) and none have major (and most don't have minor) bugs.

You could say I'm dead lucky, but again, it's more down to rumour and a few bad experiences. Then there's the idea that PCs are riddled with bugs and what not - only if you're an idiot or, again, unlucky. A free edition of AVG is more than enough to protect you.

The most important thing is what you're comfortable playing with. If it's a gamepad, then fine. If its a mouse and keyboard, then that's fine as well.
 

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IrirshTerrorist said:
You sound like a true old school Gamer. Perhaps, like myself, you grew up in a time when there was a world of difference between P.C and consoles (Worms on P.C in a friends house then back round home for some MGS on the PlayStation). That was when you had you Civilization type intelligent games on the P.C and your more simple fun games on your console, like RainbowSix.
Man, you have no idea. Started with Doom and Wolfensetin 3d. Quest for Glory, King's Quest, Diablo, Half-Life, Fallout...these are a few of my favorite things.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
IrirshTerrorist said:
You sound like a true old school Gamer. Perhaps, like myself, you grew up in a time when there was a world of difference between P.C and consoles (Worms on P.C in a friends house then back round home for some MGS on the PlayStation). That was when you had you Civilization type intelligent games on the P.C and your more simple fun games on your console, like RainbowSix.
Man, you have no idea. Started with Doom and Wolfensetin 3d. Quest for Glory, King's Quest, Diablo, Half-Life, Fallout...these are a few of my favorite things.
Played Diablo, Fallout, Doom and Wolfenstein in my earliest of earliest gaming experiences and later came back to play them again when I was older. What brilliant games.
 

A Weary Exile

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Reuq said:
wouldyoukindly99 said:
CrysisMcGee said:
Personally, i think console and PC games need to stay far away from each other. If I want intelligent, lenghty, highly immersive, and very rewarding, I will go with PC.
If I want a game that is just plain fun, I will go with Console.
You sir, are a PC elitist.

PCs have the constant updates, what I find to be very akward and boring control scheme, and bugs coming out the ass. The few PC games I have lag like no tomorrow (And keep in mind that I have an extremley nice laptop) and most games available on PCs are available on consoles. The controller of a console had more heft and all the buttons are much closer together for quicker reactions (On a PC you can easily hit the wrong button since the keys are all so small and so close together). One argument I hear for PCs is the mouse being extremley accurate in an FPS but I much prefer the control sticks.

People have different preferences about what systems they wish to play their games on, so just keep in mind that everyone does not think like you.
And you sir are a console tard, all the problems that you listed are pluses to PC gamers except the bugs and patches, the large amount of buttons really help in alot of games where there are alot of different commands, and the mouse is superior (if you have a gaming mouse). as for your hardware you might have what you think is a deent laptop but that has nothing to do with lag, your connection does. Also a good laptop might not have a good GPU etc so it wont play games well. As for the bugs/patches you are critersising bugs, then the game devs for patching them? thats a bit grabbing-at-straws for my liking.
It must be chilly on such a high pedastal. As you will see by later posts I am merely representing the console side of the argument and showing that neither system can claim the 'Perfect system' title.

The only games I can think of that require that many buttons would be RTSs (Which are the only games I have on my PC) or MMOs (Which I don't play) but I wouldn't like to play a game such as Far Cry 2 on a PC because a console has all the same functions in a smaller, less-cumbersome format. Simply saying 'The mouse is superior' is not that great an argument, yes long-time PC players may be more accurate with a mouse but I'm much more proficient with a controller, it's all about preference (As you should've read in my first post). My laptop not being good enough raises another negative about PC gaming, you can't just buy any old $2,500 laptop like mine you have to buy the top-of-the-line gaming PC, that will cost much more, just so you can play a game whereas a console is specifically designed for games and games only and costs about $300.

I may be a console 'tard' but at least I can spell 'Criticizing'.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
What I mean is the advantages console games had over PC games, is not so prevalent.

Such as bugs. Console games had to make a finished product, because there was no way to release a patch. Or release an unfinished game, and get poor sales. Superman 64, anyone? PC games have always, and still suffer from this problem. Mostly It is due to the large differences in hardware the game needs to work with. Consoles have, and still have, one set of hardware it needs to work with. But it seems lately that they are relying too much on the internet. Updating the game, patching it, waiting half an hour to play your game.

