Helmholtz Watson said:
No its not, we are just saying that if a person is born male with xy chromosomes and they get surgery to look like a women, it doesn't change their chromosomes.
And saying that is completely meaningless.
Do you have any credible medical sources to back up your claim towards the notion that chromosomes don't play a role in determining if a person is male or female, because just saying "I know a "professional" who disagrees with you, take my word for it" is not a very convincing stance.
Have you ever taken a single look at this?
From your posts, I'm guessing no. Because a simple google search would be enough to turn up such cases (not to mention debunk a lot of your other specious claims in this thread), and if you went on google scholar.... It's kind of sad, because you skipped right over the dude who used a basic understanding of high school science to explain how genetics aren't the part that intrinsically matters to ask me this.
Let me ask you another question: If you can have an XY woman who has primary sexual characteristics, can develop secondary sexual characteristics, can mesntruate, get pregnant, and carry young to term....I shouldn't even say if, but SINCE. Since you have women out there like that, what difference does it make if they have "male chromosomes?"
(external factors may be necessary to maintain such a pregnancy, incidentally, but that does not immediately mean a chromosome issue).
If your girlfriend/wife had a child with you, then was determined to be "male" by some genetic screening process, would you dump her? Tell her she wasn't a woman? What? Would you pull an Oedipus Rex when you learned the "truth?"
TopazFusion said:
I think it's little more than an excuse that people hide behind to make their bigotry less obvious.
This is probably true, but I was wondering if anyone could provide a reason. Or, alternatively, maybe this would spark something in their minds. There are women out there, biological women, with XY chromosomes, too, so that's a bogus reason too. I doubt anyone seriously screens their partner's chromosomes for signs of genetic gender differences, either. Depending on the XY female instance, they can even go so far as to have kids and possibly not know they're not "real" women by these interesting standards unless something goes wrong.
Again, people slap "science!" on prejudice and want it to have validity, but I was hoping maybe someone would put thought into it.
Beffudled Sheep said:
I appreciate your candor.
EclipseoftheDarkSun said:
You can't just slap "science" on your beliefs either.
How fortunate I am neither slapping science on my statements nor erroneously calling them beliefs.
You are free to continue your insistence, but that doesn't give your superstitions any inherent validity. I'm sorry, sweetie, I really am. This is why those people who do all those surgeries, those doctors who recommend and screen them, all seem to disagree with you on the concept of gender.