Criticism of Anime and Manga
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you clearly aren't looking very hard for unique artwork. several series will stick to a similar artstyle but anything by studio bones is the anime style perfected.
here is one of the intro to one of their shows.
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and the entire show holds up to that quality.
if you want a very new style for anime try Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt (because I can't stop recommending the damn show) which is done mostly in a dexter's lab/invader zim animation style, which switches to traditional anime (for fights), mo'e (for anything cutsy that may happen), dark comics (for comedic effect), live action models of monsters (when a monster is killed), highly detailed anime (for a depressing city) and a recent episode switched to south park's animation style for no real reason. The show is fairly immature and vulgar but the style is just mind-blowing at times.
here is one of the intro to one of their shows.
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and the entire show holds up to that quality.
if you want a very new style for anime try Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt (because I can't stop recommending the damn show) which is done mostly in a dexter's lab/invader zim animation style, which switches to traditional anime (for fights), mo'e (for anything cutsy that may happen), dark comics (for comedic effect), live action models of monsters (when a monster is killed), highly detailed anime (for a depressing city) and a recent episode switched to south park's animation style for no real reason. The show is fairly immature and vulgar but the style is just mind-blowing at times.
You obviously haven't watched very much anime.KissofKetchup said:
I'm not sure what to say. Look closer? The differences are obvious. In each of them.
Have everyone make styles that are completely ugly and made with no intention to abide by any rules of human anatomy. That in itself has ironically become completely unoriginal.
Either that or make a show with an art style that's similar to the classic looney tunes.
Plus, almost every time there IS a show with some sort of attention to human anatomy, it's very remniscent of batman's artstyle from his show in the 90's.
If you think anime from that time period look anything like shows made this day and age, I give up on you.
I'm sorry, but it sounds like you're biased against it and haven't seen very much anime at all.
I haven't much more to say, because I shouldn't have to.
Big O looks nothing like Sora no Otoshimono, which looks nothing like Dead Leaves, which also looks nothing like Panty and Stocking, which we can both agree looks nothing like the Mario anime.
*shrug*
Lack of different art styles????? Berserk, Blade of the Immortal, Vampire Hunter D, House of Five Leaves, Pluto, Evangelion, GetBackers, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Vagabond, Hellsing, Houshin Engi, Legal Drug, Basilisk, there are TONS of styles that vary.
Usually I'm one to take the piss out of my own sub-cultures due to their conceit, but I will also NOT tolerate borderline bigotry against them. Moviebob once said that otaku shouldn't act like they're animation experts just because they're into anime. Well here's me modifying that statement. If you're going to criticize anime, at LEAST READ SOME STUFF BEYOND SHOUNEN JUMP!!!! There's more stuff out there than One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach (all having spiralled downhill fittingly enough)
Usually I'm one to take the piss out of my own sub-cultures due to their conceit, but I will also NOT tolerate borderline bigotry against them. Moviebob once said that otaku shouldn't act like they're animation experts just because they're into anime. Well here's me modifying that statement. If you're going to criticize anime, at LEAST READ SOME STUFF BEYOND SHOUNEN JUMP!!!! There's more stuff out there than One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach (all having spiralled downhill fittingly enough)
I guess my point is that those two pictures that you have produced are more closely related than the Looney Tunes and Spongebob.NeutralDrow said:
And actually, I lucked out. I don't have that image on my computer at the moment.Aby_Z said:
My browser just remembers the url from when I uploaded it to Imageshack...
Heh, didn't take long for it to show up. I dunno, it just seems sorta pointless posting that picture up when someone says that the art style of Astro Boy is the same as the art style of most anime today.Aby_Z said:
Heh, he didn't just post the image up though. He also said pretty much the same thing as the OP in this thread, while referring to the picture to back him up. It's just that some users here are incredibly stupid and couldn't detect the obvious sarcasm, coming from someone with an anime avatar no less, and the thread turned nasty.NeutralDrow said:
Pretty funny thread that was.
Like with anything, most anime and manga is rubbish and unoriginal. But some of it is good. I don't tend to focus on things like art style and stuff like that - only the story really matters to me.
