Profits on Nintendo's consoles tend to be very slim, so this argument is kind of limited.spekkio9 said:
Cracked thinks Nintendo's Lost It
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I don't know who this guy is and I don't know how serious or not this article is. But I completely agree with his article. I hope that doesn't make me a whiny guy or something like that; that article just pretty much sums up my fears about the console.
I, too, don't wanna hate on Nintendo because deep down, I still like them. Hell, they introduced me to gaming and I like to buy their home consoles just for shits and giggles.
When the Wii came out, I was skeptical as to how the motion controllers were gonna work out but...I guess for the most part, I was sold on them, years after they were released, of course.
But this new console is just being gimmicky, not innovative. See, the Wii was welcomed because it had innovative and inviting ideas: It forced you to get off your lazy ass, it added the "Random mini-games for the whole family" idea, and so on. I said before and I'll say it again: This console is a step backwards from whatever they've accomplished with the Wii because:
-The huge controller is the exact opposite of the Wiimote. While the Wiimote was tough to get used to at first, it literally made you part of the game. Raising your Wiimote and aiming it to the sky as you retrieve the Master Sword was a great moment I'll never forget. But now games have to find a way to incorporate that brick of a controller into their gameplay.
-Peeling your eyes off the screen, even for just a second, is never a good idea when you're playing. Like that guy said, it's not about timing it right or knowing when to access your menu. This is why most games give you shortcut keys/buttons to everything. You know how when you're playing online, you try to never pause the game even if you have to? Yeah, it's kinda like that. Only all the time. I know this wouldn't always be the case. But again, developers will HAVE to find a way to make that work for their games because, well damn, it's already there!
-The lack of privacy and being connected all the time is also a horrible idea, especially for a console aimed towards kids and families. Leave that to more "hardcore" gamers. (I hate that word but you know what I mean). This is something that I like about my 360 that my PS3 doesn't have. See, with the 360, you can chat with anyone no matter what game they're playing and you can see what they're doing. Don't feel like giving your location away? Just set it to Appear Offline. But the WiiU will make it so that you're always online. You can't just have your friends added, you gotta have the ENTIRE universe. It's as if I wanted to text my friend but instead, I decided to create a topic here in the forums.
-Nintendo seems like they want to evolve but they don't know how. They're still sticking to their kiddie consoles that I was forced to leave behind years ago. Yet, they're trying to dip their toes into the neighbor's pool without leaving the safety of their own home. So if they wanna enter the social gaming race, that's fine. I just hope they're ready for all the whiny 12 year olds we have in games like CoD that will invade their console.
If they wanna reach those PS3 and 360 users, they're still not quite there yet. They need to give me a reason to want to buy CoD or AC or whatever for their console as opposed to playing it with a comfortable controller while feeling like I'm part of the game with the uninterrupted action and while sitting comfortably on my couch.
If they wanna keep their casual audience, they're gonna have to work on their social network. I can't possibly imagine some grandparents or kids taking advantage, or even liking, the idea of being connected to a mass forum 24/7, exposed to whatever the heck's gonna go down there.
I, too, hate to hate on a console that's not even out yet. And part of me is curious anyway. I want Nintendo to prove me wrong. But I can't shake that feeling off. You worry me, Nintendo. You're like that one friend we all have that never manages to move out of their parent's basement.
I, too, don't wanna hate on Nintendo because deep down, I still like them. Hell, they introduced me to gaming and I like to buy their home consoles just for shits and giggles.
When the Wii came out, I was skeptical as to how the motion controllers were gonna work out but...I guess for the most part, I was sold on them, years after they were released, of course.
But this new console is just being gimmicky, not innovative. See, the Wii was welcomed because it had innovative and inviting ideas: It forced you to get off your lazy ass, it added the "Random mini-games for the whole family" idea, and so on. I said before and I'll say it again: This console is a step backwards from whatever they've accomplished with the Wii because:
-The huge controller is the exact opposite of the Wiimote. While the Wiimote was tough to get used to at first, it literally made you part of the game. Raising your Wiimote and aiming it to the sky as you retrieve the Master Sword was a great moment I'll never forget. But now games have to find a way to incorporate that brick of a controller into their gameplay.
-Peeling your eyes off the screen, even for just a second, is never a good idea when you're playing. Like that guy said, it's not about timing it right or knowing when to access your menu. This is why most games give you shortcut keys/buttons to everything. You know how when you're playing online, you try to never pause the game even if you have to? Yeah, it's kinda like that. Only all the time. I know this wouldn't always be the case. But again, developers will HAVE to find a way to make that work for their games because, well damn, it's already there!
