Correct use of the term "gg" in gaming

Altorin

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RH3INLAND. said:
WhiteTigerShiro said:
Good Game isn't so much an implication at how well or how poorly you played, and more a show of good sportsmanship. It's like bowing to your opponent before and after a spar, or tapping swords before a duel. Pretty much any competition you can think of has its show of sportsmanship, and for gaming that's saying "gg" at the end of a match.
Agreed entirely.
It's exactly like when hockey teams line up and EVERY player tags ALL the players on the other team and says "good game".. They say it 20 times, to each and every member of the opposing team, no matter what the match was like.. it's just how you end a hockey match.. you start it with the national anthem, and you finish it with a sportsman's pass.

It's tradition, based in chivalric practices hundreds of years old, and it's just respectful to stand on equal grounds at the end of the match and shake hands. The stronger player steps down to shake the hand of the weaker player, and the weaker player steps up to do the same. If I put my hand out to shake your hand after a match of ANYTHING and you shunned my hand, that'd be unsportsmanlike.

I used to shake hands over friendly games of Magic the Gathering. It's just what you do.
 

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Altorin said:
RH3INLAND. said:
WhiteTigerShiro said:
Good Game isn't so much an implication at how well or how poorly you played, and more a show of good sportsmanship. It's like bowing to your opponent before and after a spar, or tapping swords before a duel. Pretty much any competition you can think of has its show of sportsmanship, and for gaming that's saying "gg" at the end of a match.
Agreed entirely.
It's exactly like when hockey teams line up and EVERY player tags ALL the players on the other team and says "good game".. They say it 20 times, to each and every member of the opposing team, no matter what the match was like.. it's just how you end a hockey match.. you start it with the national anthem, and you finish it with a sportsman's pass.

It's tradition, based in chivalric practices hundreds of years old, and it's just respectful to stand on equal grounds at the end of the match and shake hands. The stronger player steps down to shake the hand of the weaker player, and the weaker player steps up to do the same. If I put my hand out to shake your hand after a match of ANYTHING and you shunned my hand, that'd be unsportsmanlike.

I used to shake hands over friendly games of Magic the Gathering. It's just what you do.
second this. Even if it was a bad match it saves your dignity.
 

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I can't disagree with OP. I usually say "gg" to indicate that the game was fun, and pretty damn even so that it was a good challange for everyone else. But often I only just see "gg" coming from one side of an owning. I've seen similar dickwaving on RuneScape where the party who wins too easily says "gf" (good fight), not to express a fun time, but to rub it in the face. Heck, some players even say it to NPCs...
 

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BonsaiK said:
Lios said:
Uhhh.... I can't see why you would get so very annoyed by something like this that you had to actually made a huge post about it. It's just common courtesy. Who cares if YOU had a good game or not, everyone else might have even if they got their asses whooped.
To put it into cxontext, imagine a situation say, in an MMORPG, where you are minding your own biz. Two seconds later a rival player appears. Three seconds later, you are dead. Five seconds later, "gg" in the chat window.
That made me laugh, the MMO part XD

I can see what you mean, and it does seem a tad arrogant that he said it first, but I more or less think it was just a tick. A habit. Some gamers say that and then leave the room without waiting for a reply. He might not even think about it as "i did beter than u n00b" and more just "I had fun".

Or, possibly, "You may not have done so well this time, but keep at it, you have potential." But I doubt two letters have that much subtext to them :p
 
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I play Trackmania United online and on most servers that I've played on, the majority of the players will say "gga" after each map, especially if it was a close finish (I've won (and lost) a few time trials by less than 0.05 seconds >_<). The way I see it is that it is a show of good sportsmanship.
 

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Lullabye said:
Altorin said:
RH3INLAND. said:
WhiteTigerShiro said:
Good Game isn't so much an implication at how well or how poorly you played, and more a show of good sportsmanship. It's like bowing to your opponent before and after a spar, or tapping swords before a duel. Pretty much any competition you can think of has its show of sportsmanship, and for gaming that's saying "gg" at the end of a match.
Agreed entirely.
It's exactly like when hockey teams line up and EVERY player tags ALL the players on the other team and says "good game".. They say it 20 times, to each and every member of the opposing team, no matter what the match was like.. it's just how you end a hockey match.. you start it with the national anthem, and you finish it with a sportsman's pass.

