Critic Accuses Prince of Persia of "Whitewashing"

Canid117

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It's not like they are having Mickey Rooney play a stereotypical Asian landlord...

Anyone remember The Forbidden Kingdom? Now that was a case of blatant white washing that annoyed me to no end. Every time I was having fun watching Jet Lee and Jackie Chan do their thing and be awesome while doing it, boom! a damn 15 year old white kid shows up and ruins the moment.
 

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Do you know that's the first thing I thought when I heard about the casting...he is supposed to be the prince of PERSIA!

Sigh...can't have a positive portrayal of an Arab in a major motion picture perhaps? ;-)
 

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While The Last Airbender has some actors of considerably questionable ethnicity, I never saw it as a problem that the Prince of Persia is Caucasian. With the dark hair and beard he pulls off the role very well, at least from what I've seen. It's a pretty far cry from "the Prince of Persia is racist!"
 

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Well I think its racist that Mr. Dar thinks a white actor can't act in a persian role. I mean Samuel L. Jackson does a pretty good job at being this guy:


And also:
Cheesebob said:
Isn't the Prince white in the games?
This?


rembrandtqeinstein said:
Prince of Persia was miscast but not because of whiteness...it was miscast because the lead should have been David Belle http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1042642/

Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x98jCBnWO8w (if someone can tell me how to embed the video I would appreciate it)

David Belle IS the prince in real life. If you haven't already see B13, IMO the best action movie of the 00s
To embed the vid:
Type: [ youtube=x98jCBnWO8w ] without the spaces. the numbers after the = are the same as the ones after the = in the original URL

EDIT: I only watched the first 2 minutes but that guy is parkour king
 

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I normally don't care so much about such ethnic issues but I did consider it in this case the first time I saw the previews...

...Prince of PERSIA is white... huh.

Spacefly said:
Well I think its racist that Mr. Dar thinks a white actor can't act in a persian role. I mean Samuel L. Jackson does a pretty good job at being this guy:
Samuel L Jackson's Nick Furry is based off the Ultimate Marvel version, which itself is based off L Jackson.
 

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Grr I hate the wording of the people complaining in this article so much;

Cusasian: an INCREDIBLY obsolete racial term, you may as well call a black person "negroid" it is also misrepresentative, the region of the Caucasus has no significance in the origins of the lighter skin tones. The term people are struggling for is: Racially Northern European

(It means nothing to say Jake is from Los Angeles, the NATIVES of that region (racially) are American Indians. Jake is racially European the majority of the population of the United States is, though Los Angeles is now what... 35-40% Hispanic? More relevant to mention that his last name, Gylenhaal, is distinctly Swedish)

Persian: Also, not a fucking race. It is an ancient country and/or empire that encompasses DOZENS of different highly distinct races, including many of fair skin and light eyes.

Whitewash: means something completely different in the UK, nothing to do with race, it means a coverage or analysis of an incident which covers up (usually through tactful language) the causes and responsibility of problems to protect favoured individuals. So if this guy just invented that terms maybe he should google it first to check if some people aren't already using it.

Who gives a fuck about race anyway? Especially about something as anal as the INCREDIBLY SUBTLE differences between Europeans and Middle Easterns. It's not like the difference between Sub Saharan or East Asians. Show me the middle eastern actor who REALLY wanted that role and could have done it but was turned away because the director was racist.

I think people should rather be asking why the film was so fucking boring than whether Jake Gylenhaal looked Middle Eastern enough.
 

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Generic_Dave said:
Sigh...can't have a positive portrayal of an Arab in a major motion picture perhaps? ;-)
Mcface said:
It's dumb, but so is casting the whitest man in the world to play a Persian.
Good to see that people never read these threads.

Me and another person have already explained the very relevant historical reason for an ancient Persian prince being played by a white actor.
 

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It's dumb, but so is casting the whitest man in the world to play a Persian.
 

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Stabby Joe said:
I normally don't care so much about such ethnic issues but I did consider it in this case the first time I saw the previews...

...Prince of PERSIA is white... huh.

Spacefly said:
Well I think its racist that Mr. Dar thinks a white actor can't act in a persian role. I mean Samuel L. Jackson does a pretty good job at being this guy:
Samuel L Jackson's Nick Furry is based off the Ultimate Marvel version, which itself is based off L Jackson.
Oh right... I didn't know that but there are other examples, that was just an extreme example I thought of straight away because of Iron Man 2
 

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Jesus Christ, people! This has been going on since... erm, well, Jesus Christ!

Seriously, the Anglicanization of Jesus (a Jew, after all) has been happening since the Dark Ages. It's called 'playing to your audience'.

And to be honest, I don't see how this is deletorious to the Persians. If it were a historical reenactment, you could (and should) argue that, for authenticity's sake, the races should be properly represented (stipulating that that might not even change things, as noted above in this thread); however, this is a mindless, popcorn action-fest with ZERO to do with actual events. In fact, my understanding is that- other than the setting- there isn't much 'Persian' about it. Could be wrong tho, since I haven't read up on the movie. Besides, it's not like Iran would've gotten a cut of the actor's salary if he was Persian, or that most people even realize that 'Persia' and 'Iran' are interchangable. I'm sure if you asked your average schmo standing in line for the film what 'Persia' was, they would say "some empire back in Roman times" or "somewhere out in the Middle East", rather than being able to provide accurate information.