-The lack of privacy and being connected all the time is also a horrible idea, especially for a console aimed towards kids and families. Leave that to more "hardcore" gamers. (I hate that word but you know what I mean). This is something that I like about my 360 that my PS3 doesn't have. See, with the 360, you can chat with anyone no matter what game they're playing and you can see what they're doing. Don't feel like giving your location away? Just set it to Appear Offline. But the WiiU will make it so that you're always online. You can't just have your friends added, you gotta have the ENTIRE universe. It's as if I wanted to text my friend but instead, I decided to create a topic here in the forums.
-Nintendo seems like they want to evolve but they don't know how. They're still sticking to their kiddie consoles that I was forced to leave behind years ago. Yet, they're trying to dip their toes into the neighbor's pool without leaving the safety of their own home. So if they wanna enter the social gaming race, that's fine. I just hope they're ready for all the whiny 12 year olds we have in games like CoD that will invade their console.
If they wanna reach those PS3 and 360 users, they're still not quite there yet. They need to give me a reason to want to buy CoD or AC or whatever for their console as opposed to playing it with a comfortable controller while feeling like I'm part of the game with the uninterrupted action and while sitting comfortably on my couch.
If they wanna keep their casual audience, they're gonna have to work on their social network. I can't possibly imagine some grandparents or kids taking advantage, or even liking, the idea of being connected to a mass forum 24/7, exposed to whatever the heck's gonna go down there.
I, too, hate to hate on a console that's not even out yet. And part of me is curious anyway. I want Nintendo to prove me wrong. But I can't shake that feeling off. You worry me, Nintendo. You're like that one friend we all have that never manages to move out of their parent's basement.
Don't you dare remind me of this fact! 90s gaming never went away... it's still here.... it's still here!omicron1 said:
.... ;_;
That point he made about that isn't right, considering that stuff like that will always happen with social sections of gaming consoles. And like it has been dealt with with all the stupid crap people spread around Xbox Live, if they do stuff like that that is not allowed, they will be locked out of the account that they did it with and will have to create a new account.Revnak said:
That is one of the big problems with most of the guy's article, he is acting like some extremely anti-social shut-in that is pissed that his favorite console company is finally evolving in the direction that all others are, in that gaming is no longer something that anti-social people do, in the dark, in a basement where nobody can see them, in case people might think they are weird.
I rank that up there in the silliness of the people that whine about motion controls or 3D, that they are fads and/or that they will be the death of "true" gaming.
People need to just take it easy and only worry about things that are actual problems.
Ha. Tell that to our politicians, news reporters, journalists, world leaders...every single person on Earth, pretty much.Sonic Doctor said:
Everyone and their mother already has a wiimote though, a wiimote that is still compatible with the wiiU console. Nintendo don't need to cover that one again.Beautiful End said:
Being the contrary that I am, I much prefer the idea of this new controller than the wiimote. Waving like a fool in front of the TV isn't for me. The only misgiving is that it seems a little uncomfortable in the hand to me, but I need to hold one first before I judge.
Sofar I see the controller screen being used mostly for inventories in the presentations. A glance at your hands, is much better than an inventory menu covering your view of the game world.
I can see this thing working. I'm not sure it's worth the expense and the burden on the controller, but developers should be able to put it to good use, ala DS at the very least.
You most likely CAN appear offline. I doubt they'll forget such a simple feature, even if it isn't a part of Nintendo's presentations. Even if not, then you could always unplug the network cable.
Nintendo may simply not be catering to you. I made the same mistake when dismissing the wii before launch.
10 times out of 10, when I visit a family with young kids, when those kids are playing on a console it is a wii. The mum is comfortable with the thing in the house and the games on it.
Those kids grow up with Nintendo.
Those kids are growing older and their next console is likely to be a wiiU. They are soon getting a more serious controller. They'll get grittier games. It all seems tailored for the new blood that now has a little more gaming experience thanks to Nintendo.
It seems that Nintendo are trying to push Sony and MS into the smaller, expensive upper market and take the mainstream for themselves.
They already control the cheaper, lower market: those casuals and families with small kids. Sure M$ sold a couple million Kinects, but they are far, far behind.
I reckon N could succeed.
1 They have the younger generation.
2 They are launching before the competition.
3 The WiiU will most likely be the cheapest box of this next gen.
4 N are the only party doing any innovation beyond prettier visuals.
5 The differences in visual fidelity appear to matter less and less.
6 N appear to be fixing their 3rd party support this time round.
But it does kind of defy the point of having two screens when you have to do this:j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
WHY!?!?! This is a gimmick, saying you have to look down at a screen. Just put it up on the main screen! It's arbitrary to use the controller-screen, simply because they have to use it. Except of course using that screen will just drain controller battery life and rendering ability of the machine.