It's tradition, based in chivalric practices hundreds of years old, and it's just respectful to stand on equal grounds at the end of the match and shake hands. The stronger player steps down to shake the hand of the weaker player, and the weaker player steps up to do the same. If I put my hand out to shake your hand after a match of ANYTHING and you shunned my hand, that'd be unsportsmanlike.

I used to shake hands over friendly games of Magic the Gathering. It's just what you do.
second this. Even if it was a bad match it saves your dignity.
Another person agreeing over here. After sparring I always bow to my opponent, shake hands with them and then tell them it was a good match. It's a sign of courtesy and respect. I may be better than them now, but I was at their level once and they'll be at my level one day. Same thing if I get my ass whomped by someone who's a million times better than me. At least I had fun, learned something in the process and now I'll be able to come back and fight harder next time. I'm sure a lot of people say "gg" to be arrogant pricks, but a great many are just stating the fact that they had fun playing.
 

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Well...they COULD have been arrogantly gloating over their victory ot they may very well have just been displaying good sportsmanship (something that the OP clearly isn't, considering his complaint).

Not everyone who plays an online game is a malicious ************ who will rub every victory in your face (some of us are actually nice people who reletively well controlled egos).

Rants like the one above are proof, as if it were needed, that some people take games far too seriously.
Absolute truth, this.

Saying gg after dominating an opponent isn't gloating, it's a form of "Hey, no hard feelings. Yeah, I pwned you, but I don't hate you. You want to try again or something? Maybe that was just a bad round for you." If anything, this confusion is a wake-up call to all of the people freaking out that face-to-face communication will die in the wake of twitter, IM, and email. The communication medium of game chat doesn't lend itself well towards prolonged explanation of feelings. So, "gg".
 

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When I first started playing online games, I would tell people "gg" if I enjoyed myself during the course of the event. It was rare that I ever play a game where victory or defeat hinges more than loosely on what I accomplish in a battle. When I played tribes for example, my forte was that of screening with a scout. I would scour the middle of the battlefield and reduce the numbers coming into our base, chase down flag runners and whatnot, but at the end of the day the ultimate keys to victory lay in the meticulous individuals who would turn the flag rooms and generators into nearly impenetrable fortresses and that foolhardy lot that prefered to spend their time in brutal close quarters combat.

It seems odd, but back in those days when text was the only form of communication available I was more attached to my team and their actions. The same goes for the enemy team. It seems strange but in Tribes, if both flags were taken a common occurance was the epic flag duel, where opposing flag carriers would fight a 1v1 battle for possession of the flag. I can't even begin to imagine that level of sportsmanship in a modern FPS game.

These days, since I tend to play games on a console I rarely even bother donning my headset to communicate with other players. As often as not, my own team (and my opponents) do not represent a communal effort at having fun, but rather a group of individuals who seem to delight in being the biggest bastard possible. Sometimes, most notably in Battlefield: Bad Company, I will congratulate my squad on a job well done because when a squad is willing to work together, a player can experience a great deal of joy. L4D is notable as well because the adversarial mode, when well matched makes me thankful for the work my own team has done as well as that of the opposing team for offering such a significant challenge to our progresss.

I think this trend probably originates in sporting events, where win or lose a team is forced to shake the other team's hand. When I played baseball it always seemed like a triumphant march, when we lost it seemed like I was signigng the documents of submission. In short, it never seemed genuine back then.

As a fencer, one is required to not only shake the opponents hand, they must also salute them at the beginning and end of a bout. From time to time a match is so one sided that nothing is gained by either myself or my opponent and I always resent having to shake a hand then. Most of the time however when I fence with all the skill I can muster and my opponent does as well it matters not to me if the score is 15 - 3 because even in these bouts both of us can be commended for delivering the best effort one can. Before I ever played an individual sport I never realized just how important it was to be able to say at the end - that was the best I could have done.
 