Seems we are trying to bridge the gap. I don't like it.

Load Times. Okay, this went out the window ever since disc-based media became the norm. PC will always dominate here.

Plug-and-play. This seems to still be an advantage with consoles, if you like longer load times. I heard a couple years back they tried to make this available for the PC. Seems people will stand up with an installation to get much shorter load times. Actually, I'd rather install my games on a console to get shorter load times.

Personally, i think console and PC games need to stay far away from each other. If I want intelligent, lenghty, highly immersive, and very rewarding, I will go with PC.
If I want a game that is just plain fun, I will go with Console.



Okay, it seems I need some clarification. What I'm saying is the advantages Consoles had over PC games are lessened. Not as Prevalent.
Coupla your points are groundless. Loading times? I never usually have a problem, on either of my consoles. Bugs? Yes, they can release patches, that's what most of the game updates on 360 are, as well as on PS3. Seems to me like you're a bit far into PC, and can't deal with the fact that console gaming is what's at the centre of the market now.
 

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i'm a pc fanboy, so basically the reason i don't like consoles is because i'm not familiar with them. I bought one of the newest ps3's though, for a blu ray player.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
Actually, I'd rather install my games on a console to get shorter load times.
The Xbox 360 allows you to do this, actually. Although, you'll probably only have enough harddrive space for one game at a time.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
*snip*
Updating the game, patching it, waiting half an hour to play your game.
*more snips*
Actually, I'd rather install my games on a console to get shorter load times.
I assume you don't own an xbox 360... because those you play immediately and patches take like 30 seconds max.

In addition the install is an option to lower loading times and disc spinning noise.


Finally, SPLITSCREEN MULTIPLAYER! that is why consoles will always be better than pcs IMHO

not to mention that for 299 you can buy a console capable of playing games you would need a 1500 dollar computer for, and one you know will be supported for a while (the xbox360 has been around since 2005, games still work on it, I can't say that about my computer i had in 2005)
 

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Am I the only person whose PC does everything asked of it?

Some would claim that it's because I shelled out loads, but my PC was no more expensive than your average home desktop pre-build, along with some energy expenditure akin to following the instructions for a lego model (a little one).

of course, there's no point starting topics SUPERIOR GAMING PCs, as all it does is descend into flame wars.

SO here's some more fuel for the fire:
I dislike console games, because there are certain series, and even whole dev houses, that are just plain better on PC- Ascaron/Paradox, makers of Mount and blade, Darkstar one etc are pretty interesting. Not ever game is a masterpiece, but they do have fun concepts. Though IIRC, Sacred 2 was on consoles, but you can have it- the first one sucked. Valve, of course, seems to have forgotten about console gamers, what with the lack of updates. And of course, GSC, developers of my beloved STALKER.

And strategy games. The keep trying on consoles, but it never works.

In other news, Section 8, which is currently assaulting my eyes on this very website, is apparently better on PC- I read a review in PC gamer giving it almost 90%, while some 360 mag I read (I swear, it wasn't my idea!) gave it closer to 60%, a strange reversal of fate considering the crap ports we PC gamers have had recently. I put it down to PC's long tradition of multiplayer only games meaning that we're more accepting of a game that holds two fingers up at single player (the 360 mag complained about the lackluster single player campaign)
 

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They are a lot of PC games that lag the living heck even if the hardware you have theoretically succeeds the system requieremtns.
GTA IV and Saints Row 2 for the PC for one.
They are a lot of games for the PC that are almost released in a Alpha Build state (S.T.A.L.K.E.R-series) that can't be run at a decent framerate or get any descent gameplay out of it unless you have a Quad-SLI system.
 

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The biggest problem i have with a PC is that the updates are constant as well as graphical card updates. As a kid who only buys a game one every few months or so the idea of buying more RAM, sound, HDD, Drivers as a whole, Screen, and a game that is also around 40 bucks does not seem worth it at some times though i find PC games harder and more use of thought then console; at my point in life console games are what you need to veg out not some complex RTS games.

Also i call flame war