Copyright Lawyers Sued by Copyright Infringers
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Excellent, I love to see pirates doing things right and being portrayed as intelligent people rather than sleazy and detrimental to society.
Pretty soon the defendants are gonna be suing the lawyers' lawyers' because they were suing the defendants' lawyers and that's gonna escalate into a lawyer fight, in which law books shall be thrown around the court-room (also, they're gonna need some HUGE tables to fit all those lawyers)Wicky_42 said:Nope - this is the defendants suing the lawyers suing their lawyer LOL - it's all one big happy suing family, and I love it! He did use the same pic thoughFreezy_Breezy said:
HAHA!!! So basically, the lawfirm that scares everybody with lawsuits just got it ass handed lawsuits from those very people...
I bet alot of those people baught that self-help guide...
I bet alot of those people baught that self-help guide...
That's the problem, and the ewntire point of this counter-suit. Even if there is no chance that they'll be found liable, court battles can easily cost the defendant thousands of dolars, even without a defence council. The USCG knows this, and so threatens a lawsuit but offering a comparitively less expensive option of a settlement, where they pay some agreed-upon fee to their clientsto avoid the lawsuit. In other words, they're saying "Pay us this money or we'll drag you into court over it." The gist of this lawsuit is that that is precisely the intent of threatening thosands of people with lawsuits; not a fair hearing under the law, but extorting money from people too poor to defend themselves.dogstile said:
It will be interesting to see what happens from here on out.
It might not be an easy matter to buy out the judges (if your that cynical) or see the copyright office bull through it, if these claims are going to result in people putting forward money as well.
See, if hundreds or thousands of people involved in this all chip in a hundred bucks or so (since they were threatened for $1500 or more apiece) that gives them the money to hire lawyers to represent them collectively and keep an eye on things. Of course this also means that even if there is a settlement, after the legal fees any award gained is liable to be split up so many ways as to do very little except cost the copyright lawyers a nice chunk of change.
We'll see what happens, it will probably be a long time in coming before any resolution is reached.
It might not be an easy matter to buy out the judges (if your that cynical) or see the copyright office bull through it, if these claims are going to result in people putting forward money as well.
See, if hundreds or thousands of people involved in this all chip in a hundred bucks or so (since they were threatened for $1500 or more apiece) that gives them the money to hire lawyers to represent them collectively and keep an eye on things. Of course this also means that even if there is a settlement, after the legal fees any award gained is liable to be split up so many ways as to do very little except cost the copyright lawyers a nice chunk of change.
We'll see what happens, it will probably be a long time in coming before any resolution is reached.
So, the lawyers are suing someone for breaking their multi-thousand dollar extortion racket with $20 packages, and getting bit by the guys they were trying to extort. If they try suing against these guys, and it spirals from there, this will become truly amusing, as long as the extortionist assholes end up bankrupt by the absurdity.
The way I see it, if tomorrow 25% of the country turned psycho and each murdered someone at random, would we see fit to apply the death penalty to 25% of the country in the rough area it happened, because it's close enough and it's gonna save on paperwork?
No, if you had concrete evidence, then perhaps we'd let police shoot on sight, but you don't just nail say...the westmost 25% of the country and call it 'close enough'.
Just because it's going to be some work to prosecute someone breaking copyright law, it does not mean you can just make up the rules.
I'm getting mighty sick of corporations just steamrollering over everything, when most of them are doing just fine anyways, by all means chase the criminals, but do it within current laws, and ideally, keep some level of morality too, so you don't look scummier than the pirates you're chasing.
Here's my question, if they're losing so much money, how can they constantly afford highly paid fleets of lawyers at a moment's notice? I imagine if they quit being dicks, they'd not have to sell another 5,000 copies of a movie to pay for a couple more hours of lawyer time.
The sheer tidal wave of real money that gets thrown away trying to stop the loss of potential money would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic and tragic at once.
No, if you had concrete evidence, then perhaps we'd let police shoot on sight, but you don't just nail say...the westmost 25% of the country and call it 'close enough'.
Just because it's going to be some work to prosecute someone breaking copyright law, it does not mean you can just make up the rules.
I'm getting mighty sick of corporations just steamrollering over everything, when most of them are doing just fine anyways, by all means chase the criminals, but do it within current laws, and ideally, keep some level of morality too, so you don't look scummier than the pirates you're chasing.
Here's my question, if they're losing so much money, how can they constantly afford highly paid fleets of lawyers at a moment's notice? I imagine if they quit being dicks, they'd not have to sell another 5,000 copies of a movie to pay for a couple more hours of lawyer time.
The sheer tidal wave of real money that gets thrown away trying to stop the loss of potential money would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic and tragic at once.
Good.
I have no love for pirates but this sort of legal extortion is worse. It's essentially no different than extortionists telling you that Vito will break your kneecaps if you don't pay protection.
And, as has been said, people have only been ACCUSED. I had this happen to me when a Canadian law firm threatened me with the exact same type of suit. (In my case, they claimed to be collecting for charge calls made from my phone.) Wasted the better part of a day making sure that they couldn't do what they were claiming they could take me to court for. The only thing that they had to pay for is two long distance phone calls. (Believe me, they pressured me with the first call trying to get me to make a snap decision.)
I have no love for pirates but this sort of legal extortion is worse. It's essentially no different than extortionists telling you that Vito will break your kneecaps if you don't pay protection.
And, as has been said, people have only been ACCUSED. I had this happen to me when a Canadian law firm threatened me with the exact same type of suit. (In my case, they claimed to be collecting for charge calls made from my phone.) Wasted the better part of a day making sure that they couldn't do what they were claiming they could take me to court for. The only thing that they had to pay for is two long distance phone calls. (Believe me, they pressured me with the first call trying to get me to make a snap decision.)
Irony.Sir Subtle said:
OT: I can't side with either of them. Self-entitled pirates suck. But so do sue-happy money extorting cartels. If you are one of these two things, then you suck. So while I can't pat the backs of the pirates, I can say that the cartel had this coming. Let's see how they like getting a taste of this.
So wait, if I'm understanding, then this tactic of threatening mass amounts of people to try and scare them into a settlement regardless of their actual culpability is the NORM, not this rouge group of attourneys that got off their leashes?Andy Chalk said:
I hope these guys go down in flames, I really do. Every last one. I had just started to work up a bit of respect for this country and its legal system, but if this is it, a system run on fear tactics, then I'd rather see it go down in flames and live in anarchy. At least gang violence fear tactics are honest.