- Sep 16, 2014
- United States
So the only way, the only possible way to argue how media can be better is to forsake anything that you don't find completely perfect?Jamcie Kerbizz said:[
Complaining for sake of complaining and making you feel better? Sure do that, gets you nothing but occasional slap from people annoyed by that.
I was talking about and to people who are interested in getting things improved the way they envision it. If someone just wants to moan how unhappy she/he is. Sure go ahead.
Yes, the report that was written without her input referenced her, which is why she was invited to speak. She did not actually have anything to do with writing the damn thing.webkilla said:well, she and Quinn presented it there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3m-bcaCVbM
As for what she's credited with?
On page 25 of the report, in a segment where the report lists cases of 'violence', Sarkeesian has an entry. It reads:
Feminist public speaker, media critic and blogger/founder of Feminist Frequency
Endured a campaign of sexist harassment including rape and deaths, personal webpages and social media were hacked, and personal information was distributed. She was sent images of herself raped by video game characters. Also a target of gamergate.
I mean, the FBI: https://vault.fbi.gov/gamergate/Gamergate%20Part%2001%20of%2001/viewwebkilla said:Now... nobody has ever been able to find any police reports of any these threats. But you know, gotta listen and believe.
See above link. Have fun.webkilla said:that's the only time she's mentioned directly in the report - and IMO I think that's bad enough. Half of this stuff has never been proven - that is, she has never really shown much of this, and for all the supposed threats she got, then she never went to the cops with it. She went to her kickstarter with it, to cry for victimbux. Sure sounds serious.
So, any logical reason video games would be exempt from having the same sort of effect as other media?webkilla said:Your claim: "video games reinforces stereotypes". (again, we were talking video games, not all kinds of media in existance, lets stay on topic)
So, this study shows that reminding girls that they're supposed to be bad at math actually makes them test worse in math, and that somehow means that the study is sexist and women shouldn't be in video games?webkilla said:Lets see how your sources back that up.
- this is a blog. It doesn't really have much content on its own, but it links to more things. I would take this more seriously, if you had linked directly to the relevant things mentioned in this blog post, so I don't have to sift through all the chaff.
- it starts out with being offended over a tiny bit of science fiction, that jokingly talks about how women are so much better shoppers than men. Because that's offensive
- no that's not really relevant here.
- in fact, it doesn't seem to talk much about video games at all.
- oh hold on, here we go:
- it cites a study that claims to prove that reminding young girls that they are girls, lowers their test scores
- hold on, are you citing a source that claims that women are emotionally frail and can't handle challenges as well as men?
(that's like... sexist, isn't it? sexist science?)
Whelp, that is actually an argument against having women shown in video games.
As in, this study would support the notion of having all video game characters either be gender neutral or male because having female playable characters would make it more difficult for women and girls to play challenging games, if we allow ourselves to go from challenging tests to challenging games. IMO its not that big a leap.
- oh is that not the conclusion I'm supposed to make from that source? I'm sorry, but that's what the study it cited is pointing towards.
- Congratulations Alt, you played yourself. On your first citation. Top kek.
I'm good mate. I've seen all I need to about the thought process you're bringing to the table.webkilla said:How about we just skip ahead to the next source you link?
Is. There. Any. Reason. Video. Games. Wouldn't. Effect. People. Like. Other. Media?
EDIT: Actually no, one more: If media repeating negative stereotypes about swaths of the population doesn't actually change people's attitudes and isn't actually bad, riddle me this:
Why is the repeated "false" stereotype of gamers being sexist a bad thing? After all, it would actually change anybody's perceptions, right?