This crappy touchscreen (and it is crappy, resistive stylus based touch screens are cheap and 1990's era tech) has such limited and gimmicky use. The D-pad is a much more effective way of selecting items in Arkham City than a touchscreen.
Two-screen juggling is the worst way to create tension in a Survival Horror genre game, as it is limiting the game by controls rather than by genuine circumstance. Couldn't ZombieU be on ANY system but just have a button to cycle between menu which doesn't pause the gameplay. Resident Evil 5 did that on one screen, a menu that popped up but didn't pause gameplay. You don't need to shove a screen into a controller to do that.
PC has had dual screen gaming for a while now, most high end graphics card have dual video output but no developer - not even an indie developer - has done anything with this as it would be a gimmick. Things are all on one screen for good reason, it's a matter of design when it come to player focus.
the way you have written this makes it seem as though there won't be any kids down the line who might take up Nintendo's fanbase mantle after the adults who were and still are fans have gone onomicron1 said:
the same can be said of any of the current consoles, both have good graphics but very little in terms of a wide variety of game selection and only target a small percentage of the potential market, mostly shooters, racing games, and sports games
and the whole "gimmicky" thing is just wrong - everything new is considered a gimmick until it is proven it works, the Wii has shown this already, the same can be said for books, the radio, television, and the computer
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its a cracked articles.
same people that gave us 'top 5 real life people that make Rambo look like a pussy' and 'top 5 reasons Bowser is the most successful villain'
i don't take anything they say seirusly
its a cracked articles.
same people that gave us 'top 5 real life people that make Rambo look like a pussy' and 'top 5 reasons Bowser is the most successful villain'
i don't take anything they say seirusly
Ugh, John Cheese. I've always found his preachy "I used to be a wino, now I'm just a whino"-articles some of the very worst on that website. Then I kinda liked his Diablo 3 thing. And then he pissed me off again with that "video game things we're just gonna have to get over". And now this shit. I mean, for every good point he raises, he misses about 3.
I mean, ffs, one day he gets his panties in a bunch, the next he says we just have to bend over, then he froths at the mouth again. I know he's a comedy writer (apparently) but even they need some kind of credibility. I don't know where this guy stands.
Anyway, I think he's just trollin' for page hits.
Concerning Nintendo's plans: we're just going to have to wait and see, I guess. Nintendo tends to have its launch titles go overboard with all the gimmicky stuff, but later titles usually have pretty normal control schemes. And as for the whol "automatic social" thing (dreadfully scary words), I'm sure you'll be able to turn that off. No one would be that stupid.
I mean, ffs, one day he gets his panties in a bunch, the next he says we just have to bend over, then he froths at the mouth again. I know he's a comedy writer (apparently) but even they need some kind of credibility. I don't know where this guy stands.
Anyway, I think he's just trollin' for page hits.
Concerning Nintendo's plans: we're just going to have to wait and see, I guess. Nintendo tends to have its launch titles go overboard with all the gimmicky stuff, but later titles usually have pretty normal control schemes. And as for the whol "automatic social" thing (dreadfully scary words), I'm sure you'll be able to turn that off. No one would be that stupid.
Surely you could just avoid the penises if you didn't want them?ReservoirAngel said:
thing. That might be an issue. Might.
But really, most of my dismissal of this article could just be that around E3 tends to be when I'm at my most Nintendo-fanboy-ish. So take my opinion for what it's worth.
Nintendo could sell you some kind of penis-filter for 500 points or w/e and millions would buy it for some reason/endcrazyidea.
OT: Meh? Wii U could be good, I'll see in 3 years when it's cheapish and has a library worth noting.
i don't care about social networking or talking to other online via game consoles, so why should I really care?
I like cracked. About a quarter of their articles are very interesting and funny, and the other 75% are usually at least well written, even if the topic is boring. Yeah they sometimes make shit like this but with user submitted content what did you excpect?
Not sure I need to as long as arguments like "It will run better" are made.Matthew94 said:
Also, calling controls a non-issue is pretty ridiculous, especially since the argument has already been made for why it IS an issue. So again, is your argument basically just "Nuh uh!" or do you have any substance?
And we're going to get the same here. Which makes your argument that the games will look and run better (automatically) kind of amusing.Matthew94 said:
First of all, it is from Cracked, but it was not a very good article. Secondly, obviously Nintendo is doing something right, as they dominate the market in sales. Do I wish their systems had better games? Sure, but I like a lot of what they do have. I don't complain when they come out with new Zelda and Mario, because the games are usually pretty solid and I do like them. It is what I grew up on, and they haven't totally bastardized them.