And yes, the majority of anime and manga story lines are terrible. Take the two most popular ones today - Bleach and Naruto: They're clichéd, stereotypical and in the end, the main hero always wins. There's no real tension to anything. If a character is going to die, it'll usually be either 1) An unpopular character or 2) their demise will be telegraphed at least 10 chapters before hand, so it's not shocking in the least. I mean, generally once a villain or character reveals their backstory in a chapter, you can be reasonably sure they're gonna get the axe in the next chapter.
But not all anime/manga is like Bleach or Naruto. Trigun (the manga) is great. It's really, really, really good. Full Metal Alchemist (again, the Manga) is also excellent, and I seriously advise people to read those two before criticising all of anime or manga. Trigun and FMA weren't without their problems or clichéd moments, but on the whole they had a solid story with a solid narrative and good characters. Generally speaking that is - Trigun did have an impossible villain who could fire magic metal nails out of a briefcase that was smaller than the nails being fired (so where were the nails stored and how did they fit? It makes no sense. And the "tension" of FMA was somewhat diminished - you knew that the good guys would win. Sorry if you think that's a spoiler, but come on - did any of you ever really think the bad guys would win? Be honest.
And yes, the majority of anime and manga story lines are terrible. Take the two most popular ones today - Bleach and Naruto: They're clichéd, stereotypical and in the end, the main hero always wins. There's no real tension to anything. If a character is going to die, it'll usually be either 1) An unpopular character or 2) their demise will be telegraphed at least 10 chapters before hand, so it's not shocking in the least. I mean, generally once a villain or character reveals their backstory in a chapter, you can be reasonably sure they're gonna get the axe in the next chapter.
But not all anime/manga is like Bleach or Naruto. Trigun (the manga) is great. It's really, really, really good. Full Metal Alchemist (again, the Manga) is also excellent, and I seriously advise people to read those two before criticising all of anime or manga. Trigun and FMA weren't without their problems or clichéd moments, but on the whole they had a solid story with a solid narrative and good characters. Generally speaking that is - Trigun did have an impossible villain who could fire magic metal nails out of a briefcase that was smaller than the nails being fired (so where were the nails stored and how did they fit? It makes no sense. And the "tension" of FMA was somewhat diminished - you knew that the good guys would win. Sorry if you think that's a spoiler, but come on - did any of you ever really think the bad guys would win? Be honest.
Fixed for you. (I think)Aby_Z said:
Man, that's funny. You've done absolutely no research. There's a picture that proves you completely wrong with this, but I don't have it on this computer right now. I'm sure someone else will post it, though.
Seriously.Steppin Razor said:I'm pretty sure that picture isn't necessary with a brilliant line like this in the OP, "Looking at Astro Boy, the first really successful anime series, the style looks almost identical to anime series today like One-Piece or Bleach."Aby_Z said:
OP suffers from blindness?
When i read that, i did a double take and had to check my eyes.
Almost exactly. Wonderful job!Super Toast said:Fixed for you. (I think)Aby_Z said:
Man, that's funny. You've done absolutely no research. There's a picture that proves you completely wrong with this, but I don't have it on this computer right now. I'm sure someone else will post it, though.
Is animation style really the most important thing when telling a story? I'd focus more on writing or character development personally. Saying you don't like something because the art style isn't different enough seems like a very weak argument to me.KissofKetchup said:
I dont even know how you can say American Toons changed all that much since the fifties and not say the same about anime.
If anyhitng, the back drops just got a bit more touched up and the pictures drawings got crisper for american cartoons. you can always seem the same style.
for example, if a character is going it interact with something in the background from the foreground, the BG item in question its different, more there then the rest of the BG. its tired, and visible in all American cartoons.
If anyhitng, the back drops just got a bit more touched up and the pictures drawings got crisper for american cartoons. you can always seem the same style.
for example, if a character is going it interact with something in the background from the foreground, the BG item in question its different, more there then the rest of the BG. its tired, and visible in all American cartoons.