Sad? Kinda, I suppose. But all and all, a tempest in a teapot.
 

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I hate it when critics undermine a movie on something so little. It was a good movie.


Not exactly the most persian looking character, is he?
 

Jared

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Seems s little nit picking to me...as long as ge can play the role I don't care
 

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Exterminas said:
I can understand the issue, thougth of it myself actually, and remember there was a similar story up, back when it was announced that ben kingsley would play ghandi. I think it depends on the actor, which means that gillenhal is under the pressure of delivering a great performance to justify his ethnicy.
Well said. Would it be ideal for a Persian actor to play the Prince? Absolutely. And as soon as you can find one that's a household name, I'm sure Hollywood would be more than happy to cast him in a movie it considers important enough to kick off the summer theater season. (Not sure if folks outside the US know this, but Memorial day weekend - this coming weekend - is considered the "official" beginning of summer.)

Making a videogame movie is a big financial risk to begin with. They're not going to cast an unknown in the lead role, too. Not for a Disney property.
 

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Jordan Mechner (born 4 June 1964)[1] is an American video game designer, screenwriter, author, and filmmaker, best known for creating the Prince of Persia video game franchise.
Independent film maker can stuff it-- game creator is a white american and as such can cast whomever he wants.
 

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Well my thoughts are more or less along these lines:

#1: Why is this only a factor when it's a white guy taking the role(s)? Let's be honest over the years we've seen situations where we've replaced Marvel Comic's "Kingpin of Crime" and DC Comic's "Harvey Dent" with black guys, and very few people made serious complaints other comic purists who wanted the characters to be more like the comic originals. The most recent example of this that I can think of off the top of my head was again from a comic movie series, where people have been casting Samual L. Jackson as "Nick Fury" in most of the current marvel movies.

Yes, things were said, but not on this level. Truthfully I would have preferred a casting more true to the characters in question, especially when it came to "The Kingpin" who is mockingly called "Cue Ball" in the comics by certain characters, but overall it wasn't the deal breaker, even when the movie itself was pretty bad.

Another pretty recent example was when they decided to cast the Korean pop star "Rain" as the lead in the movie "Ninja Assasin". I asked a few questions about this because I thought it was a little odd given that the Japanese and Koreans were not known to get on especially well and I had wondered if this was going to be an integral part of the movie with all of the hype about a "Korean pop sensation", but nope, he was playing a Japanese guy. Nobody really cared, including me, I was just wondering because I thought it might have added some depth to an otherwise shallow seeming movie (which I have yet to see).


#2: I can't think of any Persian actors on this level off the top of my head, never mind any who could carry this role. What's more it should be noted that the guy playing the role looks the part of the character from the game, and I vaguely remember the prince was even blonde in the very first game... (going waaay back)

It's sort of like saying that Triple-H should play "Thor". Honestly, I think he looks the part of the comic book character pretty much perfectly (and I'm saying this without being a fan, or really following pro-wrestling), but as people point out "can he act?". I suppose a good movie producer could send him to get acting lessons, and train him for the part, but it would be a craps shoot as to whether a good movie could be produced... casting a Persian guy who looks like the video game character, should one be found, and then training him to (hopefully) act, would be even more of a craps shoot because he wouldn't even come with the name recognition of "Triple H"... which would have people flocking to see the movie just because it's him, and people defending him even if his acting was akin to an old Steve Reeves Herculese movie (at a time when looking the part was more important than acting, as odd as it is I sort of feel he WAS Hercules physically, he just couldn't really act).
 

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Andy Chalk said:
"It's not only insulting to Persians, it's also insulting to white people. It's saying white people can't enjoy movies unless the protagonist is white."
I think that's ridiculous. I get what he means, Hollywood (like games) often chooses to cast a grizzedly handsome white 20-30s guy as the lead, but as long as he's qualified it's okay with me. If anything, I think the attention to race is making the matter worst.

If an actor is good at portraying a role it doesn't matter what race or gender he/she is. It's like the portrayal's in 'I'm Not There'. Bob Dylan was played by mixed race and mixed gender actors, just so happened that a woman played him best. That's true acting. As long as you fit the part, who cares?
 

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Why are people complaining about him being white he looks alot like the character from the game and isnt that the intent, really chill the hell out its called acting
 

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It's based off a game that's loosely based on Persia with English accets made
by French people. It's not trying to be very accuret.
 

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Is this really a big deal? Okay, yes, it is kind of stupid to cast white people into non-white roles, but really does it really matter as long as the movie is at least entertaining or not? People are judging movies on being shit or not for the most retarded and blatant reasons I can possibly fathom. "Ooohhh! Inglorious Basterds sucked because there were too much subtitles!" Bull. Just bull. If you judge the actual movie's quality over these kinds of petty things, and even say that its "insulting" because of said petty excuses, then you are pretty sad.