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I think, in a nutshell, the OP is a sore loser and doesn't like it when the winner communicates to him AT ALL after a win. Anyone agreeing with him also likely is a sore loser, or are overly competitive while playing games.


Congrats. You just trounced/got trounced by some RANDOM dude on the internet. You can now remeasure your penis size.

Oh look! Mine just went down 3 points!
Take up tourney Kendo. Try being a sore winner. I'll stand on the sidelines and laugh.

TO ALL OF YOU TAKING POT SHOTS AT THE ORIGINAL POSTER:
Just because a person has not experienced "X" does not mean "X" does not exist. It just means you don't what we're talking about when we talk about "X". Simple basic concept. I've seen WAAAY more than my fair share of hacks on and off the net who pull the exact same kind of crap the OP described. In short STFU and let us vent, or exercise your freedom of speech and become the target of said venting while we exercise our freedoms.
 

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I say GG when I had fun playing, no matter if I got destroyed or I owned the guy. Every game is a good game in my opinion.
 

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BonsaiK said:
"gg" stands for "good game", right? Good. Just so we all understand each other.

I got the idea from this thread from watching the Starcraft II battle reports. In these, the loser would say "gg" to the winner when they knew they had nothing to fight back with, it's like raising the white flag... etc.
I see your point, but it varies in it's usage between player groups. Me and my friends say good game when it's been a good game, i.e. when we've enjoyed ourselves and we think the other players have too. So generally when it's a close fought match it's gg-able, regardless of who won.

I think the developers of guild wars hit the satire nail on the head when they made the AI in the Zaishen Arena only say good game when they win. :p
 

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Haha! I play the first Starcraft and I completely see where your coming from! I allways get owned by pros and then they say 'gg'. I annoys me too! >.<



GLHF, GOADL
 

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I think I'm reciprocating what most of you are saying, but I don't have the moment to ponder the whole thread right now (time to eat lunch!)

I take 'GG' to mean "I had a good game: thank you." The degree to which it annoys you is a reflection of your disappointment in your own performance, which might in turn be compounded by the other player's behavior: i.e. if he just appeared from no-where and stomped you like a dog-turd, or if he regarded you with cold-silence until the time came to offer a formality before parting. Unless someone tells you 'good game' while they walk away cackling, or point and laugh at you, or say 'good game you miserable piece of shit why do you even try', then the tone of 'GG' is completely subjective.

I often say 'GG' after kicking someone's ass because I had a genuinely good time.
I also say 'GG' after being defeated by someone much better than myself because I appreciate the challenge, even if I didn't quite rise to the occasion.
But I most often say 'GG' because we're playing gun-game on counter-strike. and in that context it's more like a drunken chant than a handshake. Gun-game is always a good game!
 

BonsaiK

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I'm obviously a bit strange because when I see an internet statement, I interpret it literally. When I see "gg" I always figured it meant "good game". What a lot of the replies have demonstrated to me is that that isn't actually what it means at all. I think "gg" depending on context can mean many things, not limited to but including:

"I had a great time, thanks for playing with me"
"sucked in nooblet, I beat you because I am the best"
"you played a good game but I did not"
"I played a good game but you did not"
"neither of us know how to play but at least we equally suck"
"I'm too lazy to type what I really think but I feel awkward not typing anything"
etc...

I think what this thread proves is that some gamers are nice and some are mean-spirited, and both use the term "gg" in different ways to mean different things in different contexts. So I learnt stuff which is awesome and this is what the purpose of this thread is for. Please keep discussing.
 

BonsaiK

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(actually I really wanted to have the last word, and I've learnt that there's no better way to do that here than to say "please keep discussing" at the end of a thread)
 

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Or you can interpret it as "I know that you aren't as good as I, but at least you didn't quit halfway through, and I respect that, good game to you."
 

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I use it always when I know my team gave it's best, enemy gave his best and everyone had fun. It's not a good game when one team rolls another in 5 minutes...