Ahhhh it's true Sony are not quite so clever in the image department.
Pity, since PS3 is a damn good console. Good article.
Pity, since PS3 is a damn good console. Good article.
This isn't an article about the PS3's merits. This is about how Sony can't seem to focus on a message for its console. The average consumer is left with little to latch onto, because Sony's marketing is so scattershot. Ergo, the PS3's various plusses, which are many, aren't really relevant. I say the PS3 is great, which is is. Why do I need to go into more detail than that?mrx19869 said:I find that you (and Sony's marketing) forget to mention other great features the PS3 has going for it.Susan Arendt said:Yes, I do, an original launch model. Ah, sweet, sweet BC....mrx19869 said:does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?
you are correct in saying that i am less than objective, but everyone need to admit that the wii was rushed, and could have started out of the gate a whole lot better, now sony is stepping up to the game and they are gonna do it right.Logan Westbrook said:If you say so, but your comments about the Wii earlier suggest that you're less than objective.mrx19869 said:but this isnt a good article...Logan Westbrook said:Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.Random Bobcat said:A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?
Sir, please stop the name calling. Note also that I never claimed a conspiracy. Note that I also know that Susan isn't a PS3 hater. Note that not everyone claiming a perceivable bias is calling for heads to roll or for the Bastille to be stormed.John Funk said:D.) Take. The fanboy blinders. Off. And while you're at it, take the tinfoil hat off, too. You're taking this way too personally, dude.
Every single one of us here in the Escapist offices bought a PS3 with their own hard cash. We wouldn't have done this if we didn't think the machine was pretty cool in a lot of ways. You're an idiot if you think we're all members of a global conspiracy dedicated to undermine Sony.
Thanks...glad to know someone got the point.StriderShinryu said:Wow.. pro Sony fanboys unite.
You do realize you're missing the entire point of the column, right? The column clearly isn't about "PS3 suxxorz!!1!" or "I have no idea what the PS3 is *head explodes*" The column is about Sony's marketing strategies and, to some extent, their development plans... and it's not really talking about those who are generally in the know (aka those who read and post on The Escapist).
As for why a breakdown of MS's 360 marketing history and their positioning of Natal hasn't been included, I'm guessing it's because the 360 hasn't seen it's first real push yet. We don't even know if it's going to be called Natal. If MS has the same issues as Sony does when it makes the big push, then of course they should be examined in the same way (though the OP is right in saying that MS has had a more generally cohesive marketing push for the 360 to this point).
A.) That was the official title; both Natal and Arc/Gem/Wand/whatever were working titles. When Natal reveals its official title, we'll start calling it that.Random Bobcat said:This is bizarre.
a) Seeing as both devices were still referred to as X's motion device this bears little weight, but good point for you I suppose.
b) No, it's just stapled on features like a catwalk model, much better.
c) Wow - so the motion capture bar bears no resemblance to the Wii's?
d) I think you jumping to the defence of the 360 need to take the blinders off. "Fanboy" is a desperate insult for someone running low on argument.
I just assumed Susan auto submitted this, but with the staff rallying in to defend I'm becoming more and more surprised.
And before you blurt "fanboy" to me, I maintain the attitude that this generation suffers from copying in general - not just Sony.
The message has to change because the people buying the ps3 are different now than they were 4 years ago. The people who purchased the ps3 the day it came out like me (waited 3 days in a tent with my friends for it) we knew everything about it, they did not have to market it, they didnt even have to put a picture on the box for me.Susan Arendt said:This isn't an article about the PS3's merits. This is about how Sony can't seem to focus on a message for its console. The average consumer is left with little to latch onto, because Sony's marketing is so scattershot. Ergo, the PS3's various plusses, which are many, aren't really relevant. I say the PS3 is great, which is is. Why do I need to go into more detail than that?mrx19869 said:I find that you (and Sony's marketing) forget to mention other great features the PS3 has going for it.Susan Arendt said:Yes, I do, an original launch model. Ah, sweet, sweet BC....mrx19869 said:does anybody know if this "Susan Arendt" the author of this post owns a PS3, and if so what model?
Ok, that's all fine, but when did we get an article that dwelt on the long term ramifications of XBox branding when it did a shot-for-shot ripoff off Miis? WE DIDN'T. That's what people like me are talking about. Sony gets a concern troll piece about it's direction, but MS NEVER DOES. If you'd like to link to the article you feel treats MS or Nintendo with the same "concern from a real fan of the platform", that would go MILES toward putting any impression of (possibly unconscious) bias to rest.Susan Arendt said:Oh, and to address folks saying the 360 plays copycat, too...well, yes, absolutely it does, and I never claimed otherwise. To say that Sony's marketing is failing isn't saying that Microsoft's is succeeding. I'm not praising Microsoft simply because I'm not saying "yeah, they suck, too." This article is in response to a Sony trailer, and addresses Sony's apparent lack of understanding of its own product. Microsoft really isn't relevant for that discussion. If/when Microsoft releases a commercial for Natal that is practically a shot-for-shot copy of a Wii commercial, you can be sure I'll mention it.
Again, I'm not angry.Logan Westbrook said:Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.Random Bobcat said:A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?
Superficially, yes, but the tech behind it is very, very different. The sensor bar is essentially a just a reference point for the Wii remote, and all it does it emit two points of IR light. Natal, on the other hand, has two cameras built into it to position a player and track their movements.Random Bobcat said:c) Wow - so the motion capture bar bears no resemblance to the Wii's?
That's what the article is talking about, that Sony doesn't have a clear idea of what it wants to PS3 to be. Part of the reason that the Kevin Butler were so well received is that it seemed like Sony had finally decided how it was going to market the PS3, and had made a really good job of it. But now it seems Sony has a new angle for the PS3, one that eschews very endearing Mr Butler. I don't know if you've seen the trailer for Move, but it makes the PS3 look so much like the Wii it's like they were separated at birth.mrx19869 said:my problem with this article is that how can the PS3 have an identity crisis when they are saying that
"it does everything" and it does... everything
Well, you sound like you are, so you might want to rein that in.SaintWaldo said:Again, I'm not angry.Logan Westbrook said:Nope, but an angry rant about a good article is.Random Bobcat said:A well informed counter statement to a poor article is "taking it personally"?
rembrandtqeinstein" post="6.180282.5286698 said:100% dead on. The ps3 was not only released last, had the glorious $600 price tag/quote]
yeah but how much money has xbox360 users payed since launch to get online and play with your friends? It seems like i have spent less on my ps3 5 years down the road because i payed a higher price tag up front.